Old 11-24-2019   #561
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So RawTherapee has added a film negative mode. From a very brief look it seems quite promising. Potentially a solution for people like me who don't have photoshop/negativelabpro?
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Old 11-24-2019   #562
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So RawTherapee has added a film negative mode. From a very brief look it seems quite promising. Potentially a solution for people like me who don't have photoshop/negativelabpro?
Negativelabpro need LR Classic, not sure if it works w photoshop.

You should give it a go and post your results here. I’m very happy with npl as it is super easy to use and gives fantastic results. But it’s not free.
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Old 11-24-2019   #563
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I've done a brief test. Its not one click and so there's still a bit of mucking around with white balance but it helps you get a lot closer to start with and is an improvement I think. Some of the issues will also be my skill in seeing colour cast, I suspect. I'll have another play later.


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My previous manual job (using RawTherapee and GIMP)



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Old 11-24-2019   #564
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As an example to see where it starts you:



This is what you get just cropping out the edges and then turning on the film negative feature



Here's what I got after setting the neutral points of the feature using the helmet on the ground and the shadows in the black bag the lady has.



https://www.dropbox.com/s/yve5ljzo92..._0076.NEF?dl=0 the file if anyone wants to have a play
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Old 11-24-2019   #565
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I've done a brief test. Its not one click and so there's still a bit of mucking around with white balance but it helps you get a lot closer to start with and is an improvement I think. Some of the issues will also be my skill in seeing colour cast, I suspect. I'll have another play later.


Using RawTherapee



My previous manual job (using RawTherapee and GIMP)



NegativeLabPro (Thanks to Huss)



Scan by the lab who developed it
Ahh I forgot I did that for you. yeah this really shows how good NLP is and it is so quick and easy to use. Just look at the difference in the sky between that and the store scan.
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Old 11-24-2019   #566
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Yeah, apart from the cost for high res scans, the reason I tried camera scanning was due to what looked like oversharpening and clipping in the highlights and shadows.


Here are some more comparisons between my best efforts with manually working each channel individually, and using the new Film Negative tool then the regular manual white balance tool in RawTherapee.



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I think this is a good enough process for me given that I only occasionally shoot colour film or digital and so would only need Lightroom infrequently. If I was using it all the time, it seems lightroom and NLP are probably worth the cost.
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Old 11-25-2019   #567
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Thanks to Huss's posts in here it's finally hassle free for digitizing negs! Here are my early attempts with NLP and scanning with dslr.

m6+50 asph - gold 200 scanned with d800e+105micro+NLP. Two things I picked up from this exercise - it's quick and fast and gold 200 is not the finest grained film.

INZ_3801 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

INZ_3836 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

INZ_3807 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

INZ_3803 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

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Old 11-25-2019   #568
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Excellent result Ricky! Love the first and last shots.
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Old 11-26-2019   #569
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Excellent result Ricky! Love the first and last shots.
Thanks Huss! another question for you - which film carrier/holder do you use for 35mm or 120? The scans now are acceptably sharp but they could still be sharper if i don't have to hold down the edges of the negs for those ones which aren't perfectly flat - that way i can tweak the focus on 20x live view before I enable the timer. Thanks!
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m6+50 asph/35iv - gold 200 scanned with d800e+105 micro+NLP

INZ_3804 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

INZ_3885 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

INZ_3868 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

INZ_3873-2 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr
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Old 11-26-2019   #571
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Amazing how old techniques, decades old, come back around. I am sure individual channel , RGB, is always how I would WB a difficult file. It always worked and is always better than I can get by eye and I have perfect color vision according to my eye doctor.
Capture One will do one click levels channel by channel almost instantly. Near perfect color & contrast results.
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Old 11-27-2019   #572
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managed to work through some more - which would not be possible if i was still scanning blurry stuff with my epson v500...

m6+50 asph/35iv - gold 200 scanned with d800e+105 micro+NLP

INZ_3934 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

INZ_3928-2 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

INZ_3925 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

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Old 12-02-2019   #573
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The most important piece of gear is negativelabpro.com
I’ve been reading this topic with great interest as I am interested in going down the route of digitising 35mm and 6cm sq film negs.
I was all set to get a copy stand, light pad and NLPwhen I checked with the NLP website and realised that I would need to have LR6.
I only have version 5 and refuse to subscribe more funds to Adobe for LR6.

