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Old 06-23-2019   #1
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M-E (typ240)

Leica must really be overstocked on M240 parts!

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Old 06-23-2019   #2
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I thought they cleared them out with those Zenits. Must have had a bunch of body castings. And space grey. How trendy. Even the new X1D II is space grey.
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So it's 'just' an M-240 with a different paint job?
How much for this lump?
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How much for this lump?
Whatever they charge I am sure they will sell them. They need an entry level M. The M10P now costs $8K.
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So, every leica camera at the end of production is M-E. E fur End.
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So, every leica camera at the end of production is M-E. E fur End.
Nice observation!

This M-E offers more than the base M10 - such as the leveling display, longer battery life and video.
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Old 06-23-2019   #7
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I actually like it!
If it costs less..
I may actually spring for my 1st M Digital..
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Old 06-23-2019   #8
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Why not just get a good condition used MP240??
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Why not just get a good condition used MP240??
Curious to know what's the difference between mp240 and me240.
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Curious to know what's the difference between mp240 and me240.
Iím going to assume price and I didnít see mention of sapphire glass rear screen. Not sure what they said the M-E case is made from, but the MP240 is nice brass.
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TBH that looks pretty nice. Although I'd prefer a mint M-P 240 in plain black. The anthracite grey is interesting, though, and the 'genuine leather' covering sounds good, too. Certainly better than the 'premium vegan leather' of the Lenny Kravitz model.
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The good(ish) news - £3,500 in the UK. The bad news, limited to 750 worldwide by the looks of things:

https://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/m-bo...mera-body.html
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The local camera shop here has it listed at $4695 CDN. The 262 is "on sale" for $6195 CDN. The M-E is almost a bargain...
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Why not just get a good condition used MP240??
The old, 2012 M-E was priced a bit higher than the used price of the M9 at the time, but came with warranty, which was essential to the failure-prone digital Ms. Same applies to this one. Leica does know the used market well...
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Why not just get a good condition used MP240??
1. New camera with warranty
b. Nice, different finish
iii. see 1.
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U.S. price is $3995 for the new ME. What's the lowest price Leica has charged for a full frame digital M? I have not read the full spec, but the new ME appears to have everything the MP240 has, minus the sapphire glass. A brand new MP240 lists at $7495.
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That is an excellent price. The original M-E based on the M9 was $5500 and that was 5+ years ago.
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U.S. price is $3995 ... the new ME appears to have everything the MP240 has, minus the sapphire glass. ...
Not quite. The M-E 240 doesn't have the frameline preview selector. But it is an improvement over the M240 due to its 2MB buffer (same as M-P 240).

In the Leica world, based on what I currently know about it, it's not a bad deal!

I have it on good authority that the new M-E 240 is a limited run (750 units) intended to compete directly with the Zenit (on the same platform).
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Old 06-25-2019   #19
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The local camera shop here has it listed at $4695 CDN. The 262 is "on sale" for $6195 CDN. The M-E is almost a bargain...
I was hoping to see the M262 prices go down because of this announcement. Any reason why it shouldn't except for the M-E being a tactical move by Leica to divert users from Zenit?
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I think the M-E is a great addition to the Leica lineup. A lower cost Leica M entry point has long been needed. I hope the M-E (or another lower cost M) becomes standard production.
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I was hoping to see the M262 prices go down because of this announcement. Any reason why it shouldn't except for the M-E being a tactical move by Leica to divert users from Zenit?
I think part of the "tactic" was to slow down the used M240 market. Lots of folks (me included) will just wait and buy a used Leica. Leica gets nothing from that. I am sure they see that every used M240 sold is one less M10 that they could have sold. Now, a brand-new, never used M-E is "just" a little more than a used M240, and has a warranty, etc.
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I was hoping to see the M262 prices go down because of this announcement. Any reason why it shouldn't except for the M-E being a tactical move by Leica to divert users from Zenit?



Well, the M262 is a stripped down M240 so even "on sale" the price is ridiculous compared to the new M-E. But... the new M-E is supposed to be a limited run? If not, the M262 doesn't make sense.
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Where do people come up w limited run for this kamera? No mention of that on Leica’s website. And if it was they fer sure would talk that up and have the edition # engraved somewhere on top of the kamera like they do...
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Where do people come up w limited run for this kamera?
hmm. reading this thread is one place
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Without derailing the thread, can someone explain the meaning of the "Typ XXX" numbers? I couldn't find an explanation online.

I've seen it applied across various Model designations on their M Homepage: e.g., Leica M-E (Typ 240) and Leica M (Typ 240), Leica M (Typ 262) etc...
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... And if it was they fer sure would talk that up and have the edition # engraved somewhere on top of the kamera like they do...
Leica rarely does that any longer. The current green M10-P safari, for example, is limited to 1500 units, but there's no indication of that on the camera.
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Without derailing the thread, can someone explain the meaning of the "Typ XXX" numbers? I couldn't find an explanation online.

