Go Back   Rangefinderforum.com > Cameras / Gear / Photography > Classic Film RangeFinders & Other Classics > Fixed Lens 35mm RF

Fixed Lens 35mm RF This forum is dedicated to the numerous and popular fixed lens rangefinders, including but not limited to the Canon Canonets, Konica III and S series, Minoltas, Ricohs, Vivitars, and so many others. Note fixed lens Olympus , Yashicas, Argus and Retina have separate forums.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes

Konica Auto S2 - First impressions
Old 05-14-2006   #1
ruben
-
 
ruben's Avatar
 
ruben is offline
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: West Jerusalem
Posts: 3,533
Konica Auto S2 - First impressions

Perhaps it wll be rather boring for many members and guests, as this camera is well known among RFF. Nevertheless I cannot stop myself from writing the following love poem, to my new Konica Auto S2.

I have even not finished a roll and I am already in love with this full featured camera, about whose sharp lens a lot have been already said.

"Why is this camera so big ?", I asked not long ago at RFF. After opening the top casting to clean the viewfinder optics it become very obvious. No effort has been invested by Konica designers to exploit all that empty space left out there. Just as simple as that. Yet, a great effort was invested in making a camera with great basic features, some of them taken to perfection.

As a point of reference I will take two other competitors: the Olympus SP and the Canonet GIII. In fact, the Minolta 7s should be present, but mine was given long time ago to an ex-friend who became so much in love with it that it seems he prefered the camera to my friendship.

THE LIKES
a) Coupled rangefinder. This means mooving framelines according to metered distance, thus eliminating automatically parallax problems for close focus shots. What a pleasure! Not only a pleasure, and accurate framed images but fast shooting too !!

Ask me about a fixed lens rangefinder for street photography, and I will say Konica Auto s2.

b) Another feature enabling fast shooting is the focusing handle, present too both at the Oly and the GIII. Once you get used to (and I am) you focus and shoot like with a machine gun.

c) But both the Oly and the GIII have rather cranky (grrrrr) shutter speeds rings. Here the Konica shines. Both the shutter and f/stop rings are so smoooooth...

d) The viewfinder came quite clouded, but once cleaned it becomes the antithesys of the Kievs. With the Kievs you have a dim viewfinder but a strongly bright yellow patch. The Konica bears a rather dim yellow (greenish) patch but a very sharp and contrasty viewing window. Another pleasure !

e) Size and weight. 750 grams for both body and lens is not the last word of technology, but not proper of the Filinstones too. In fact both the Oly and the GIII are only 100~150 grams less heavy, while much smaller. The Koni big size on the other hand makes the camera very much grippable, easy to handle from the first moment. But, obviously this is not the camera you will pick when carrying a lot of gear besides.

f) Cds cell meter and Auto exposure. The s2 sports a cds cell meter, which I cannot speak too much about since the one in my sample although mooving is not consistent nor quick. Provided a sample in which the cell meter works, you have a shutter priority (again fast shooting first) auto exposure, with readings of the consequent f/stop both at the viewfinder and at a special window over the top casting, enabling discreet meterings towards people at close range. "Exposure lock" via depressing half way the shutter.


g) Shutter noise. Quite in the low noise league, and for sure not that punch on your face like with the Oly. But somehow my feeling is that here the Koni designers went lazy too. And they added sin to crime, by making an amateur-appealing unique feature - a kind of deliberate ratcher noise while you moove the winding handle....

h) Price. Ho guys and girls, perhaps this is the only great camera in which you are almost paid for to buy. I paid u$d 30 for an Exc+ model. Can you believe it, a coupled rangefinder shutter priority auto-manual with above the average optics = just $30 incl case ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

i) On top of it: depht of field scale, with infra red mark.

Please relieve those sellers from this burden, take one home.

THE DISLIKES
a) What the hell is that "built in hood", described in the manual as being of the "push out" type ? I look at the camera and see no hood, but a slight protrusion of the filter compound, about some half of a centimeter. Can this be the hood ? Nahh ... If yes it should "push out". Therefore I push and push until I jam that black compound, breaking the plastic pin fixing the compound and one of the wires of the cell meter... Fortunately, even with the loosen compound the camera continues to operate as a fully manual one. I believe from some pics, my sample arrived without the hood. Beware.

b) I disliked too the chromish look of such a big camera. A camera of this size should have been designed either black, or with a black optional body. Black reduces apparent size. Chrome biggens it. Even if it was not the fashion by the sixties, camera size had to be taken into account.

