Hold off on the M10, Konost coming end of 2017
Old 02-13-2017   #1
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Hold off on the M10, Konost coming end of 2017

Hopefully...

http://konost.com/2016/12/24/2016-wh...ure-of-konost/

"...Despite all this, we actually have a very exciting future ahead. We’ve switched to a custom sensor, one that has been designed and manufactured specifically for the Konost cameras. This allows our business model to be more cost effective, increase our margins, and provide competitively priced full-frame digital cameras.

We have also been able to work out key strategic alliances, partners, and funding, which will help us bring our products to the market. Additionally, our team has grown significantly in experience, talent, and headcount.

This will push production versions of the Konost rangefinders to Q3-Q4 of 2017. We’re still working on releasing limited edition beta versions of the rangefinder in the first half of 2017. Despite the delay in launching, we’ve actually been able to cross major hurdles in order to move forward in creating amazing cameras.

We thank everyone who’s written to us and supported us along the way. Please subscribe to our newsletter to stay up to date with our progress as 2017 will be a very big year."
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DEFINITELY hopeful!

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Hopefully...

http://konost.com/2016/12/24/2016-wh...ure-of-konost/

"...Despite all this, we actually have a very exciting future ahead. We’ve switched to a custom sensor, one that has been designed and manufactured specifically for the Konost cameras. This allows our business model to be more cost effective, increase our margins, and provide competitively priced full-frame digital cameras.

We have also been able to work out key strategic alliances, partners, and funding, which will help us bring our products to the market. Additionally, our team has grown significantly in experience, talent, and headcount.

This will push production versions of the Konost rangefinders to Q3-Q4 of 2017. We’re still working on releasing limited edition beta versions of the rangefinder in the first half of 2017. Despite the delay in launching, we’ve actually been able to cross major hurdles in order to move forward in creating amazing cameras.

We thank everyone who’s written to us and supported us along the way. Please subscribe to our newsletter to stay up to date with our progress as 2017 will be a very big year."
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Old 02-13-2017   #3
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Uh...sure...yup..they are going to go head to head w/Leica..
I'm going to feed my unicorn now..lol..
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Old 02-13-2017   #4
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Uh...sure...yup..they are going to go head to head w/Leica..
I'm going to feed my unicorn now..lol..
Wow, you have a unicorn?

(The company never said it was going head to head with anyone)
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Old 02-13-2017   #5
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Uh...sure...yup..they are going to go head to head w/Leica..
I'm going to feed my unicorn now..lol..
How much does that M shooting A7 eat?

6600 leaves plenty of room for a nice small M body. Splash of M10 does not hurt one bit.
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Uh...sure...yup..they are going to go head to head w/Leica..
I'm going to feed my unicorn now..lol..
do not feed it tuna.
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What will be the cost?
Is there a chance to try one out to report about it?
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Uh...sure...yup..they are going to go head to head w/Leica..
I'm going to feed my unicorn now..lol..
Can you collect it's farts so we can make some more Noctilux's?

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Fart jokes aside, It will need to be no more expensive that the A7 to any real impact, unless it works as good as the M10 with wides, in which case they still need to get it in under the price of a used M240 (and ideally under the price of a used M9).

I'd buy a used M9 that I know I can send to be repaired in a few years if need be, over an unknown product from an unknown company with unknown repairability or resale. It's an uphill battle.
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Old 02-13-2017   #10
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A used M9 sells these days for $2500.
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Old 02-13-2017   #11
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Might not be bad to have some competition, or can push leica to be more innovative.

I personally still hopeful to see M5 style of viewfinder and shutter speed dial... that to me offers the best RF shooting experience.
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Old 02-13-2017   #12
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Who is going to produce a 'custom sensor' (full-frame, no less) in the tiny numbers this camera will require?
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Who is going to produce a 'custom sensor' (full-frame, no less) in the tiny numbers this camera will require?
I will.
I sent them a link to my kickstarter.
I need $500,000 to setup my production line to start shipping sensors @ $500/piece.
Don't worry I have all the kinks worked out in my POC, and lots of experience.
I'm totally gonna be shipping by November.
Also check out all the cool rewards I give to people that contribute more than $500.
For $10,000 you get a cool hat.
For $100,000 I will invite you to come visit me and have coffee.

Did I mention I'm totally going to be shipping this year?
Just get me that $500k.
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Old 02-13-2017   #16
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How long has this extended product launch been now? :-)

Their current FAQ is a gem:

"Is the design finalized?
No, we’re still iterating the aesthetics, UI, and overall product design based on testing and feedbacks. If you have any suggestions, or even want to help with the design process, please contact us."
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You should have told me about this before.
Old 02-13-2017   #17
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Smile You should have told me about this before.