So...., this seems to rule out NLP

Would you recommend any alternative systems?
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Old 12-02-2019   #574
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For a super easy system, I don't think there is one apart from NLP for camera digitising. That's why it's gotten people excited.

I've had some success using the new film negative function in RawTherapee but there's still a bit of stuffing around. I've been reasonably happy with it though. Whether it's too onerous for you that's up to you I suppose.


Perhaps see if you can get some raw files off people to give it a go? Ive linked to one at the bottom of post #563.
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Old 12-02-2019   #575
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The results are so good with NLP that it is totally worth it to me to be on the subscription model with Adobe.
Think about how important it is to have this available to you. I am primarily a film shooter and sell my work so it is a must have. But even if that wasn't the case I would use it for my personal work. It pays for itself really quickly if you shoot a fair amount of film and send it out to be scanned.

NLP provides the solution. And they just released v2.1 today.
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Many thanks for your valuable comments.
Hmm, I’m beginning to think that I may have to review my stance on Adobe.
The process of choice is obviously NLP and the only route available is LR6.
I might just have to relent on Adobe, much as dislike their methods

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Old 12-02-2019   #577
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The results are so good with NLP that it is totally worth it to me to be on the subscription model with Adobe.
Think about how important it is to have this available to you. I am primarily a film shooter and sell my work so it is a must have. But even if that wasn't the case I would use it for my personal work. It pays for itself really quickly if you shoot a fair amount of film and send it out to be scanned.

NLP provides the solution. And they just released v2.1 today.
Huss,

what type(s) of film holders are you using to take the exposures?

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what type(s) of film holders are you using to take the exposures?

Thanks,

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Hey Rick. For standard 35mm format I use the Nikon ES-2 with its 35mm 6 frame strip holder. For 35mm pano shots, or images that I want the sprockets to show I use the Lomo Digitiliza 35mm film holder and a copy stand. For 120 film I use the Lomo Digitilaza 120 film holder.
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Many thanks for your valuable comments.
Hmm, I’m beginning to think that I may have to review my stance on Adobe.
The process of choice is obviously NLP and the only route available is LR6.
I might just have to relent on Adobe, much as dislike their methods

Thanks
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I gotta be honest I too hated having to go to the subscription model but NLP is such a great tool and super easy to use I looked at the big picture so to speak, and it is worth it.
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Old 12-07-2019   #581
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I just loaded the new release of NLP and wow. I already was extremely happy but this has kicked it up a notch. Having the four new linear versions is killer.
This really is the best product out there to convert film images. Outstanding and so easy and fun to use.
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Old 12-08-2019   #582
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Old 12-09-2019   #583
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Old 12-10-2019   #585
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nice stuff huss!

I've been scanning more and more and playing with the settings inside NLP - so far so good!

F5+50 1.4G - venus 800 scanned with d800e+105 micro+NLP

INZ_4024-2 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

INZ_4036 by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr

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Those are adorable Ricky and the colors look great!

People have never said this about scanning before but NLP makes it fun!
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Hi All,

Several questions;

1) Regarding the Nikon Macro's; 60 M or 105 M. Is there any preference? My understanding is that optically they are both very good.
2) I will use purchase either a D 610/D 750 or D 800. The attraction of the 610 is that it is lighter. I know I will use it more for other purposes. Do the extra MP in the D 800 mean a lot. Is it simply down to the size of print that you can make?

Thanks in advance
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Several questions;

1) Regarding the Nikon Macro's; 60 M or 105 M. Is there any preference? My understanding is that optically they are both very good.
2) I will use purchase either a D 610/D 750 or D 800. The attraction of the 610 is that it is lighter. I know I will use it more for other purposes. Do the extra MP in the D 800 mean a lot. Is it simply down to the size of print that you can make?