Otherwise, very promising camera !

Kindly post your Konica Auto S2, until I may post mine.

Last edited by ruben : 05-14-2006 at 08:30.
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-14-2006   #2
Duncan Ross
Say it with flashbulbs
 
Duncan Ross's Avatar
 
Duncan Ross is offline
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Scotland
Age: 49
Posts: 215
Not every model had an extendable hood, some (including my old S2) didn't. I eventually got rid of mine just because it was too big to justify; base-to-base it is virtually identical in size to my wife's Praktica MTL5. The lens was very good though the transport was a bit harsh.
__________________
Finally reduced the collection to two Kievs!
  Reply With Quote

Konica Auto S2 is a winner
Old 05-14-2006   #3
vrgard
Registered User
 
vrgard's Avatar
 
vrgard is offline
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Silicon Valley, California
Posts: 1,762
Konica Auto S2 is a winner

I agree that the Konica Auto S2 is a very nice camera. Not small, which is why I don't lug it around with me regularly, but takes very nice, sharp pics. And I really like the exposure meter's display on the top of the camera since, as you said, it allows one to set the camera discreetly and then quietly raise it to one's eye to actually take the shot - perfect for candid/street photography. I also like the "grippiness" of the body covering. That covering combined with the size of the camera makes for a very easy camera to handle, particularly if you have large hands. As for the built-in hood, I didn't realize that some came without the hood. Mine has the hood and it's very clearly a slide-out arrangement from the fixed lens body. Oh, and the leather everready case is also very nice - a surprise if one is used to the cheap, disintegrating case that typically comes with the Canonet. Again, an all around nice camera that I highly recommend, particularly at it's typical price point.
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-14-2006   #4
jrong
Too many cameras
 
jrong's Avatar
 
jrong is offline
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London, UK
Posts: 252
It's an excellent camera indeed and I have 2 in my collection! But in my humble opinion, the Yashica Electro 35 has the edge over it. Maybe I just prefer it's smaller diamond rangefinder spot and the way it feels in my hand....

The S2 also makes a shockingly loud shutter sound compared to the Electro....if you haven't yet, give the Electro a try, it can be found for amazingly low prices on eBay.
__________________
ArtemisWorks Photography
http://www.artemisworks.co.uk
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-14-2006   #5
filmgoerjuan
Registered User
 
filmgoerjuan's Avatar
 
filmgoerjuan is offline
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Posts: 85
I love my Konica Auto S2, a lovely CLA'd version from greyhoundman: Konica Auto S2 Flickr set
__________________
My Flickr Photostream
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-16-2006   #6
Wayne R. Scott
Half fast Leica User
 
Wayne R. Scott's Avatar
 
Wayne R. Scott is offline
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Iowa
Age: 65
Posts: 1,315
Here are some samples from my Konica Auto S2 from this morning.









Wayne
__________________
One's skill is never complete, one's knowledge is forever lacking, one's taste is invariably altered, one's opinion ever subject to controversy. There is a complete and constant urge toward improvement...
-Andrew Loomis.


"Good Judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement."
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-19-2006   #7
jody
Broke User
 
jody is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Georgia USA
Posts: 143
I also love the S2 and feel it has an edge over the Yashica electro being fully mechanical if needed and better built.
__________________
Jody
My Cameras

My Blog
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-19-2006   #8
kzim56
Karl Zimmerman
 
kzim56's Avatar
 
kzim56 is offline
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Far East
Age: 61
Posts: 309
The Auto S2 was my first rangefinder and started me down this slippery slope. The meter died last year but I carry on with sunny 16. The photo of the satellite truck is Kodak 400UC. The girls are on cheap dollar store 200 ISO something or other.

Karl
Attached Images
File Type: jpg StormChaser1pa.jpg (307.2 KB, 324 views)
File Type: jpg AlixAud.jpg (47.9 KB, 420 views)
__________________
My photos on Flickr.
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-18-2007   #9
Jeremy Z
Registered User
 
Jeremy Z's Avatar
 
Jeremy Z is offline
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: N. Chicago suburbs
Age: 41
Posts: 217
ruben: How do you feel about this camera after many months of ownership, and presumably, many rolls of flim?

