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Old 07-09-2006   #1
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FSU lenses 'bokeh' comparisson

Hi,

I wanted to compare my lenses regarding bokeh, and I'd like to share the results with you guys.

The model is my beautiful and beloved girlfriend. She was so nice, and had a lot of patience with me...

I compared the lenses I have at the moment: Industar 61 50mm, Jupiter 8 50mm, another Jupiter 8 with terribly scratched front element, and Jupiter 9 85mm.

I will post the 50mm lenses at each f-stop together, and then the 85.

EDIT: Attached photos were replaced with better color ballanced ones (I used manual expsure setting on my scanner).
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Both Jupiter 8s at f2:

J8 @ f2


for the scratched J-8 see attached image.
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File Type: jpg 15(J8,f2,0).JPG (122.3 KB, 149 views)

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Industar 61, Jupiter 8, and attached is the scratched Jupiter 8 at f2.8

Sorry for different subject distance

I61 @ f2.8


J8 @ f2.8


for the scratched J-8 see attached image.
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File Type: jpg 20(J8x,f2,8).jpg (95.1 KB, 150 views)
File Type: jpg 16(J8,f2,8).JPG (120.1 KB, 127 views)
File Type: jpg 12(I61,f2,8).JPG (112.9 KB, 127 views)

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Industar 61, Jupiter 8, scratched Jupiter 8 at f4

Again, sorry for different subject distance.

I61 @ F4


J8 @ f4
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File Type: jpg 21(J8x,f4).jpg (98.6 KB, 141 views)
File Type: jpg 17(J8,f4).JPG (129.7 KB, 125 views)
File Type: jpg 13(I61,f4,0).JPG (126.9 KB, 128 views)

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Industar 61, Jupiter 8 at f5.6

And sorry for the different subject distance...

I61 @ f5.6


J8 @ f5.6
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File Type: jpg 18(J8,f5,6).JPG (138.9 KB, 124 views)
File Type: jpg 14(I61,f5,6).JPG (128.9 KB, 124 views)

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Now the Jupiter 9:

Set 1
@ f2 (seems incrrectly focussed)

and @ f4



Set 2
@ f2 (again, seems incrrectly focussed)

and @ f4
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File Type: jpg 08(J9,f2).JPG (114.9 KB, 124 views)
File Type: jpg 09(J9,f4).JPG (119.5 KB, 124 views)
File Type: jpg 11(J9,f2).JPG (107.3 KB, 122 views)

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PS: I especially like the scratched J8 at f4 shot (becuse it's so dreamy), and the J9 at f4 (because is's sooo sharp)
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nice job, the last one also looks nice
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your model is indeed beautiful! It must be a pleasure to test your equipment on such a "subject".
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How badly is this Jupiter scratched? I have an Industar 50 on my Zorki with some scratches on it, havent really tested it yet. I know one spot ore scratch doesnt matter much, but the almost new Industar 50 on my zenit seems to be better.
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Old 07-09-2006   #11
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the I- 61 has preformed very nicely.
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This is a great test Spyderman, I like the Jupiter 9 at f4 best. To my eye, the Industar 61 is sharper than the Jupiter 8 but the Jupiter has nicer Bokeh! Which was your favourite?
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brilliant comparison. Much thanks
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I really liked the Industar 61! It has a really nice character to it. It is sharpish, but the way it renders her face is really nice.
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It must be a pleasure to test your equipment on such a "subject".
It surely is

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How badly is this Jupiter scratched?
Imagine giving a lens to a child, to play with it in the sand. That kind of damage is very close to reality. The front element is just like cleaned with sandpaper It's a '61 silver example, and has only 3 (!) aperture blades instead of 9. The rest was removed by previous owner

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Which was your favourite?
I think the Jupiter 85 is an absolutely gorgeous lens. Also very underrated. The shots at f2 were not very satisfying, but at f4 it's just sooo sharp.

I also notices that Sonnar type lenses tend to give out-of-focus highlights with stronger edges when wide open. When stopped down by one stop, the out-of-focus highlights just smoothen out.

