raid
Dad Photographer
Give us your own feelings on each of these three lenses. I may think "have I goofed by not buying the CV 50/1.2?"
or maybe, "is there something special about the CV 50/1.2 or 50/1.1?"
I have the 1.1 but not the 1.2.
"SO- this weekend, I look forward to taking the M9 out with the 50/1.0, 50/1.1, and 50/1.2 Noktons! If I take the M Monochrom, I'll process the DNG files using my Fortran-77 code. Written using the Watcom v2 Fortran-77 Compiler. I've disassembled some older Fortran compilers to correct a couple of bugs in them. I'm comfortable in Fortran."
or maybe, "is there something special about the CV 50/1.2 or 50/1.1?"
I have the 1.1 but not the 1.2.
"SO- this weekend, I look forward to taking the M9 out with the 50/1.0, 50/1.1, and 50/1.2 Noktons! If I take the M Monochrom, I'll process the DNG files using my Fortran-77 code. Written using the Watcom v2 Fortran-77 Compiler. I've disassembled some older Fortran compilers to correct a couple of bugs in them. I'm comfortable in Fortran."
Give us your own feelings on each of these three lenses. I may think "have I goofed by not buying the CV 50/1.2?"
or maybe, "is there something special about the CV 50/1.2 or 50/1.1?"
I have the 1.1 but not the 1.2.
I think you can "get by" with the 50/1.0 and 50/1.1...
Think of the 50/1.0 as a Modern Super-Speed fast and sharp, and the 50/1.1 as a re-issue of a 50/1.0 Noctilux. The 50/1.2- Fast and Sharp, and you have it covered. For me: it uses 52mm filters, I have full sets for my M Monochrom.
Back to C++. Figured out why the GNU compiler refused to allow a string in a struct even though <string> was in the code, must have "using namespace std;" first. But not required for Watcom.
Think of C++ like using a Voigtlander Prominent. You should not set the speed to 1/500th second until after winding the camera. All other speeds, does not matter.
And of course, I have my 50/1.5 Nokton on the Prominent. Might have to bring it along with the adapter for the M9.
raid
Dad Photographer
Since the CV 50/1 already covers "fast and sharp", and hence, the CV 50/1.2 may not be needed. I agree.
The 50/1.5 original Nokton for the Prominent is a great portrait lens. Just sharp enough to render portraits very nicely.
The 50/1.5 original Nokton for the Prominent is a great portrait lens. Just sharp enough to render portraits very nicely.
james.liam
Well-known
Think of the 50/1.0 as a Modern Super-Speed fast and sharp, and the 50/1.1 as a re-issue of a 50/1.0 Noctilux. The 50/1.2- Fast and Sharp..uses 52mm filters,.
Thank you for that clarification! Was wondering where to pigeon hole these seemingly redundant lenses...
Redundancy... Five is Two, Two is One, and One is None. That's it, I am fault-tolerant on Fast Noktons and I have The M8, M9, and M Monochrom to use.
The 50/1.2 focuses to 0.7m By the time I got some good use on mine, the RFF forum software switched over. I need to do a thread on the 50/1.2. By the time things were stable- the 50/1.0 was out and I have one of the first ones.
The 50/1.2 focuses to 0.7m By the time I got some good use on mine, the RFF forum software switched over. I need to do a thread on the 50/1.2. By the time things were stable- the 50/1.0 was out and I have one of the first ones.
james.liam
Well-known
The 50/1.2 focuses to 0.7m By the time I got some good use on mine, the RFF forum software switched over. I need to do a thread on the 50/1.2. By the time things were stable- the 50/1.0 was out and I have one of the first ones.
Was puzzled at how quickly the ƒ/1,2 was replaced by an ƒ/1,0, and why.
Why Cosina replaced the 50/1.2 with an F1.0?
Sometimes you let the Engineers have some fun and let them show what they can do. The 50mm F1.0 has multiple aspheric optics, exotic glass, and a floating element- much like the best that Leica has to offer. Same with the Nikon Z-Mount 50/0.95- Huge! Cosina brings out a 50/1.0 that is smaller and at a fraction of the cost, and has top-notch performance. And NO chips! Avoids the world-wide chip shortage.
Myself- Photography and playing around with lenses is my hobby, Taking apart basket case vintage lenses and leaving them off better than when I got them- it's a tangible accomplishment, relaxing- like people that Knit. Buying a lens like this one- I'm an Engineer, have worked in Optical Sciences for 40+ years, and I just appreciate the work that went into it.