Does the lens live up to expectations? How is the contrast? How is the flare? How is mechanical & electrical reliability? What battery do you use? Did you get used to the noisy, ratchety film advance, or do you still consider it a sin? I briefly had an Olympus 35SP. AWESOME film advance, awesome lens, but the meter was out of whack. I also have a Canonet GIII, which I like a lot, but not for manual exposure and the film advance feels cheap, even if it isn't.

I bought one from greyhoundman because I like the high-spec lens of my Yashica GS, but miss metered manual exposure mode and auto-exposure lock. (it has to have ONE of them...) At least that's the reason I give myself and my wife, hehehe.
__________________
"Well begun is half done."
-Aristotle

Jeremy's collection
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-24-2007   #10
Bill58
Native Texan
 
Bill58's Avatar
 
Bill58 is offline
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: So. Korea
Posts: 2,981
I used mine over the weekend and it's great. BTW--the Kanto/ C.R.I.S. adapter and non-Mercury recommended battery were right on the spot exposure-wise.
__________________
My images of a strange land-So. Korea:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrs111445/
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-24-2007   #11
ndnbrunei
Registered User
 
ndnbrunei's Avatar
 
ndnbrunei is offline
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Brunei Darussalam
Posts: 68
The Auto S2 is a beautiful camera. It is a fine example of the commitment to quality that was the hallmark of the Japanese RF cameras of the day, right down to the leather case.

It is built like a sherman tank, and, as someone on another site has desribed similar cameras, you could defend yourself with it in a tight spot and still go on to take excellent photos.

I received mine earlier this year and it needs a CLA but don't we all as we get on a bit? Once this has been attended to I look forward to giving it lots of use.
__________________
If God had intended for us to use pixels he wouldn't have spent so much time getting silver halide just right.

My photoblog:http://primalspecies.blogspot.com/

My flickr page:http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

RF cameras - Yashica Electro 35 GSN, Konica Auto S2 and S3, Mamiya 6 (classic folder).
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-24-2007   #12
Bill58
Native Texan
 
Bill58's Avatar
 
Bill58 is offline
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: So. Korea
Posts: 2,981
S2 Story/ image--On Sunday, My G/F and I went to a park in Korea w/ a lot of public art. One, a stainless steel "doughnut" about 9 ft. O.D. caught my eye. I asked G/F to go around the back and peek thru the hole so I could take her pic. She willingly complied, but encountered a couple of "frightening" difficulties: First problem was the granite base ledge was only about 6 in. and second problem was the "doughnut" was surprisingly not anchored and quite easily moved/ rolled! The image captures her just as she discovers her predicament and literally freezes in fear (immediately behind her is a deep lake). Being a photographer first and a gentleman second, I just had to catch her in the "critical moment." I thereupon helped her safely down.

Here it is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrs111445/471285948/

p.s. She's OK and still speaking to me. I apologize for the Nikon FM2 in her hand.
__________________
My images of a strange land-So. Korea:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrs111445/

Last edited by Bill58 : 04-24-2007 at 07:13.
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-24-2007   #13
ChrisPlatt
Thread Killer
 
ChrisPlatt's Avatar
 
ChrisPlatt is offline
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Queens NYC
Age: 56
Posts: 2,489
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndnbrunei
The Auto S2 is a beautiful camera. It is a fine example of the commitment to quality that was the hallmark of the Japanese RF cameras of the day, right down to the leather case.

It is built like a sherman tank, and, as someone on another site has desribed similar cameras, you could defend yourself with it in a tight spot and still go on to take excellent photos.
I think the cold shoe gives it away as being from the time
right before build quality and finish began to go downhill...

Chris
__________________
Bring back the latent image!
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-24-2007   #14
raid
Dad Photographer
 
raid's Avatar
 
raid is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 28,096
I like the all manual possibilities with the S2. The lens is very sharp, as all users of S2 cameras have talked about here and other websites.

Raid
__________________
- Raid

________________
Top 12 Images;

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffg...n.php?cid=7007

http://raid.smugmug.com/
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-24-2007   #15
Jeremy Z
Registered User
 
Jeremy Z's Avatar
 
Jeremy Z is offline
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: N. Chicago suburbs
Age: 41
Posts: 217
Bill, I have to say, that is quite a pretty little hand strap & extended shutter release on your FM2...

The things we have to do to get women into photography.

I wonder, if I bought one of those blue-clad Canonets if my wife would feel like accessorizing with it?
__________________
"Well begun is half done."
-Aristotle

Jeremy's collection
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-24-2007   #16
Bill58
Native Texan
 
Bill58's Avatar
 
Bill58 is offline
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: So. Korea
Posts: 2,981
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Z
Bill, I have to say, that is quite a pretty little hand strap & extended shutter release on your FM2...

