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Old 05-28-2014   #201
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I wonder how long it takes to design lenses like the Otus, and the Touit models. And how long it takes to design and build a good RF lens.

It's understandable that Zeiss only has so much resources that it can devote to different lens projects, and that a new RF lens would be on the back burner, compared with new lenses for mirrorless cameras.

Doesn't stop me thinking about a Zeiss 35/1.4 that is priced well below the Leica FLE, though.
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Old 05-28-2014   #202
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I was at show recently and asked the Zeiss rep. He said we would see the lens at Photokina this year and implied it was a 35mm.
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Old 05-30-2014   #203
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Zeiss really fell in love with Sony :
"Touit and ZM lenses on the Sony A7R - a good connection" (March, 21th):
http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/en/?p=4834

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We are currently working on manual focus lenses for full-frame CSCs like the Sony Alpha 7R. They are expected to be in stores by the end of 2014,
this was nice to know. thinking about it, by using designs from ZM line, it should not be too expensive or time consuming for Zeiss to bring whole lens system for Sony A7. only wide angles would need some more work, or use SLR type designs for them.

am running out of excuses not to buy Sony A7
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Old 06-02-2014   #204
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35mm huh?

From what I understand, Sonnar designs are hard to produce at 35mm - true, asymmetric Sonnars that is, like the 50/1.4.

So I'd be surprised if it wasn't a Planar at f1.4. I'd be pretty pleased with that. Hopefully one that more like the 50/2 Planar and less like the CV 35/1.4, who's design, while double guass, looks very much like the older 35 Cron design, pushed an extra stop.
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Old 06-02-2014   #205
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I'd be more inclined to think it's a telecentric design, so that would be a 35/1.4 distagon.

if Zeiss could recapture the magic of the C/Y 35/1.4 in a relatively small 35, I'd straight up re-enter M mount.
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Old 06-02-2014   #206
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What zeiss needs is not another 35, but a BODY.

Strip off the thick covers on the A7 sensors, make a nice RF style Mirrorless with Sony focus aids and drop it on the market for around 2k.

They would never be able to make enough.
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Old 06-02-2014   #207
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A Zeiss Ikon digital rangefinder, the digital equivalent of the ZM film camera, would be nice! What to call it? ZMd? dZM?
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Old 06-02-2014   #208
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Zeiss would still make more money designing lenses for other cameras.

I mean look even at the ZM line - based on the M mount, I'd argue the vast majority of the lenses sold, we're not used on an Ikon. I'd say most are used on a Leica.

Zeiss doesn't need a body.

Back to the 35mm lens, yes a 35/1.4 Distagon would be excellent, if large.
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Old 06-03-2014   #209
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With its good relation with Sony-Konica, maybe Zeiss could create an Hexar RF 2.
The main task is to redesign the HXR's rangefinder (longer telemetric base, more robust, and does not turn your CLA tech guy crazy).
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A 75mm f/1.5 Sonnar would be interesting and characterful.
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A 75mm f/1.5 Sonnar would be interesting and characterful.
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I am hoping for a fast (1.4) 28mm.....come on Zeiss!
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I am not convinced that Zeiss needs another 35mm considering how awesome both the 35/2 and 35/2.8 are.

As for a digital ZM...if that really came true, and the camera retained the slim, good looks of the ZM, I'd have my pre-order in place before you could say jack robinson.
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Old 06-20-2014   #216
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As for a digital ZM...if that really came true, and the camera retained the slim, good looks of the ZM, I'd have my pre-order in place before you could say jack robinson.
they did! It's called the Sony A7. ;-)
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I think what people are after is a Zeiss ZM digitsl, with leica M mount, designed to be used with new and existing M mount lens, without an adapter.
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Old 06-22-2014   #218
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I could dream of a new film ZM, but this will probly remain a dream. No PC or software needed, no newer ending software 'upgrades'.
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I thought it will be 28/2.
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I dare Zeiss to make a 28mm f/1.4 and release it to volume before Leica.
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Old 09-18-2014   #221
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There is a gap in the market for the 28mm f/1.4.
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There is a gap in the market for the 28mm f/1.4.
Of course there's the new 28 Summilux from Leica, yet there's also surely room for faster Zeiss ZM series wides.
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Old 09-22-2014   #223
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Sony should make an A7 with a Leica M mount.

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Old 09-23-2014   #224
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Wait for the 2.8

Before I bought my Distagon I did a lot of comparison on line research, and the Distagon is a very old reverse tele design that was a big deal in the early '50's with Hasselblad.

Getting used to the concept takes a little experience with the reverse tele design. Depth of field, not focus shift, has to be learned. The old rule of focusing 1/3 in 2/3 out is just a starter, but even at a distance where one would normally be in the infinity range, that depth of field booger bear is still in play.

Bokeh is exceptional to the point that it approaches 3D when depth of field is mastered. The lens focuses very close, close enough to be a poor man's macro.

I have not used the 1.4, and own a 2.8 version which I am hoping Zeiss will build in the ZM configuration. If, and when, it becomes available I will definitely want one.

It is not for beginners, but for someone who has a good eye and is willing to put the time in to learn it's quirks.

I started by shooting 20 or 30 shots at 2.8, then 4, then 5.6 and so on so I could anticipate for the results.

I love the design, my only complaint about the reverse tele is that when shooting buildings, they seem to lay back, although curvature distortion is very slim. In my head I know it's a 35, but I shoot as if it's a 28.

I shot this one this morning, the colors look like Ektachrome and in warmer light Kodachrome. I can live with that!

Distagon 2.8 35mm, with Canon 5D:

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