A Prediction - The Leica SL-2 is Coming Soon

Calzone said:
... I wonder if this works the same on say a S1R? From what you are saying it seems so. ...
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... yes, according to the B&H rep. I have found they don't always know what they're talking about, but in this instance I believed him based on information I've obtained elsewhere.

But I've never actually held the S1R camera in my hand and tried it myself.
 
BillBlackwell said:
... yes, according to the B&H rep. I have found they don't always know what they're talking about, but in this instance I believed him based on information I've obtained elsewhere.

But I've never actually held the S1R camera in my hand and tried it myself.
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Bill,

I wonder how true a collaboration. I think it would be wonderful if Leica profiles extended across platforms.

Surely this would encourage sales of lenses for Leica. I wonder how far Leica went to protect their profiles? On one hand it could help lens sales, but might encourage body sales for other manufacturers. Also lenses have a longer production cycle, meaning they have a longer envelope of being produced than camera bodies.

Over the long run it makes sense to build lenses with long production lives, meanwhile camera bodies advance and get upgrades in a shorter cycle. Makes sense to me and is in the spirit of "true collaboration." Leica makes more money on lenses than bodies in this business model.

Other options for camera bodies could extend into more sales of lenses for Leica is a possibility if not greedy.

Eventually I'll get the "smut."

Cal
 
I’ll say it again I checked it out. There are no profiles with the Panasonics. Also no microlenses in the sensor. And a thicker sensor stack.

This is intentional because if it had that all Leica would have to offer for $3000 more is the red sticker.
 
It may be more useful to me to consider getting a used SL with M adapter. It is a very good camera with an excellent EVF. With my M8 and M9, the SL will make a good third camera body.
 
I wonder where did the SL2 having "microlenses being optimized for M lenses" statement come from? Doesn't seem to be explicitly mentioned by Leica anywhere.
 
I watched Hugh Brownstone's (of Three Blind Men and an Elephant fame on YouTube) talk with the man who designed the new lenses for the SL2, and he said the sensor was optimized for the new lenses, not the M's.

But he also explained that the new lenses were designed for 60 line pairs in resolution across the entire frame in testing while the M's are at 40 line pairs, but when you factor in the increase of sensor resolution it somewhat improves the M performance too.

Now if they would just add phase detection AF...

PF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yilmHb7gx10
 
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Wouldnt micro lenses on the SL sensor make it perform worse with the native SL lenses?
If the SL2 actually has them.. because does anyone actually know outside Leica?
We all are just making assumptions.
 
Archlich said:
I wonder where did the SL2 having "microlenses being optimized for M lenses" statement come from? Doesn't seem to be explicitly mentioned by Leica anywhere.
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A,

It was mentioned in a tutorial that was by a Leica Specialist that was about 20 minutes in running. Specifically he pointed out and mentioned especially when using wides. He spoke of a fall off of performance at the edges and corners when using other brands.

It seems the short lens flange to sensor distance of rangefinder lenses, particularly when using wides that these optimized microlenses that optimization is most noticed.

Cal
 
If the SL2 line will make M lenses inferior looking, could this then be the beginning if the end of the Leica M system ?
 
farlymac said:
I watched Hugh Brownstone's (of Three Blind Men and an Elephant fame on YouTube) talk with the man who designed the new lenses for the SL2, and he said the sensor was optimized for the new lenses, not the M's.

But he also explained that the new lenses were designed for 60 line pairs in resolution across the entire frame in testing while the M's are at 40 line pairs, but when you factor in the increase of sensor resolution it somewhat improves the M performance too.

Now if they would just add phase detection AF...

PF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yilmHb7gx10
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I watched that .
No doubt that the SL is to be the new standard for Leica .
The EVF and new lens mount both open up advantages not possible within the design constraints of the M model .
 
raid said:
If the SL2 line will make M lenses inferior looking, could this then be the beginning if the end of the Leica M system ?
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Raid,

The M-lenses are not bad, but a new standard of excellance evidently has been created with the SL2 and the native glass.

Like I have said before the APO lenses are the most highly corrected lenses Leica has ever made. Also who makes APO wides?

The new APO glass is "future-proofed" out 3-4 generations which might mean 100-120 MP sensors.

The Leica "Q" is good for an 80 MP sensor I was told by a Leica representative.

The M-mount has constraints and limitations. The "L" mount is less restricted.

My primitive MM is still a great camera...

Cal
 
I understand what you are saying, Huss and Cal, but reality is that the M Kingdom is being set aside for the L Kingdom by Leica. Canon went through something similar whan they switched away from the FD mount. Not the same, but kinda "similar".

I wonder what is lost when using SL lenses on an M compared with using such lenses on an SL2. It leaves a negative feeling in the end, doesn't it.
 
raid said:
I understand what you are saying, Huss and Cal, but reality is that the M Kingdom is being set aside for the L Kingdom by Leica. Canon went through something similar whan they switched away from the FD mount. Not the same, but kinda "similar".

I wonder what is lost when using SL lenses on an M compared with using such lenses on an SL2. It leaves a negative feeling in the end, doesn't it.
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Raid,

I think if you read some of the Jono Slack "L" lens reviews you will get a feel for the new APO lenses.

I sent you some F2.0 shots from an APO 35 Cron shot on my SL (only 24 MP) and you see this contrast in the in-focus areas that perceived enhanced sharpness. Then there is this wonderful transition with the OOF.

If you look at the complexity of the SL glass, every lens, including the zooms has partial dispersion glass for APO correction. My 50 Lux has some APO correction, but is not marketed as an APO lens.

Also the amount of ASPH elements within a single lens is more than one. I will check but I believe my APO 35 Cron has three ASPH elements.

My "L" lenses are also weatherproofed.

Cal
 
This man works for Leica. Do you expect him to say otherwise?
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He does not only work for Leica, he leads Leica. Just have a look at the interview. I find his explanations as to why Leica would stick with the M system for at least another 10 years quite plausible.
 
Out to Lunch said:
He does not only work for Leica, he leads Leica. Just have a look at the interview. I find his explanations as to why Leica would stick with the M system for at least another 10 years quite plausible.
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I am watching the interview. He stresses the importance of taking photos.
The tolerances of the SL lenses cannot be topped. Very impressive.
 
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