The things we have to do to get women into photography.

I wonder, if I bought one of those blue-clad Canonets if my wife would feel like accessorizing with it?
Jeremy;

Your wife would like it even better IF you put some diamonds all around it. The handstrap is Korean-made and the shutter release is Tom A's. I even put her name in English (red also) on the back w/ a Dymo labeler. As you can imagine, that gets a lot of stares/ comments

Bill
__________________
My images of a strange land-So. Korea:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrs111445/
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-07-2007   #17
kellymjones
Registered User
 
kellymjones is offline
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 28
I just made the realization the other day while shooting my Konica Auto S2 that having the shutter speed ring and aperture ring on the barrel of the lens next to each other can be very beneficial. Since my meter is broken, I have to manually set the shutter speed and aperture according to sunny 16 rules. If I move both the shutter and aperture rings at the same time in the same direction, my exposure is the same, which allows for some creativity with depth of field without re-calculating. For instance, if set my camera to 1/250 f8 and move both rings simultaneously to the left 2 clicks, then my camera is now set to 1/60 f16, which is the same exposure. Cool!
__________________
G-III QL17 Oly 35RC Oly 35RD Konica Auto S2
Electro 35 GSN Minolta Himatic 7
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-29-2007   #18
raid
Dad Photographer
 
raid's Avatar
 
raid is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 28,096
Ruben,

I will add my own new photo results with my Konica S2 to your thread here, since we are praising the same camera.

I used Fuji 800 with Tungsten light, so the colors may be off a little.


Raid










Last edited by raid : 06-29-2007 at 09:15.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-30-2007   #19
fidget
Lemon magnet
 
fidget's Avatar
 
fidget is offline
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Northern England
Posts: 1,343
Nice pictures, Raid. Following a period of non-use, I managed to free up the shutter speed ring on mine (it was an easy job). Although it has been for sale here before I had fixed it, I thought that I would try it again, now it's not for sale.
It's very fast to use and pretty sharp too.
In order to play with my own camera, I had to provide my grandson with one to play with......start em young!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg young.jpg (69.3 KB, 121 views)
__________________
(Almost) Too many cameras.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-30-2007   #20
raid
Dad Photographer
 
raid's Avatar
 
raid is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 28,096
Quote:
Originally Posted by fidget
Nice pictures, Raid. Following a period of non-use, I managed to free up the shutter speed ring on mine (it was an easy job). Although it has been for sale here before I had fixed it, I thought that I would try it again, now it's not for sale.
It's very fast to use and pretty sharp too.
In order to play with my own camera, I had to provide my grandson with one to play with......start em young!

Thanks.
Which camera is your grandson holding in his hands?
I liked the S2 a lot for allowing me to over ride the program setting and forhaving such a sharp lens. I have just gotten the Auto S repaired.Maybe I could compare the lenses of the S, S2, and the S3.

Raid
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-30-2007   #21
fidget
Lemon magnet
 
fidget's Avatar
 
fidget is offline
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Northern England
Posts: 1,343
He carried it for a couple of hours, pointing it at me when I pointed mine at him (trying to get a few amusing shots). It's a Konica C35, dead meter. Interestingly, he didn't drop it once, but I dropped it onto the floor 5 mins after he went home, iIblame the exhaustion. And no, I didn't put film in for him, he will have to be three for that!
__________________
(Almost) Too many cameras.
  Reply With Quote

Old 07-21-2007   #22
Terrence
Registered User
 
Terrence is offline
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Age: 41
Posts: 58
there are 2 on the bay with quite attractive price!

http://cgi.ebay.com/KONICA-AUTO-S-2-...QQcmdZViewItem

&

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Konica-A...QQcmdZViewItem
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-08-2007   #23
Mr_Flibble
Registered User
 
Mr_Flibble's Avatar
 
Mr_Flibble is offline
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: The Lowlands
Age: 40
Posts: 3,658
I bought one on impulse about 2 months ago. The shutter was stuck and it took a bit of CLA to clear it. It appears to be working great now, though I have to tweak the rangefinder a bit before it's ready for it's first roll of film.