For anyone looking for the "Best Bang for the Buck"- look at the "Mint with Box" 50/1.2 Noktons at $699. Not much more than a clean Canon 50/1.2. Some customers must be trading them in for the "Fastest with the Mostest". My 501/.2 Nokton will not be available!
Want the fastest, high quality optics, built well, focus spot-on out of the box, no fuss, no muss- and don't want to spend over $10,000 on it: This $1800 50mm F1.0 is the one.
And to add: I was puzzled as to why the 50/1.1 Nokton was not an aspherical design. The LTM 50/1.5 is Aspherical, and is a great performer. I came to believe that Mr. K wanted his version of a 50/1.0 Noctilux.
Sometimes you let the Engineers have some fun and let them show what they can do. The 50mm F1.0 has multiple aspheric optics, exotic glass, and a floating element- much like the best that Leica has to offer. Same with the Nikon Z-Mount 50/0.95- Huge! Cosina brings out a 50/1.0 that is smaller and at a fraction of the cost, and has top-notch performance. And NO chips! Avoids the world-wide chip shortage.
Myself- Photography and playing around with lenses is my hobby, Taking apart basket case vintage lenses and leaving them off better than when I got them- it's a tangible accomplishment, relaxing- like people that Knit. Buying a lens like this one- I'm an Engineer, have worked in Optical Sciences for 40+ years, and I just appreciate the work that went into it.
For anyone looking for the "Best Bang for the Buck"- look at the "Mint with Box" 50/1.2 Noktons at $699. Not much more than a clean Canon 50/1.2. Some customers must be trading them in for the "Fastest with the Mostest". My 501/.2 Nokton will not be available!
Want the fastest, high quality optics, built well, focus spot-on out of the box, no fuss, no muss- and don't want to spend over $10,000 on it: This $1800 50mm F1.0 is the one.
And to add: I was puzzled as to why the 50/1.1 Nokton was not an aspherical design. The LTM 50/1.5 is Aspherical, and is a great performer. I came to believe that Mr. K wanted his version of a 50/1.0 Noctilux.
Bill Blackwell
Leica M Shooter
I loved the bokeh produced by the f/1 Noctilux; conversely, I could never get along with the bokeh produced by the f/1.1 Nokton, which is harsh and edgy by comparison (not to mention the focus shift issue). I own the 40mm Nokton f/1.2 and find the bokeh very pleasing. In fact, the only reason I don't own the 50mm f/1.2 is because I already own the 40mm f/1.2, which is supposed to render - if not identically - nearly identically.... Think of the 50/1.0 as a Modern Super-Speed fast and sharp, and the 50/1.1 as a re-issue of a 50/1.0 Noctilux. The 50/1.2- Fast and Sharp, and you have it covered. ...
I sincerely hope you can prove me wrong. Maybe I had bad examples (but three of them?).
Focus shift: I added one strip of copper tape to the RF cam of the 50/1.1 Nokton and 35/1.2 Nokton for use with my M9 and M Monochrom. Figured the lenses were optimized for Bessa film cameras at that time, and know that the CCD required different optimization from the other lenses that I shim. The Copper tape is about 0.08mm, corrects for back-focus. If the Nokton had back-focus at F1.1, will be much worse at F4. Move the focus up a bit, DOF does a better job covering it.
One of the few tripod mounted tests wide-open,
50mm F1.1 Nokton, wide-open on the M Monochrom:
and at F4,
Focus is on the side-entrnce, where the edge meets the wall, of Gunston Hall.
One of the few tripod mounted tests wide-open,
50mm F1.1 Nokton, wide-open on the M Monochrom:
and at F4,
Focus is on the side-entrnce, where the edge meets the wall, of Gunston Hall.
I'm used to Sonnar Focus Shift. The Shift on the Zeiss C-Sonnar 50/1.5 is much more than this lens.
Again- within 10 minutes of having the lens out of the Box almost 12 years ago and testing it on the M8: I added the layer of copper tape.
Nokton 50mm F1.1, close-up.
At F4,
Again- within 10 minutes of having the lens out of the Box almost 12 years ago and testing it on the M8: I added the layer of copper tape.
Nokton 50mm F1.1, close-up.
At F4,
Nokton 50/1.1 Wide-Open on the M9, 1/25th second shutter speed.
Stopped Down, F2.
Tried to pick a shot with busy back-ground, and a quickly focused shot stopped down to F2- I'm riding in the model train.
Over-corrected for spherical aberration, some residual astigmatism: but managed. I've seen a lot worse! Nothing like a Summitar or Helios.
