1:1 aspect ratio?

wlewisiii

wlewisiii

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I used to use a lot of 6x6 120 cameras so I got into that format that way. Every so often I get into the mood but as much as I love my Rolleicord III, I don't like the cost of dealing with 120 film. Hence the question: Has anyone tried the 1:1 ratio with it? How well did it work for you if you have? Just curious.

I have been finding myself cropping to that aspect ratio a lot again of late and so I am considering budgeting in a Z5 for use with adapted lenses - especially with my M mount, S mount and manual focus F mount lenses.

Thoughts? Thanks!
 
Haven't shot a Z but I used 1x1 on the GFX50R and my Panasonic S1R. With both of them the RAW file has the full sensor data but the 1x1 crop is automatically shown in LR. The S1R with the Sigma 35mm f1.2 gives almost the same FOV and very slightly shallower DOF as a 80mm f2.8 on 6x6. Good combo is that is the look you are going for.
 
I use 1x1 on my fz1000ii a lot. Just saw Leica have brought out the d-lux 8 which is basically an updated lx100. I hope Panasonic update that this year also as it has a dedicated 1x1 dial. It's m43 but that'll be good enough for me.
 
shawn said:
Haven't shot a Z but I used 1x1 on the GFX50R and my Panasonic S1R. With both of them the RAW file has the full sensor data but the 1x1 crop is automatically shown in LR. The S1R with the Sigma 35mm f1.2 gives almost the same FOV and very slightly shallower DOF as a 80mm f2.8 on 6x6. Good combo is that is the look you are going for.
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Likewise, very happy using 1:1 on S1r and GFX. I’ve also got a rarely used Rolleicord Vb and a more often used Fuji GF667, but I prefer that in 6x7 rather than 6x6.

Shawn and his 35/1.2 make lovely pictures!
 
stephen_lumsden said:
I use 1x1 on my fz1000ii a lot. Just saw Leica have brought out the d-lux 8 which is basically an updated lx100. I hope Panasonic update that this year also as it has a dedicated 1x1 dial. It's m43 but that'll be good enough for me.
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My old LX5 had an aspect ratio ‘dial’, but it went away with a daughter (along with the Pen)
 
I used to use 1:1 on my E-PL1 with a 17/2.8 quite a bit too. The Oly Monochrome jpgs straight OOC were quite good and kept me very happy for a long time.
 
I haven't shot 1:1 on a Z, but have with pretty much every other digital camera I've owned. Love the format and don't see why a Z with MF lenses would be anything but a pleasure. The Z5 has 1:1 crop mode and you'd still have plenty of pixels. I had a Z5 to try out and really enjoyed it.

For square I'm still most partial to Holgas. My only reservation would be an expectation that Z files will be anything like your 120 film, if that matters.

John
 
I often set my Hasselblad 907x to 1:1 format ... it feels natural that way, with the LCD flipped out horizontal as a waist level viewfinder.

I've composed for square with nearly all my cameras over the years. First 'good' camera was a '49 Rolleiflex. :)

G
 
If you are also considering 1:1 for 35mm film (you will get about 53-58 exposures per roll, a decent economy) there's also the following options:
  • Zeiss Ikon Tenax II
  • Zeiss Ikon (East) Taxona Series
  • Mamiya Sketch
  • Bering Robot Star, Royal 24 Series
And perhaps some other options that I am forgetting.
 
The Hasselblad SWC with the amazing Zeiss Biogon 38mm f/4.5 on 6x6cm is one of my all-time favorite cameras ... I've somewhere got a chart of all the focal length to format setups that net the same/similar FoV on square format. I think I remember that for 35mm and FF digital, cropped square, it's a 16mm lens needed. Ah, here it is:

6x6
Width = 56 mm, Length = 56 mm, Diagonal = 79.196 mm
f Hor Vert Diag H/V
38.0 72.7687 72.7687 92.3595 1.0000

35mm FF :: 24x24
Width = 24 mm, Length = 24 mm, Diagonal = 33.9411 mm
f Hor Vert Diag H/V
16.0 73.7398 73.7398 93.3723 1.0000