After reading all of your comments concerning this camera I'm eager to try it out!
__________________
Rick - In Tabulas Argenteas Refero
Loaded with film: Olympus PEN F, Leica IIIc

Latest Toys: Bulk roll of Double-X.
Latest Activity: Timberwolf Tracks 2017
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-08-2007   #24
raid
Dad Photographer
 
raid's Avatar
 
raid is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 28,096
Using the S2 resulted in excessive GAS for me. After just a few months, I now have seven different Konica RF cameras. The lenses are superb and the camera built is rock solid. If this line of Konica cameras only had exchangeable lenses, then it would have been more efficient for travel and so on.
__________________
- Raid

________________
Top 12 Images;

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffg...n.php?cid=7007

http://raid.smugmug.com/
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-03-2007   #25
conradyiu
closer
 
conradyiu's Avatar
 
conradyiu is offline
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Shanghai <-> Hong Kong
Posts: 265
Which would you pick within S, S2 and S3?
__________________
conrad yiu
my little photo blog

RF: R-D1x, Canon P, CV 21/4, Canon 19/3.5, 35/1.5, 50/1.5, 50/1.2, 50/1.4, Nikkor 50/1.4
Minolta 7S, Oly XA, 35SP, 35RD, Wide S, Natura 24/1.9
Digital: Fuji X-E1, XF 18-55
SLR: Nikon F3/T, few Nikkors
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-04-2007   #26
raid
Dad Photographer
 
raid's Avatar
 
raid is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 28,096
Conrad,

I would pick the S2.
The S may have quality control problems and the S3 is fully automatic exposure.
__________________
- Raid

________________
Top 12 Images;

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffg...n.php?cid=7007

http://raid.smugmug.com/
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-04-2007   #27
ChrisPlatt
Thread Killer
 
ChrisPlatt's Avatar
 
ChrisPlatt is offline
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Queens NYC
Age: 56
Posts: 2,489
I agree with Raid; go with the S2.
It's a great camera for little money.

Chris
__________________
Bring back the latent image!
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2008   #28
jody36
Registered User
 
jody36 is offline
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Macon Ga. USA
Posts: 253
Love my S2 and own an S3 as well if I could only have one would be the S2. I have lots of rangefinders no leicas though and think the S2 is the most solid built and dependable of them. Have most of the Yashicas and they are ascetically pleasing but not as durable as the konica. I kept one on my fire truck for a while so I could use on calls.
__________________
http://jodycriswell.blogspot.com
LX3-fuji x-e1-zorki 4- konica auto s3- konica auto s2- fed 2
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2008   #29
ruben
-
 
ruben's Avatar
 
ruben is offline
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: West Jerusalem
Posts: 3,533
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Z View Post
ruben: How do you feel about this camera after many months of ownership, and presumably, many rolls of flim?

Does the lens live up to expectations? How is the contrast? How is the flare? How is mechanical & electrical reliability? What battery do you use? Did you get used to the noisy, ratchety film advance, or do you still consider it a sin? I briefly had an Olympus 35SP. AWESOME film advance, awesome lens, but the meter was out of whack. I also have a Canonet GIII, which I like a lot, but not for manual exposure and the film advance feels cheap, even if it isn't.

I bought one from greyhoundman because I like the high-spec lens of my Yashica GS, but miss metered manual exposure mode and auto-exposure lock. (it has to have ONE of them...) At least that's the reason I give myself and my wife, hehehe.

Ok, if this thread is being recalled I will have to repent for a sin I made to this extraordinary camera I got at such a good health.

I simply went mad looking for the built in hood, up to the point that I started to disassemble the lens from the front.... Yeap I kinow, 20 lashes to my account at the sky.

This brought immediately to a cut of the old wires leading to the forefront light metering cell and therefore the "auto" became "manual only". Yeap I know, another 20 lashes to my account.

At that stage since the camera was not totally lost I decided to stop any further actions and reassembled it. But I put it aside, in a box. (5 lashes ?).

Lately, my interest aroused again and another Konica Auto S2 in much worse exterior shape arrived. With its help I hope to be able to learn about the connections and soldier again the electric cables and thus put the camera back to use.

Besides that I black painted top and bottom chromes, but of course good dids don't count too much these days.

Cheers,
Ruben
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2008   #30
Sandstrom
Registered User
 
Sandstrom is offline
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3
Oh Ruben- you couldn't resist dissecting your S2 could you?

I too love my S2, the ease of use and quality of images is unbelievable. Even though you probably can see this now from our second S2 they hood surrounds the outside front of the lens and is retained by a thing (filter like) ring. A previous owner must have removed it and never put it back.