Focus-Shift: Examples here at F1.1, F2, and F4. That would be the worst of it.
Stopped Down, F2.
Tried to pick a shot with busy back-ground, and a quickly focused shot stopped down to F2- I'm riding in the model train.
Over-corrected for spherical aberration, some residual astigmatism: but managed. I've seen a lot worse! Nothing like a Summitar or Helios.
Focus-Shift: Examples here at F1.1, F2, and F4. That would be the worst of it.
I changed the title of this thread as there is a lot of discussion and comparisons with other lenses.
I'll be using the Three Noktons, especially as it is warming up, sun coming out, and getting past Exam Week.
I like these lenses. I don't have to be practical, this is my Hobby, it's a lot cheaper than buying expensive cars, planes, or motorcycles. Takes up less room.
I'll be using the Three Noktons, especially as it is warming up, sun coming out, and getting past Exam Week.
I like these lenses. I don't have to be practical, this is my Hobby, it's a lot cheaper than buying expensive cars, planes, or motorcycles. Takes up less room.
The Voigtlander Nokton 50mm F1.2, wide-open and 1/25th second.
And the Required close-up, wide-open, Fall Foliage Bokeh Shot...
So? What does all this mean?
I will not buy a second 50/1.2 Nokton Mint in Box for $699 even though I have money burning a hole through my Paypal Pocket from my last lens sale AFTER paying for the 50/1.0.
And the Required close-up, wide-open, Fall Foliage Bokeh Shot...
So? What does all this mean?
I will not buy a second 50/1.2 Nokton Mint in Box for $699 even though I have money burning a hole through my Paypal Pocket from my last lens sale AFTER paying for the 50/1.0.
Bill Blackwell
Leica M Shooter
To my eye, the Nokton f/1.2 images are much more pleasing compared to the f/1.1 Nokton.
raid
Dad Photographer
To my eye, the Nokton f/1.2 images are much more pleasing compared to the f/1.1 Nokton.
The 50/1.1 seems to be a copy of an old model noctilux. The 50 1.2 has aspherical elements. It is a sharper lens.
To my eye, the Nokton f/1.2 images are much more pleasing compared to the f/1.1 Nokton.
It is much smoother, aspherical optics reduces the spherical aberration that causes the donuts in the out-of-focus areas.
The 50/1.1 is tame compared with my Canon 50/0.95.
It's tame compared with my Canon 50/1.2. The First 50/1.2 Lens for 35mm Full-Frame.
Canon 50/1.2, wide-open on the M9. This one is from 1957, has perfect glass.
helen.HH
A smile & a wink…
@ Brian:
Wonderful shot of your Daughter and bling with Miss Canon... smooooth !
Wonderful shot of your Daughter and bling with Miss Canon... smooooth !
Bill Blackwell
Leica M Shooter
I have a hard time seeing the relationship between the f/1 Noctilux and f/1.1 Nokton as being equal other than both not having aspherical elements. The signatures are very different to my eyes. The Nokton f/1.2 is indeed sharper than either and - even with it's aspherical elements - has more pleasing bokeh compared to the Nokton f/1.1. At least that's my opinion.The 50/1.1 seems to be a copy of an old model Noctilux. The 50 1.2 has aspherical elements. It is a sharper lens.
Erik van Straten
Mentor
I have a hard time seeing the relationship between the f/1 Noctilux and f/1.1 Nokton as being equal other than both not having aspherical elements. The signatures are very different to my eyes. The Nokton f/1.2 is indeed sharper than either and - even with it's aspherical elements - has more pleasing bokeh compared to the Nokton f/1/1. At least that's my opinion.
In my eyes the Nokton f1.1 is at full aperture the sharpest lens. Brian says - and I agree with him - that the f1.1 is over-corrected for sperical abbaration. The Noctilux 50mm f1 is less sharp, but somehow it creates more powerful images. The images have a strong "plastic" (3D) effect. This may be due to a less strong correction of the spherical abbaration.
Erik.
I did a comparison of the Nikon Df and M Monohcrom for high-ISO noise, and such. Put the Nikkor 50mm F1.2 Ais on the Df and the Nokton 50/1.1 on the Monochrom. Easy to remember which lens was used
Nokton 50/1.1 Wide-Open on the M Monochrom..
Nikkor 50/F1.2 Ais on the Df, wide-open.
All hand-held, tried to duplicate the shots for each camera.
Nokton 50/1.1 Wide-Open on the M Monochrom..
Nikkor 50/F1.2 Ais on the Df, wide-open.
All hand-held, tried to duplicate the shots for each camera.
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