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Old 03-25-2007   #1
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http://photo-muse.blogspot.com/2007/...ork-movie.html

In case some of you hadn't caught it yet



....that's a leica M in his hand, right?
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Old 03-25-2007   #2
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A hand on his M4

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Thanks for that Ash. He's always been Top "Street" Dog in my eyes!
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Old 03-25-2007   #5
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That was worth watching. I'm fascinated by his mannerisms - he had this neat trick of bringing the camera up to his eye and instantly snapping the shot, then whipping the camera up and away as if he had changed his mind about taking the shot.
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He's probably the quintessential street shooter....but...I think that a photograph can be narrative.

Subject for a deep psych thread?

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Thanks for that link Ash. Ive never seen him at work or heard him speak before. Anyone else notice he doesnt seem to have a camera strap?
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Thanks for posting that, it was great to see. I love his work, and seeing him in action is inspiring. It appears almost effortless to him. Also, I've never wanted an M so badly. It's practically invisible in his hand.
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WOW! Now thats street shooting. Talk about quick with the camera. Anyone know anything about his technique?
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Ash, you're my hero. Thanks for finding and posting this!

edit: linked it to my blog too.
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Excellent! Excellent!

He was a god, I like his philosophy, so much more humble than alot of the modern day ilk.

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He sure took some interesting photos with a pre-asph canon lens. His book 'The Animals' has always made me chuckle and smile.
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That was worth watching. I'm fascinated by his mannerisms - he had this neat trick of bringing the camera up to his eye and instantly snapping the shot, then whipping the camera up and away as if he had changed his mind about taking the shot.
I read a Meyerowitz interview (I think in Winogrand's Figments ' ) book, and he described that mannerism, so it was neat to see. Also of note, he's left-eyed.


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Thanks for the link. Loved it!
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Very interesting video, really cool to see how he worked while shooting.
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Old 03-25-2007   #16
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Thanks Ash, great video. I saw it with my girlfriend the other day (somebody posted a different link to the same video) and we both chuckled when we saw his mannerism. You could see though it worked, he took a few photos of crossing pedestrians point blank, and they weren't sure, they were looking at each other in disbelief ('What the?...did he? didn't he?').

The way he took photos also explains his choice of wide-angle lens. Hyperfocal at f11-16 under the strong Californian sunlight, and shooting at close range. It made me wonder if I need a 28mm lens after all. (why does everything have to lead to GAS )

I also liked him a lot as a person, he seemed easygoing and fun ('mad scientist' is what my girlfriend said he looked like) and his commentary on his own work was very interesting, but this was a person who obviously preferred to do photography rather than talk about it. His behaviourist philosophy about photos capturing the surface of reality, (which, according to him, is all there is to it) or about them not having a narrative but only a straightforward descriptive, ostentive function was also very revealing about the man. And the bit I agree most with him is that you really cannot outdo the theatricality that people provide for you in their everyday lives.

It was certainly educational, even a little rivetting to watch him at work - and I can tell you, the day I watched it, I went out to shoot with a slightly different mentality.
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i think he would have liked the hexar rf.
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Don't thank me, thank the guy who owns the blog. He's a member on LFPF, so I stole the link from his post about it.

Thought you all might like it.

In all honesty when I'm shooting, I shoot a lot like winogrand, but with less chatter about it. Often focus and take the shot or move the camera to some angle (but not so tilted.. well except for Gun Shop shot!) to catch people without them reacting.

But hey, Wino is the hero, I'm just Ash
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"Anyone else notice he doesnt seem to have a camera strap?"
Aha, I watched it again after reading your comment and you are partly right. The first time we see him out on the street he has an M4 with a thin brown leather strap around his neck, which I didn't notice first time around. When we see him out on the street the second time he must be using another M4 as it does indeed not have a strap. all the same his "camera action" is pretty fluid.
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Old 03-26-2007   #20
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I too found this video fascinating. I decided the external 28mm finder really helped him be quick.

I also liked the sort of crazy answer he gave ("Just trying to survive") to somebody who challenged him ("What's up? What's up?). This strategy is brilliant (unless the questioner is with law enforcement).

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Don't thank me, thank the guy who owns the blog. He's a member on LFPF, so I stole the link from his post about it.
Nonetheless, you still rock for cluing us all in over here. Thanks very much.


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I wanna try taking street shots with this though..




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...you still rock for cluing us all in over here. Thanks very much.
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I think he would probably have liked a high end digi point and shoot. He probably would have disliked RFF!
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I think he would probably have liked a high end digi point and shoot
Seeing the pace of his action I suspect he would'nt have liked shutterlag

BTW: Seeing him jerking around his camera I think all deep and complex theories about Garrys camera tilt are now obsolete. It just happened. He wants to look like he's just playing around - not beeing serious.