Please don't vivisect your Konicas again, I will sacrifice my hood if it will quell further temptation...

Brian
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2008   #31
ruben
-
 
ruben's Avatar
 
ruben is offline
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: West Jerusalem
Posts: 3,533
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandstrom View Post
Oh Ruben- you couldn't resist dissecting your S2 could you?

...........
Brian

Nope, it is in my veins. Disassembling is a feature I carry from childhood. I loved guns. And whenever I got one as present I used to hide myself behind the sofa and start trying to disassembling it....

It is a kind of curiousity excess.

As for cameras, I disassemble in the same compulsionary way when they have something not working. Most of the times the problem biggens, some times I am lucky.

For the last seven years I work in a printshop with a lot of machines. I have seen the bosses with a clear cut approach to fixing technical problems with the machines:

a) First you relax your nerves through sending some dirty shouts
b) You don't do anything until you learn what is the problem
c) Until then, you look and look and look.
d) Once you have learned the problem you decide if it is up to you to fix, or a more professional technician is required.

Cheers,
Ruben

Last edited by ruben : 10-24-2008 at 03:54.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2008   #32
btgc
Registered User
 
btgc's Avatar
 
btgc is offline
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,756
Oh, finally I ended where Ruben is - my Auto S2 is meterless now. I just opened shutter to wash slow speeds escapement and wire broke off meter cell. I could solder it back though decided to leave it off for a while - to see if washing effect is permanent. And I don't rely on built-in meters of old manual cameras. Maybe later I'll put it back, just to have things as they were intended. But not now. Beauty of KAS2 don't depend on meter.
__________________
MyFlickr
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2008   #33
Lukino
new to rf
 
Lukino is offline
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Central Italy
Posts: 66
Hi Ruben, if you happen to find any resource about Auto S2 electrical part, can you please share it?

I'm trying to restore an Auto S1.6 which, as jody36 pointed out, is probably the same camera with a different lens, but some cables are cut and other are missing. Pictures of the open body would be very useful too, so I can figure out what is missing.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2008   #34
ruben
-
 
ruben's Avatar
 
ruben is offline
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: West Jerusalem
Posts: 3,533
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukino View Post
Hi Ruben, if you happen to find any resource about Auto S2 electrical part, can you please share it?

I'm trying to restore an Auto S1.6 which, as jody36 pointed out, is probably the same camera with a different lens, but some cables are cut and other are missing. Pictures of the open body would be very useful too, so I can figure out what is missing.

In my camera no electrical part is missing. Just the two cables (plus and minus I assume) have been cutted from the front cell. Now, from here there are several minor but annoying problems:

a) which cable should be soldiere to which side of the cell ? this in principle should be no problem and either doesn't matter or you can be able to test by experience. But then comes problem b)

b) the original cables (perhaps wires in better English) are very short, even to soldier them back out of knowledge, not to speak about temp arrangements to test who is who. Therefore I should find small additional wires to soldier to the original ones and then the job will be very feasible. But then comes problem c)

c) There is no much free space out there inside the compound, and therefore the additional cables should be closely thin to the original ones. Now start walking around your house looking what device are you going to dismantle in order to find such thin cables. Of course that our friends livin in big cities will have no problem to make a short trip to the electricity supplys quarter of their city, but those of us living in the desert have it more difficult.

Finnally the soldiering activity should be performed taking greatest care of the lens, I think dismounting should be done.

Cheers,
Ruben
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2008   #35
btgc
Registered User
 
btgc's Avatar
 
btgc is offline
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,756
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruben View Post
Now start walking around your house looking what device are you going to dismantle in order to find such thin cables.
Idea, idea! Computer has some cables inside - should work

But then comes problem d)

d) We will not have messages and pictures from Ruben, so at this point I'm retracting idea about cannibalizing PC.

Ruben, you really can make a day, as some RFFer expressed his feelings.
__________________
MyFlickr
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2008   #36
cweg
Registered User
 
cweg's Avatar
 
cweg is offline
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: near Hamburg/ Ger
Posts: 234
My KAS2 doesen't work yet too. The Shutter stucks always after a few days, but that's not the main problem. My question is, if the Aperturering has to click in every f-stop or doesn't it engage in your KAS2's too?
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2008   #37
btgc
Registered User
 
btgc's Avatar
 
btgc is offline
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,756
On KAS series aperture ring doesn't have click stops.

