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You can tell I shoot with RFs because my eyeglasses have more scratches than a BGN-grade Summar 135 43.41%
Because I need to wear my eyeglasses, my enjoyment of RF photography is reduced 900 percent 56 18.01%
I realize how lucky I am not to have to wear eyeglasses 19 6.11%
I don't feel sorry for eyeglass wearers because that just means there's more RF gear for me 6 1.93%
I have no problems shooting RFs with my eyeglasses 120 38.59%
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Old 12-22-2010   #1
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Poll for Eyeglass Wearers

Last night I posted a response in the current "Disappointed/Overrated Kit" thread about how eyeglasses and rangefinder cameras are not meant for each other. And now I'm curious what percentage of RFF members wear/use eyeglasses when using their RF cameras. Thus I've created this very scientific, objective poll (purpose of which will be determiined sometime in the future by some PHD candidate looking for a good thesis idea).

I'm also interested in finding out how many eyeglass wearers have been so annoyed by poorly designed RF viewfinders/framelines that they've given up on RF gear and sold it for rock-bottom prices just to get these torture devices out of the house. Or did you find some acceptable 'work-around'... like focusing without your glasses and posting all your work over at the lomography site.
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Funny enough I initiated the disapointed thread and now its my turn to reciprocate, well I wear glasses and its not a vanity thing, I just hate them, it makes looking through 99.9% of viewfinders a challenge, (apart from Nikon F or F2). Consequently my glasses have more scratches than a cat with fleas
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i wear glasses and it does not really bother me.

My OM1 is a PITA for some reason....who knew?
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Now THAT is a lot of scratches! :-)

Over the past few years I've had to buy double the number of glasses I did prior to 'discovering' rangefinders.
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Scratches are not an artifact of rangefinder cameras. They happen just as much with SLRs.
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I cant see the 28mm framelines in my M4-P and the 35's are a challenge, however that hasn't stopped me from ruining the right lens on my glasses. I already ruined them by grinding metal and burning the coating in a few spots. I still shoot RF's anyway.
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I wear glasses and contacts about 50/50, but I've never had any problems with scratches from the ZI or R3a. I have more problems with the fact that I'm left-eyed. If i were right-eyed I'd still be using the R3a and shooting with both eyes open.
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Using a .72x viewfinder for me is like... when a year later I accidentally discover that there's a 35mm frameline in there! I just hadn't hunted around enough when I first got the camera. Cameraquest has done some serious business with me, selling me accessory viewfinders for my 'super-wide' 35's. :-)
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Yeah... I used to think I was just having bad luck buying cameras that always had haze in the viewfinder. Then I realized it was my glasses. :-)
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Its like every three or four hundred year or so I remember to actually clean my glasses the rest of the year its like looking through a smoke glass coffee table
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OK now, hold on here! You've got to start a thread/poll for left-eyed shooters. That data will then provide work for some OTHER grad student down the road. And who knows... maybe someday manufacturers will stumble upon these scientific/objective studies and use them to redesign their cameras. And what about all those left-HANDED people out there that keep reaching for the film advance only to find they've changed the shutter speed! Dang... I think we've stumbled upon the motherload of scientific/objective thesis topics!!
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Hahaha....

By the way, I notice your avatar pic there. One of the only RF cameras I can live with... I don't even have to look through the viewfinder with one of those. Just point the thing in the general direction and blast away!! :-)
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Big deal for me. I had to give up on the M3 because of it. Then I've tried donuts, stick on plastic pieces everything you can think of to protect my expensive Zeiss Asph eyeglasses. I have a thick prescription, so Zeiss lenses keep em thin.

The best and only solution is to pick up an M6 eye piece that you can use on any M camera.. This is the only worthwhile solution. I've tried them all.
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I wear glasses w/ my R2A and can see the 50mm frame lines perfectly. Focusing is a snap too, but on my IIIA the peepers have to come off to do anything.
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Yeah... but did you realize your camera has 35mm framelines too!! Bonus feature for people that don't wear glasses! :-)
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I use Rolleiflex, both SLRs and RFs are pita with my Wayfarers. However, I was left-eyed, and I simply switched myself, one week of practice was enough.
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I now realize why I like the 50/75 or 90 FL, it's the only ones I can see comfortably through the VF

I also like to use my TLR more than any other camera format, that ground glass is a hoot to use. Well if you like reversed images anyway
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I wear glasses and seeing all the 35 frame lines is a challenge (I use M4), 50 is a blast to use tho. No scratches on my glasses so far.

I like 35 view and want to shoot more of it, but I always seem to grab the 50.
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I'm another glasses wearer and left eye dominant to boot, so none of that focusing w/ both eyes open stuff for me. The 40 framelines on my R3A are hard to use, and the 35 framelines on the Canon P are hopeless. Good thing I'm primarily a 50 user...
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I never really have trouble with my glasses, or should I say it doesn't bother me. With my .85 M7 the 35 lines are a bit of a rumor but I just do loose framing with the entire field of view. Same with the M8/25mm combo.

I must say the low mag Hexar RF is nice with glasses on.

On the SLR side the F3hp and F6 are both a pleasure with coke bottles (glasses) in place.
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I'm nearly blind without my glasses. That having been said, I really haven't had any problems concerning glasses and RF useage.

No scratches so far from the following cameras: M5, M6, CLE, CL, Fujigs6451w & Fuji690.

Even without the glasses, the 28mm framelines on the M6 are nearly impossible to see
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Glasses limit my ability to see into the corners of the finder, which is why I use my Leicas with .58 finders more than the ones with .72. But it's not enough of an inconvenience to make me go back to wearing contacts.