Thanks in advance
Maybe someone will tell you the 105 is the better lens, but I think the biggest difference you’ll see is the working room needed. For this purpose the 60mm is ideal but for other kinds of macro photography a 105mm is more useful. I would recommend saving yourself some cash and buying a 55mm AI-S micro. You don’t need or want autofocus for “scanning”. Regardless of the lens you choose, any of the Micro Nikkors will be pretty sharp stopped down.

The D610 is small and light but also feels like a consumer product. The larger size and weight of the D800 series is very noticeable but also it feels more like a professional product. The difference in MP count is, in my opinion, significant (especially when “scanning” 35mm film, but less so for larger formats with multiple images combined into one).
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Will a 55mm work good for both 35mm scans and 6x6 medium format scans?
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keytarjunkie-Thanks for the input. It is time to start ordering more kit!
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Several questions;

1) Regarding the Nikon Macro's; 60 M or 105 M. Is there any preference? My understanding is that optically they are both very good.
2) I will use purchase either a D 610/D 750 or D 800. The attraction of the 610 is that it is lighter. I know I will use it more for other purposes. Do the extra MP in the D 800 mean a lot. Is it simply down to the size of print that you can make?

Thanks in advance
If you plan on using the Nikon ES-2 copier (which I do and highly recommend), it works with these lenses:

AF-S DX Micro NIKKOR 40mm f/2.8 G
AF-S Micro NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8G ED (in conjunction with included 62mm Adapter A)
AF Micro-NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8D (in conjunction with included 62mm Adapter B)

I used the D750 and got fantastic results. I skipped the 800 and went to the 850 (now the Z7) because 36mp is not that big a jump over 24mp, but 47mp is.
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Will a 55mm work good for both 35mm scans and 6x6 medium format scans?
You want a lens that can do 1:1 macro. You may need extension tubes for the 55mm to do that.
I highly recommend an AF 1:1 macro lens that you can use with LiveView. Optical focus will not be sufficient to focus on the grain (or at least will be very hard to do - I could not whether manually or using non Live View af).
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..You don’t need or want autofocus for “scanning”. Regardless of the lens you choose, any of the Micro Nikkors will be pretty sharp stopped down.
I 100% disagree. You do want an AF lens for scanning film. It is able to focus on the grain in LiveView, which is very fiddly and time consuming if you try manually, and if you try to focus through the optical finder then you will have very disappointing results.

All the micro Nikkor lenses are high quality, but you want to use an AF one.
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Has anyone used a Nikon ES-2 with a Canon setup? I am thinking of getting one for my 60D + 60mm EF-S combo but not sure how easy it will be to get everything connected at the correct distances.
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Has anyone used a Nikon ES-2 with a Canon setup? I am thinking of getting one for my 60D + 60mm EF-S combo but not sure how easy it will be to get everything connected at the correct distances.
It should work as that lens is 1:1 and has the same 52mm filter thread as the Nikon 40mm macro DX lens.
Focus distance would be different but you can adjust that on the ES-2 copier by sliding it in or out.
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It should work as that lens is 1:1 and has the same 52mm filter thread as the Nikon 40mm macro DX lens.
Focus distance would be different but you can adjust that on the ES-2 copier by sliding it in or out.
Sadly, I don't think it will work. I tried adapting my Nikon 60mm Macro to a Fuji APS-C camera and even with the ES-2 extended fully the image was severely cropped. I'm assuming the same thing would happen on the Canon.
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Has anyone used a Nikon ES-2 with a Canon setup? I am thinking of getting one for my 60D + 60mm EF-S combo but not sure how easy it will be to get everything connected at the correct distances.
I'm using a Nikon ES-1 with a Samsung NX 500 camera and a 60 mm macro lens. APS-C sensor size, crop factor 1.5, so similar to your Canon 60D. I use a couple of 52 mm extension rings between the lens and the ES-1, to get the negative to the correct distance, otherwise it will be cropped. Works great!
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