In manual mode meter can point to position between whole aperture values, so it's logical that any aperture in working range can be selected. In Auto mode camera also can set values between fstops. So there were no reason to implement clickstops for aperture - this is good sample of logical user interface.

Probably from implementation aspect this simplified implementation of Auto mode.

In fact, well designed cameras have at least one stepless exposure variable. Let's look at Yashica Electro - aperture has clickstops, while stepless shutter can work at any speed, thus achieving best possible exposure (at least theoretically). Lynx series have mechanical (thus - fixed speeds) and stepless aperture, just like a KAS.

Simpler cameras with limited aperture and speeds are easier to use when speed/aperture settings are clickable. Just remember few combos which work for you (I mean, general user) and stick to them. This is minor step to automation. Less decisions, less fiddling, more pictures.
__________________
MyFlickr
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2008   #38
Lukino
new to rf
 
Lukino is offline
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Central Italy
Posts: 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruben View Post
In my camera no electrical part is missing. Just the two cables (plus and minus I assume) have been cutted from the front cell. Now, from here there are several minor but annoying problems:

a) which cable should be soldiere to which side of the cell ? this in principle should be no problem and either doesn't matter or you can be able to test by experience. But then comes problem b)

b) the original cables (perhaps wires in better English) are very short, even to soldier them back out of knowledge, not to speak about temp arrangements to test who is who. Therefore I should find small additional wires to soldier to the original ones and then the job will be very feasible. But then comes problem c)

c) There is no much free space out there inside the compound, and therefore the additional cables should be closely thin to the original ones. Now start walking around your house looking what device are you going to dismantle in order to find such thin cables. Of course that our friends livin in big cities will have no problem to make a short trip to the electricity supplys quarter of their city, but those of us living in the desert have it more difficult.

Finnally the soldiering activity should be performed taking greatest care of the lens, I think dismounting should be done.

Cheers,
Ruben
You've better luck than me, in my camera both wires to the cell are missing, so I don't know where they have to go. Also others are probably missing, I can see no wires to the battery check button for example... Now I've fond this, which is a big help to begin:
http://www.kyphoto.com/classics/foru...tml?1221581331

About your points:
a)my electronics knowledge is a little rusted, but I seem to remember that cds cells have no wiring preference

b) don't know about original wires length, not having them :-( but if you unscrew front element lens there is probably enough space to work

c) it is probably better, if you need to extend wires, to unscrew entire lens and focus element from the body, but this requires removing the camera leatherette.

Dismantling is certainly better than soldier over the lens... but I think you're one who love to look inside your toys, aren't you?
I am as you can see in this thread
If you need, I can send you diagrams I'm drawing while taking things apart, not much but hope can be useful
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2008   #39
racoll
Registered User
 
racoll is offline
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Monticello, IN
Posts: 206
I found a Montgomery Ward am551 on the big auction site for $5! For those that don't know, the am551 is the Konica Auto S2 branded by Konica for Montgomery Ward to sell with their own labels. Aside from different markings, it's the exact same camera, but lack of familiarity on the part of others allowed me to buy it for $5 in near-perfect condition. I've just about finished a roll of film in it and am eager to see how it turns out.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-25-2008   #40
ruben
-
 
ruben's Avatar
 
ruben is offline
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: West Jerusalem
Posts: 3,533
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukino View Post
...........

b) don't know about original wires length, not having them :-( but if you unscrew front element lens there is probably enough space to work

c) it is probably better, if you need to extend wires, to unscrew entire lens and focus element from the body, but this requires removing the camera leatherette.......

Here is the Zabritsky point to confess that in these sort of lens dismantling I am always afraid of altering the accurate positions when re-screwing.

Hmmm....,

Now, Lukino if you don't have wires at all, i, e, a minimal starting point, why do you insist with an f/1.6 instead of an Auto S2 with and f/1.8 - or if you want go lower, start CLA a Yashica Lynx 1.4 (in this case choose the older type with the dot and the black pointer on the viewfinder) ?

Cheers,
Ruben
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Konica Auto S2 re-sealing instructions now available Jon Goodman Rangefinder Photography Discussion 0 12-27-2005 19:16
Saved a Konica Auto S MrRanger Rangefinder Photography Discussion 2 07-12-2005 09:14
Looking for some Konica Auto S2 parts... bmattock Other RF 2 06-21-2005 17:38



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:54.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.