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I will.
I sent them a link to my kickstarter.
I need $500,000 to setup my production line to start shipping sensors @ $500/piece.
Don't worry I have all the kinks worked out in my POC, and lots of experience.
I'm totally gonna be shipping by November.
Also check out all the cool rewards I give to people that contribute more than $500.
For $10,000 you get a cool hat.
For $100,000 I will invite you to come visit me and have coffee.

Did I mention I'm totally going to be shipping this year?
Just get me that $500k.
Hey...its a shame you didnt mention this before. Lets hope it happens.
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Old 02-13-2017   #18
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Would be nice if they released a bit more specific info / pics now and then. I'd like to stick one of their sensors in the backdoor of a bessa, that would be easier and more lucrative than building a whole new camera. If they do get that sensor made, that would be a huge achievement. Have to admit, designing high-end equipment without financial lubricant is difficult, especially in a dying market with a huge team.
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Old 02-13-2017   #19
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Well, if they pull it off.....we shall see the actual premium being charged for the real Leica.

It seems , however, improbably and implausible. I guess that's why we are pulling for Konost.
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I will.
I sent them a link to my kickstarter.
I need $500,000 to setup my production line to start shipping sensors @ $500/piece.
Don't worry I have all the kinks worked out in my POC, and lots of experience.
I'm totally gonna be shipping by November.
Also check out all the cool rewards I give to people that contribute more than $500.
For $10,000 you get a cool hat.
For $100,000 I will invite you to come visit me and have coffee.

Did I mention I'm totally going to be shipping this year?
Just get me that $500k.
I assume the setup costs need to be paid every 100 sensors? Sounds like a good deal!
For $10,000 do I still get to buy the coffee?
Amazing deal!
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I assume the setup costs need to be paid every 100 sensors? Sounds like a good deal!
For $10,000 do I still get to buy the coffee?
Amazing deal!
Yes, but for $20,000 I buy the coffee!
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Home Depot seems to sell "everything", so ...
Loewe is catching up!
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Old 02-14-2017   #23
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A used M9 sells these days for $2500.
And for that you can get two used A7IIs. Sure, the wides might not be what the M9 offers for M glass, but IBIS and high ISO more than make up for it...
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Old 02-14-2017   #24
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...I'd like to stick one of their sensors in the backdoor of a bessa, that would be easier and more lucrative than building a whole new camera. If they do get that sensor made, that would be a huge achievement.
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It would not be easier.

The physical restrictions of a body designed for film would be a handicap compared to designing a body with dimensions optimized for the sensor assembly's optics

The mechanical stuff is relatively easy. Just copy existing finder designs and outsourcing the production is relatively simple. Surely RF mechanism patents have expired. Shutters are nothing special either (especially if one is not tied to a certain body dimensions). Who knows maybe Cosina would sell them Bessa components?

The challenge is building a computer system from scratch. The task of assembly language development and testing is significant. Who designs the user interface? Who develops the processing engine? Using DNG raw as the imaging engine output would be smart since creating yet another proprietary raw file format is unnecessary.

Another huge task is sourcing a color-filter array and micro lens assemblies as well as cover glass/IR filter components from someone such as Fujifilm Electronic Materials. Perhaps whoever is supplying the sensor photo-diode array chip for Konost is also integrating the components into a complete sensor assembly. I would hope so.

I completely agree that building a digital imaging data stream from scratch would be a "huge achievement".
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And for that you can get two used A7IIs. Sure, the wides might not be what the M9 offers for M glass, but IBIS and high ISO more than make up for it...
I never said otherwise. Someone mentioned the Leica, so I posted its current used market value.
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Old 02-14-2017   #26
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By the time the Konost actually ships, I should be able to afford a used M10.
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And for that you can get two used A7IIs. Sure, the wides might not be what the M9 offers for M glass, but IBIS and high ISO more than make up for it...
How does IBIS and high ISO make up for smeary pictures due to M lens/sensor glass incompatibility?
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By the time the Konost actually ships, I should be able to afford a used M11.
Corrected...
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Still the same model, just another rendering...woosh.
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You'd think they would have had a working prototype to show by now. All I see is the same similar rendering. I'll believe this when I see an actual working model.
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Jeez, so many think it takes one year to design and manufacture a camera from scratch. Why do so many seem offended by this?
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Old 02-14-2017   #37
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I don't think it's that people underestimate the task that Konost have taken on for themselves. More that they continually over promise and under deliver to the point where you can't really take them seriously.

They should probably shut up till they have something closer to production rather than piss people off by posting unrealistic time frames and then going silent for year at a time.
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Under deliver isn't the right term. That implies they have something physical or meaningful to deliver. Does anyone here have any reason to suspect that they are working on anything at all? They have done nothing but float the same or slightly altered 3D renderings around for a long time.
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The negativity in the thread is astounding. Why not wish these guys the best? I for one would like to see a viable, less expensive alternative to the grossly overpriced offerings from the bling specialists, Leica.
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I wish them the best. We are just joking about it. No negativity is implied.
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