fgianni
Trainee Amateur
I have the Sigma SD14 (identical sensor) and at high ISO, depending on the lighting conditions, it produces some horrible low frequency chroma noise, that is very difficult to handle (not a problem if you privilege B&W).
That said the high ISO noise is really bad compared with DSLRs, the DP1 is still better than any digital compact around, and up to ISO 200 seems to give a run for their money to mid-range DSLRs, only in a package that fits in a shirt pocket.
fergus
Well-known
I actually have no qualms about buying one (as soon as B&H are shipping).
It offers higher quality than my LX1, with a much larger sensor.
It's small enough to have in my pocket everywhere (going to Argentina again this June).
Compared to the cost of an M8 + lens(es), or the size of a d-slr, considering sensor size... I seem to have no choice! (I can afford US$800, but yes that's a little expensive)
No I don't expect perfection, yes I like fixed-lens cameras, and I find the foveon thing kindof interesting.
I just wish LightZone would offer the sigma raw file conversion (they surely will sometime soon).
Cheers...
George.
It offers higher quality than my LX1, with a much larger sensor.
It's small enough to have in my pocket everywhere (going to Argentina again this June).
Compared to the cost of an M8 + lens(es), or the size of a d-slr, considering sensor size... I seem to have no choice! (I can afford US$800, but yes that's a little expensive)
No I don't expect perfection, yes I like fixed-lens cameras, and I find the foveon thing kindof interesting.
I just wish LightZone would offer the sigma raw file conversion (they surely will sometime soon).
Cheers...
George.
retow
Well-known
Same with me. After reading about F4 and 800 ISO max, I thought: "no way". But after having seen many convincing images, albeit on screen only, I simply had to push the preorder button. IQ wise, the DP1 seems to run circles around any small sensor camera. JPEG output and UI does not seem to be on par with the best, though. I guess one can expect the former one to be fixed with a firmware upgrade.
craygc
Well-known
Damn... why did I read this thread will Im still in Tokyo :bang:
jamxo
work in progress
I have to admit it looks very nice. The jpegs on that rytter blog look great, even the iso 800 one of the tap. And the movies look decent with it too, they seem to have narrow depth of field which i havent seen from point and shoots before?
I am a little tempted by this camera..
I am a little tempted by this camera..
squirrel$$$bandit
Mentor
I do see it as a possible digital equivalent of my G1 or Canonet...a good street camera, simple, a few decisions already made for you so you can concentrate on the shot, not the gear. If I want to shoot macro, set up complicated shots, do portraits, or take pictures of an owl on the next block (that last is pretty unlikely for me)...that's what I have a DSLR for.
Anyway, it's the color that I find really stunning. I assume the photographers aren't saturating these photos in PS...they seem to have the qualities that are usually associated with slide film.
Anyway, it's the color that I find really stunning. I assume the photographers aren't saturating these photos in PS...they seem to have the qualities that are usually associated with slide film.
retow
Well-known
Go to Flickr an have a look at the meanwhile many immages. I bet you'll revise your opinion, at leat partly.
bmattock
Mentor
Why do people keep saying this when it is clearly not true? Did you look at the images linked to in this very thread? Have you tried simply running some numbers through DOFMaster? With the larger sensor, the f/4 widest aperture will still produce some nice OOF effects.
I would also have preferred a faster lens. I would have also preferred a longer lens, as 28mm (equiv) is not my cup of tea - I'd have liked something more like 40mm.
The camera is clearly not my idea of a perfect digital street camera. But I am not going to pretend it does not possess characteristics it clearly does.
I notice the 'but the images are no good' critics have mostly shut up now. It was funny listening to them saying that the DP1 photos looked identical to their precious Digital GR cameras, when anyone with a functioning eyeball could see that was a lie. I think we've seen enough stunning images out of the DP1 even this early in the game that even the DP1 haters have to shut their yaps about the image quality.
But still we hear "DOF from here to infinity" when it is provably not true just by going to DOFMaster and plugging in numbers, or simply looking at some of the photos that show the opposite.
Why?
squirrel$$$bandit
Mentor
I do like shooting at f/1.7 a hell of a lot...and 1.4 on my DSLR (Sigma 30mm, in fact, on my Canon). But the DOF is plenty narrow on there, for me.
Unless the reviews are really surprisingly bad, I'm leaning toward giving it a shot. I just spent a week selling random crap I don't use on eBay, and have enough "imaginary" paypal dough to take the plunge.
Unless the reviews are really surprisingly bad, I'm leaning toward giving it a shot. I just spent a week selling random crap I don't use on eBay, and have enough "imaginary" paypal dough to take the plunge.
kross
sonnarism
i've tried the dp1.... i wouldn't waste $$ on it.... totally a non-performer in the noise department....
that is of coz, my very own expectation and view.... i still prefer my fuji f30...
that is of coz, my very own expectation and view.... i still prefer my fuji f30...
SteveM(PA)
Poser
Yeah, they look cool! Movie mode manual focus possible I wonder?
bmattock
Mentor
You can also look at the images others have been posting in this thread, including those that actually show the same shot taken with a standard digicam or a DP1. And you can (again) simply look at DOFMaster and plug in your own numbers. The math doesn't lie.
I'm not getting this irrational insistence on something that is not so.:bang:
mangamonster
Established
Haha, me too. Gotta love the recycling of cameras through ebay to pump up the paypal wallet
I do it quite a bit...good thing is that I usually dont lose money when I resell and one of the few camera's I've actually hung onto is the Ricoh GRD. I have a good feeling about the DP1.squirrel$$$bandit
Mentor
i've tried the dp1.... i wouldn't waste $$ on it.... totally a non-performer in the noise department....
that is of coz, my very own expectation and view.... i still prefer my fuji f30...
I love the f30...it's been my point-n-shoot for a couple of years now. And it's amazing in low light. But outside? On a sunny day? The purple fringing is really bad. I mean, for 200 bucks, you can't beat it, but I think of it as an indoor/macro camera.
It sounds like the DP1 is the exact opposite...great in bright light, poor in low light.
mangamonster
Established
Yup, I've got a f30 too...love it, but my GRD is now it's replacement due to IQ and manual control
And this is exactly how my gear will be setup if the DP1 becomes my love bunny DP1 Dayshots/decent lighting indoor shots (I've seen some pretty darned good low light shots as well..so this may change things)
Ricoh GRD - low light shots, b/w shots