The Jupiter 8 has this "classic Sonnar" look of out-of-focus highlights at f2 and f2.8 in corners.
But in the 50mm range I prefer the look of the Industar 61. Already at f2.8 it's so sharp (notice the picture). I like that picture, becuse of the shallow DOF - only her face and some hairs are in focus! Wow!
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I agree the f4 shot on the scratched Jupiter is VERY nice and the J-9 at
f2 and f4 are absolutely great.
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Nice test! Its funny I just did a similar test with my wife as a subject, comparing different lenses. Havent posted it yet though. And those shots with a scratched lens look really good! I got try it on a J-3... or may be not.
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Leica glow! ahahaha. cant resist. 3 aperture blades eh. damn
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Nice tests, thanks for posting.
Do you know if it's the scratches which gives such a large change in the colour rendition of the J8 (scratched) images?
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Definetly impressed with the I61. I never use mine. Anyone ever use them with a Bessa?
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I like both the I61 and Jupiter. I think your "scratched" Jupiter may have also been dropped, kicked, hazed, and fungusized

fwiw, the I61 has some attributes of the rokkor 40/2.
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Definetly impressed with the I61. I never use mine. Anyone ever use them with a Bessa?
The I61 is my "go to" 50mm. I love the sharpness and contrast. I'm waiting to get the first roll shot with my new Jupiter-3 back; we'll see if I still feel the same after that!

The I61 gives great results on my Bessa R. This is one of my favorites with that combo:

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I have 2 or 3 I-61s and all of them are way off with focus on my Bessa R

But I like J-3 and J-8
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[quote=brachal]The I61 is my "go to" 50mm. I love the sharpness and contrast. I'm waiting to get the first roll shot with my new Jupiter-3 back; we'll see if I still feel the same after that!

I'm awaiting my first roll back with my bessa-r and I61. I also just got a j-3 (from Yuri) and I got some shots back yesterday, I only took a few with it, but they came back great. It's a nice lens.

I feel like my I61 is a little softer than the j-3, it has a great feel to it. The j-3 is more versatile. Which I take with me will probably depend on conditions.
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Please, don't scratch your lenses if you want some 'Jupiter glow' Buy a cheap 'softener' or 'cross/star' filter instead, or maybe make your own by scratching a cheap UV

On the other hand, if you already have a scratched lens - don't be afraid to use it It might give you some interesting results - just like mine.
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Great work. J8 and J9 at f4 are my favourites. The scratched J8 does produce interesting results.
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J8 at f2 (badly focused)



mmmm butteryyyy
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Nice shot Nikola.
I like also the shots on your page. Reminds me of Croatia - I just love that country. If I could, I would even move there
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thanks

you were probably been here on vacation? it's kind a tradition for Czech and Slovaks to go in Croatia on summer holidays...

i've been in Poprad few years ago...
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your model is indeed beautiful! It must be a pleasure to test your equipment on such a "subject".
For me the bad things about lens tests with such a model is that I completely forget to look at the Bokeh.
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I like both the I61 and Jupiter. I think your "scratched" Jupiter may have also been dropped, kicked, hazed, and fungusized
Can we call it a process of Holgization of a Jupiter lens?
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Can we call it a process of Holgization of a Jupiter lens?
you mean Jupiter Holgalization or in german: Jupiterholgalisationsprozess



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Here's a pop quiz:

pick the photos taken with the I61 out of these 24 and you will win a prize. There are only 2 other 50's in the set, and only 4 lenses total, including the I61:

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Ampguy, that's tough. Everyday shots at moderate apertures where all lenses look the same, and small pics. I give up.

BTW: what were the other lenses?
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Actually wide range of apertures used

I went through the range, or at least fully open and closed and a mid range f5.6 to f11 on each of the 4 lenses.

The other 50s were an I-22, and I-50. The 35mm was a Canon Serenar 3.5 of which 7 are from that lens at 3.5 (2), 5.6, 8 (2) and 22(2).


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BTW: what were the other lenses?
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Hi again.

As I'm updating this bokeh comparisson, I'd like to add what I originally haven't added: Jupiter 12.

So here it is:
J12 @ f2.8


J12 @ f5.6
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Thanks for this very nice lens comparison and thanks to your girlfriend to be your model here.

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I don't know which photo it is, AMP, so I pick my lucky nmber: 4.

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Seriously;maybe 19, 22, or 23.

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Thanks for including the Jupiter 12. Using ISO 200 film, I seldom find a situation where I can open up to 2.8. I am very well impressed with the performance of my black, 1987 J 12.

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Thanks for including the Jupiter 12. Using ISO 200 film, I seldom find a situation where I can open up to 2.8. I am very well impressed with the performance of my black, 1987 J 12.
So am I, but it also flares badly... even in not so bad situations.
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