Of course later when editing his pictures I'm sure he considered the right amount of tilt, for it is essential for the picture to "grow legs".

...ah yes and... THANKS ASH !!! *bow*

I wonder if it's possible to cature the video, keeping it safe? Anyone knows?
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I wonder if it's possible to cature the video, keeping it safe? Anyone knows?
Sure, no problem. After registering on vimeo.com you can download the video. I did that and now I have it on my iPod. Its audio i one-channel only, I think I'll fix that because the lack of sound in my right ear is a bit annoying.

And yes: Ash, thanks a LOT! Great find indeed!!!
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>i think he would have liked the hexar rf.

I know I do. I've just bought my third and indefinitely shelved my M7.

Thanks Ash for the video link. I have doing some serious history of street photography homework and this fit right in.
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>i think he would have liked the hexar rf.

I know I do. I've just bought my third and indefinitely shelved my M7.

Thanks Ash for the video link. I have doing some serious history of street photography homework and this fit right in.
You've just induced serious hexar gas. I hadn't known much about them and your post made me do a little research. Now I want a hexar RF and AF dammit! I was thinking of an bessa-r2a, but now maybe the hexar would be a better bet, and does so much more, if I can find one.
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>Now I want a hexar RF

The Hexar has gone from a lowly stepchild backup to my M7 to my front line camera. It is a really great camera.

Only a smidge louder then the M7 but having a top speed of 1/4000, the auto-winder, auto-loading/rewinding, self-timer, smaller than the M7 (when I had it fully equipped with the TA Rapidwinder and Grip), and 1/3 the cost of even a USED M7 makes it impossible to beat.

I feel myself slowly being cured of LS (Leica Syndrome) and comfortable in the knowledge that a camera doesn't have to be made by Leica in order to be excellent -- and to (hopefully) take great pictures.
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Ash thanks for this, but does anyone else think that Winogrand came across as slightly "creepy"
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I didn't really think he came across as creepy. Especially compare to Meyerowitz in his street ninja mode.

It was fun to watch him work. I like his attitude very much, and it comes across better on tape than it does in a transcript. It's not the first time I've heard the "there isn't a story, how can a single frame tell a story?" argument, but it's the first time I could accept it (even if I don't agree).

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the Meyerowitz one is funny, he's dressed like the SWAT captain from Hill St Blues...
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Winograd's style is admirable.
Meyerowitz on the otherhand is just wacko in his video. IMHO there are two reasons he does not get beaten up , he does look creepy and in NYC you never know....... and second there are probably two big body guards behind the camera protecting him.....

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Winograd's style is admirable.
Meyerowitz on the otherhand is just wacko in his video. IMHO there are two reasons he does not get beaten up , he does look creepy and in NYC you never know....... and second there are probably two big body guards behind the camera protecting him.....

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Meyerowitz is also very tall. So tall and creepy is actually a safe combination.
A little known fact that HCB was also quite tall(he also stood above the crowd) and yet managed to get blended in the crowd.
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>Winogrand came across as slightly "creepy"

I didn't think so.

>So tall and creepy is actually a safe combination.

Well, I'm 6'5" so I like the "tall" part of getting away with be a street photographer -- but I'm not so sure I like the "creepy" part...

But, seriously, I've never had a problem even in the semi-frequent times when I am noticed.

It looks like I'm in good company, though, when it comes to being tall.
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I got followed around in downtown Tucson a few weeks ago by a very creepy guy with long, dirty hair. I finally turned and confronted him. Turned out he was an undercover cop and was following me not because he thought I was breaking the law but because he couldn't figure out why I was taking pictures of..."anything interesting. Just that guy crossing the street...do you know that guy?"

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I got followed around in downtown Tucson a few weeks ago by a very creepy guy with long, dirty hair. I finally turned and confronted him. Turned out he was an undercover cop and was following me not because he thought I was breaking the law but because he couldn't figure out why I was taking pictures of..."anything interesting. Just that guy crossing the street...do you know that guy?"

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This is funny. I don't know how many times over the years I have had to explain what I am taking a photo of and why. Digital makes it a bit easier as you can show them the photos. People always think that because you are photographing something that it is somehow extraordinary and they want to know what that is. But most walk away shaking their head.

I found it interesting that even with his quiet M4 Winogrand was noticed taking photos quite often. At least in this video. Even with the quietest camera I get noticed often. He didn't seem to worry too much about it and just kept moving. I love his answer to the lady who asks "What's happening" Winogrand says:"I'm surviving and laughs" I gotta try that one.

He probably would have liked the depth of field of the digital compacts. I don't think that he made large prints. Look at the show in the video, most prints look to be A4 or so. Shutter lag would have been the major issue though. You just couldn't comfortably shoot in his style of work with any degree of shutter lag. I have gone through alot of digitals because of this problem.

Anyway, superb post and great video. This type of video is few and far between.
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