I've seen it applied across various Model designations on their M Homepage: e.g., Leica M-E (Typ 240) and Leica M (Typ 240), Leica M (Typ 262) etc...

When Leica introduced the M240 in 2012 they basically stated that all "M" going forward would simply be called "M" and the 240 was just kind of model/stock number, but soon afterwards like right away everyone else started referring to it as the 240 so they pretty much just gave up on the "M" naming idea and called the following models in the series by similar names M246, M262 and finally the M-E Type 240. And of course with the M10 they made the decision to go back the old naming system.
As far as why they choose 240, 246 and 262 maybe someone else can enlighten us on that.
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Did the Zenit ever materialize? I was under the impression it never shipped.
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Where do people come up w limited run for this kamera? ...
I've heard it elsewhere, but here's the first published indication I've seen of M-E 240 limited production.
https://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/m-bo...mera-body.html
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Did the Zenit ever materialize? I was under the impression it never shipped.
Again, on good authority, they were also in limited production (500 units) and in limited markets.
https://www.zenit.photo/en/catalog/photocameras/
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New M240 as result of M-E MKII are offered under 5K USD now.
And h00(@S4#^ !!! - M-E MKII is available for pre-order at 3.995 USD.
No idea from where this 600 units only speculation comes from. Leica will sell 6000 at easy with this price.

Very good. Used M240 will deep down in price. I think it will become best M for travel.
Will cost not too much to feel uncomfortable to use it on the street without insurance, weather sealed, usable ISO6400 and biggest battery capacity among all Leica's mades.

I'm waiting for 2K$ used M240 offers.
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New M240 as result of M-E MKII are offered under 5K USD now.
And h00(@S4#^ !!! - M-E MKII is available for pre-order at 3.995 USD.
No idea from where this 600 units only speculation comes from. Leica will sell 6000 at easy with this price.

Very good. Used M240 will deep down in price. I think it will become best M for travel.
Will cost not too much to feel uncomfortable to use it on the street without insurance, weather sealed, usable ISO6400 and biggest battery capacity among all Leica's mades.

I'm waiting for 2K$ used M240 offers.
I'm sure they may well be able to sell many more than 6,000 but they are making 750, as mentioned above with this link, several times:

https://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/m-bo...mera-body.html
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I'm sure they may well be able to sell many more than 6,000 but they are making 750:

https://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/m-bo...mera-body.html
Sorry, it is not Leica site. And number has grown from 600 to 750.
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New M240 as result of M-E MKII are offered under 5K USD now.
And h00(@S4#^ !!! - M-E MKII is available for pre-order at 3.995 USD.
No idea from where this 600 units only speculation comes from. Leica will sell 6000 at easy with this price.

Very good. Used M240 will deep down in price. I think it will become best M for travel.
Will cost not too much to feel uncomfortable to use it on the street without insurance, weather sealed, usable ISO6400 and biggest battery capacity among all Leica's mades.

I'm waiting for 2K$ used M240 offers.
Also look forward to drop in M240 or M262 prices.
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M-E will crash the used 240 market..whilst setting up for the new M250 or whatever Leica decides to call it..
Cant see M240 owners being too happy with this...as in..buy high..sell low..kind of thing..
I'm seriously thinking about getting this M-E though..
But think..in a couple of years time..this will be a pretty ancient camera design..
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New M240 as result of M-E MKII are offered under 5K USD now.
And h00(@S4#^ !!! - M-E MKII is available for pre-order at 3.995 USD.
No idea from where this 600 units only speculation comes from. Leica will sell 6000 at easy with this price.

Very good. Used M240 will deep down in price. I think it will become best M for travel.
Will cost not too much to feel uncomfortable to use it on the street without insurance, weather sealed, usable ISO6400 and biggest battery capacity among all Leica's mades.

I'm waiting for 2K$ used M240 offers.
Popflash just had one for I think $2100. They are getting pretty common to find for around $2300 to $2500.

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M-E will crash the used 240 market..whilst setting up for the new M250 or whatever Leica decides to call it..
Cant see M240 owners being too happy with this...as in..buy high..sell low..kind of thing..
I'm seriously thinking about getting this M-E though..
But think..in a couple of years time..this will be a pretty ancient camera design..
How are you still able to use film M? It is next to seventy years old design.
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How are you still able to use film M? It is next to seventy years old design.
Cant ..its too damn old..lol..
Cant put Tech Pan in it anymore..my film M's that is..
Toooo...ooolllldddd....the internals that is...
Old camera chips etc..1040p video..still usable..but barely..
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It's quite a handsome model. I hope Leica continues this trend of offering entry level cameras at prices more people can afford. A $4k M is just about right IMO.

Now they just need to make it with 43mm frame lines!
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To keep things in perspective, current discounts on the Fujifilm GFX50R make medium format slightly cheaper than Leica M.
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