APS-C :: 16x16
Width = 16 mm, Length = 16 mm, Diagonal = 22.6274 mm
f Hor Vert Diag H/V
11.0 72.0547 72.0547 91.6109 1.0000

FourThirds :: 13x13
Width = 13 mm, Length = 13 mm, Diagonal = 18.3848 mm
f Hor Vert Diag H/V
9.0 71.6753 71.6753 91.2118 1.0000

I sold my last SWC to help fund buying the Hasselblad 907x ... and bought the XCD21mm lens with that camera so I could get the SWC FoV on its 33x33 square crop format. :)

G
 
wlewisiii said:
I used to use a lot of 6x6 120 cameras so I got into that format that way. Every so often I get into the mood but as much as I love my Rolleicord III, I don't like the cost of dealing with 120 film. Hence the question: Has anyone tried the 1:1 ratio with it? How well did it work for you if you have? Just curious.

I have been finding myself cropping to that aspect ratio a lot again of late and so I am considering budgeting in a Z5 for use with adapted lenses - especially with my M mount, S mount and manual focus F mount lenses.

Thoughts? Thanks!
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One can buy an awful lot of 120 film for the price of a Z5...... :unsure:
 
Deardorff38 said:
One can buy an awful lot of 120 film for the price of a Z5...... :unsure:
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About 30 rolls of film with processing. Porta 400 in 120 is $64 for a 5 pack. The Darkroom charges $20 to process and scan it at their highest quality. About $33 for 12 exposures in color.

If you shoot more than 360 images the Z5 is cheaper. (and really less than that as it doesn't include shipping costs)
 
shawn said:
About 30 rolls of film with processing. Porta 400 in 120 is $64 for a 5 pack. The Darkroom charges $20 to process and scan it at their highest quality. About $33 for 12 exposures in color.

If you shoot more than 360 images the Z5 is cheaper. (and really less than that as it doesn't include shipping costs)
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And considering the lower cost of a refurb or used Z5 as well. Film is a nice aesthetic choice if the cost is not an issue.

That's a big if, for me.
 
TenEleven said:
If you are also considering 1:1 for 35mm film (you will get about 53-58 exposures per roll, a decent economy) there's also the following options:
  • Zeiss Ikon Tenax II
  • Zeiss Ikon (East) Taxona Series
  • Mamiya Sketch
  • Bering Robot Star, Royal 24 Series
And perhaps some other options that I am forgetting.
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The Altissa Altix I, II and III are all 24mmx24mm and use 35mm film.

Some of the III's (those with 35mm Row Tegonar lenses) could take interchangeable lenses, but only 35mm and 50mm were made. Their push-on filter/hood size is 21mm. Most of my filters are 25mm (series 4.5) drop-in that fit into kodak 210-250 adapters, but I also have a couple of push-on filters that are 21mm.

It's possible that there is a filter thread on the lens, but it's hard to tell, but if there is one, it's smaller than 17mm because I tried a 17mm UV filter and it was clearly too big.
 
shawn said:
About 30 rolls of film with processing. Porta 400 in 120 is $64 for a 5 pack. The Darkroom charges $20 to process and scan it at their highest quality. About $33 for 12 exposures in color.

If you shoot more than 360 images the Z5 is cheaper. (and really less than that as it doesn't include shipping costs)
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Hmm. I shoot a good bit of Polaroid with my various SX-70 type cameras. That's $23/pack at 8 exposures per pack, or about $2.90 per exposure. The thing is, sometimes I fit a pack of film in the SLR670x and it takes me two weeks to expose all eight prints... where in the same time period, I might make 200 exposures with my Leica M10-M... :D

G
 
shawn said:
About 30 rolls of film with processing. Porta 400 in 120 is $64 for a 5 pack. The Darkroom charges $20 to process and scan it at their highest quality. About $33 for 12 exposures in color.

If you shoot more than 360 images the Z5 is cheaper. (and really less than that as it doesn't include shipping costs)
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Ah....there's still folks who view the world in monochrome & process their own.... :)
 
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