I didn't vote. There was no response option that was right for me.

EDIT: Actually, I see that I have voted. Maybe I had not yet voted at the time I wrote the above. I just took a look at my right eyeglass lens. I'm sure I must have voted option 1, because that lens is totally FUBAR!
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the scratches on my glasses are from so many things - i hardly think cameras are a big contributor. that said, i may be selling my IIIf soon, just because it's a huge PITA to use with glasses. the summitar will probably stay tho - i've got a CL that seems fine with glasses.

on the SLR side, the FM2N is iffy (have to hunt a bit for the shutter speed/ADR outside the frame) but the Pentax 67II is no problem.

as for the poll, i can't really vote - sure, it tarnishes the experience, but maybe 18%, not 900!
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A poll for eyeglass wearers with a box to tick for non eyeglass wearers ... I'm confused!



Contacts are a godsend but unfortunately not everyone can wear them. I'm -06.5 in both eyes so my specs are the proverbial coke bottle bottoms ... I seldom wear them.
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I wear glasses (all the time, 20/800 here) and use an M6 0.58x. I can just barely see the 28mm frameline, from which I approximate what my Zeiss 25mm will give me.

Scratches on my glasses would drive me nuts, I don't have any and if I did, I'd have to find the funds to get new lenses.

So what category do I fit into in your poll?
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I've had glasses since I was 7, and I guess I'm just used to them. Yes, my last pair got amazingly scratched up after I got an M3, but I'm a bit more careful now, and really have no problem seeing the 50mm lines in the M3. Or I ignore any problem rather well.
The 35mm lines in my M6TTL .85 are probably there somewhere, but I never use them anyway. (50's for me. 8 element 35 summicron coming up in the classifieds soon.)

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I don't really have any problems with even my IIIc. Can't see the 28 framelines in my M6, but I don't have a 28 lens. If you are left handed and left eyed, then try an Exa SLR, definately a left handed camera. Even has a four in the floor stick shift and no mirror return until you set the shutter.
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I shoot a Canon P. No scratches, but it is difficult for me to see the 35mm frames. Nothing to fret about though.
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There is hope for some of you yet! Don't get rid of your RFs.
30 years ago when I first had an OM1 I had to get a diopter eyepiece to get a satisfactory focus but I didn't need reading glasses then. Now I seem to be able to use the OM without the eyepiece - in fact it's an impossibility with it.. However I now have to use reading glasses. Yes, they do get scratched, but then I just buy another cheap pair at the 'drugstore'.
Over a period of time my eyesight has changed - from glasses as a boy of 7/8, to no glasses, to glasses to drive with but not read , to no glasses for driving and glasses to read. So don't give up yet on the nice RF that you can't see through. In 20 years time it might be just perfect even if you wont be able to get film for it. On the other hand if you are like me you will be delighted if in 20 years time you are still taking photos!

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I wear glasses, but find that I don't need them when focussing rangefinder cameras. SLRs yes, but rangefinders no.

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my right glass is full of scratches, but the left one is as good as new.. i wear contacts, but i don't like the dry feeling at the end of the day, so i seldom wear that now, except for some important events/dates.. I can't fit in diopter onto my MG-1, so i squint and scratch my glasses trying to get a better look into the VF..
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I began wearing glasses long before I started photographing, so using corrective lenses with my SLRs or rangefinders is just the way it is. It's nothing I get upset or obsess about.
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Where is the poll w/ eye glass wearers who don't have a problem w/ rangefinders?

I've been wearing glasses for 38yrs. I always found using my Nikon SLR's a bit frustrating w/ glasses, but they never stopped me getting photos made.

I've been using an Leica MP-4 exclusively for the last year and really enjoy my 50 summiliux, because the frame lines are completely viewable with a nice bit of action area surrounding it. I never cared for 50mm until I started using rangefinders.

It is a bit of a challenge to see the frame-lines w/ my 35mm, but I manage.

I don't have a problem with scratched glasses.
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Eyeglasses since 38 years, too ! The right glass (I now have to use bifocals ...) is a little scratched but I hardly realize it. However, I have to say that I really hate these rubber o-ring "protected" eye pieces of the newer M Leicas because the smear the leave on the glasses is by far worse than a few faint scratches ...
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stopped wearing the glasses

I've found focusing with the rangefinder, I don't really need my glasses as I would for focusing my SLRs. I did however pick up a Cosina R4M for use while shooting wide glass(35,28) and wearing glasses.
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Let's see, remind me, how much less than zero is a 900% reduction? nine times less than zero? -- that's some low, low satisfaction. Could that be what the Stones were singing about?

I also use diopters on the VF and just push up my glasses.
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I daresay someone has already mentioned it, but just in case, DAG has excellent plastic rings to fit over the Leica M metal viewfinder surround to stop scratching your eyeglasses. I use these and strongly recommend them. (see here)
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I wear glasses but can't answer one single question in the poll because there isn't one called 'Can't think what all the fuss is about'. So I assumed the skewed nature of the questions towards there being only problems with wearing eyeglasses and using rangefinders is irony, but they didn't seen funny enough, so I'm not sure if I'm just reading a thread started by a pillock.

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Rangefinders work better than SLRs with a variety of vision impairments. That modern coated acrylic glasses don't hold up to much abuse is nothing we can blame classic rangefinder cameras for. For one it is no better on SLRs from the same period, for the other, the eyeglasses common up until thirty years ago were from glass and did not scratch on brass or aluminium rings. If you use a period camera, get period eyeglasses to go with it.

If you use a new camera that scratches your modern coated acrylic glasses, the manufacturer will doubtlessly have a service department to address your complaint to.

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