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Do you use accessory finders?
Old 04-11-2010   #1
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Do you use accessory finders?

Do you use accessory finders? When and with what bodies / lenses?
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Old 04-11-2010   #2
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Sometimes I use the SuperAngulon without finder together with my M2. I seem to get the framing even if its not as convenient. Makes the camera less "bulky" though.
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Old 04-11-2010   #4
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When ever I'm using a lens my camera(s) doesn't have frame lines for.
Specifically, I use the FSU turret finder with any lens other than a 50 on my FED 4 and I use the dedicated finder for my CV 21mm on the FED and my Bessas--R, R2a, and L.
I also have specific finders for 35, 85, and 135. The 35 and 85 are FSU and the 135 is Komura. They are each fairly decent but I tend to use the turret finder more.
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Old 04-11-2010   #5
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Most of the time with 111F even for a 50. Leica`s 50 is better than an M finder including the M3.

for 135 on M2 or any .72 camera.

even 90 mm on later .72 models because the 90 lines are junk unlike the M2.

15/28 on any camera. 28 lines on any M are miserable to use.

I have a full set of 21/28/35/50/90/135 old metal Leitz finders. The 21 and 28 have become very costly, but I have had mine for 25 years and they were not that high then. Even have the leather cases for the 21 and 28.

At one point I purchased the 21/28 Leica zoom finder. Do not waste your money.
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Old 04-11-2010   #6
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Never used one but I'm thinking of getting the leica 35 for my M3.
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Old 04-11-2010   #7
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I use a 15mm viewfinder when I have the Voightländer 4,5/15 Super Wide-Heliar on my Bessa R3a, and I permanenty have a 25mm viewfinder on my Bessa L with its 4/25 Snapshot Skopar. Both very good lenses, and I still find this whole I-simply-do-not-focus-precisely-but-get-sharp-images-anyway thing fascinating.

I was even thinking about buying a digital camera and use it with an optical viewfinder -- but then found that I could get a decent, although not 'full-frame' DSLR (like the Pentax K-x) for less money...
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Old 04-11-2010   #8
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I use 'em whenever they're needed -- which generally means, when I'm using a lens for which my camera doesn't have a finder frame.

Sure, I sometimes shoot 'from the hip' without a finder, especially 15mm, and I'll also use ultrawides without a finder when my sole ambition is to get everything in; but generally, the better the idea I have of what's going to be on the film, the happier I am. Within the limits of rangefinder cameras' viewfinders, anyway.

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Old 04-11-2010   #9
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I use a finder whenever the lens demands it.
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Old 04-11-2010   #10
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I don't really like external viewfinders, but make an exception for the Mamiya 43mm f4.5 because its such a good lens. I've sold off all my other lenses that needed external viewfinders.
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Old 04-11-2010   #11
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Old 04-11-2010   #12
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I'm kind of addicted to the Leitz bright-line finders:

SBOOI on the IIIf w/Summitar
SGVOO on the M6 w/90
SHOOC on the M6 w/135
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Old 04-11-2010   #13
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Roger:

Perhaps I'm confused, but I remember reading one of your post some time ago stating that you didn't shoot 15mm, but you would have to give it a try. Obviously, you did, or I got you confused with someone else. I only go down to 21mm presently and to be responsive to the thread, no longer use my Zeiss Viewfinder, but rather my R4A. I was thinking of springing for the new 15mm in that I do want to use filters. How are you getting along with your 15mm? Curious as to your experience as a new user.
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Old 04-11-2010   #14
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Great accessories - couldn't survive without them

SBOOI with the O-series - which takes it from the worst viewfinder ever to the all time clearest sharpest 50mm finder.

Frankenfinder with the 21mm Summilux.
This lens encourages OOF/close in use where parallax estimation becomes a big problem.
This finder has a bubble which is great for horizons but I wish it also had a vertical bubble.
A bulky, ugly finder - but it does the job well.

Zeiss 18mm OVF with ZM18- brilliant sharp finder

Ricoh VF-2 with GRD-III a brilliant little 28mm finder

Hassy SWC/M finder with mirror to see the bubble on the camera.

Hassy wire frame 80mm with 501c - clips on to accessory rail.
A really nice lightweight accompaniment to the WLF.
Very useful for shooting out of windows in cars/planes etc. where the WLF is a issue.

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I do with a Zorki 4/Jupiter 12, I don't with a Koni-Omega Rapid M/60mm.
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I mostly use a 28mm lens on my M6 and a 21mm on my M8. The 28mm viewfinder lines on the M6 are just too difficult to use. I wear glasses and I can shoot without the glasses but the viewfinder seems too much of a push to be comfortable. A brightline finder works great. I shoot at hyperfocal distance settings usually so the rangefinder is not much of an issue. If I want to use the rangefinder in come cases I do and they shift my eye back to the brightline finder for framing the image.
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Old 04-11-2010   #17
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Yes. with my CV15 and 21 lenses. Most recently with a GF1 - 20/1.7 combo.
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Old 04-11-2010   #18
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With my Bessa T, always.

With my IIIc, often, even when using a 50; the CV 50 finder is brighter than the built-in 50 vf. The chrome 35/28 mini-finder is compact and easy to use on a barnack, I find.
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Roger:

Perhaps I'm confused, but I remember reading one of your post some time ago stating that you didn't shoot 15mm, but you would have to give it a try. Obviously, you did, or I got you confused with someone else. I only go down to 21mm presently and to be responsive to the thread, no longer use my Zeiss Viewfinder, but rather my R4A. I was thinking of springing for the new 15mm in that I do want to use filters. How are you getting along with your 15mm? Curious as to your experience as a new user.
Either I was unclear (or mistyped) or you're misremembering, because I've had the original 15 since it came out. I like it very well, even filterless, even on the M8.

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Either I was unclear (or mistyped) or you're misremembering, because I've had the original 15 since it came out. I like it very well, even filterless, even on the M8.

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Old 04-11-2010   #21
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Sometimes...
I have a 28mm VF, even though my M5 has a 28 frame line...
I wear glasses, so it helps when I need to compose a little more accuracy. If I don't use it, I am taking hip images with the 28mm.
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Old 04-11-2010   #22
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Zeiss 25/28 with the 25mm Biogon, especially on the M2 when I don't need to look in the camera's finder for exposure or even focus; and the SHOOC Leitz 135mm finder which has revived my interest in the 135 f4 Tele Elmar, even on the M6 which has the framelines but it's just not as good as the dedicated finder. Exposure and focus necessary in the Leica first. I suspect I'll get more of these. With zone focus and predetermined exposure it's the quickest tool to grab a shot.
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I only have 64KB memory, so misremember is the right choice.
64KB? Wow. I think I'm down to 64 bytes, and the little wires that thread through the ferrite loops are unravelling a little more every day...

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Old 04-11-2010   #24
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Voigtlander low level finder, and FSU/OPL turret finders.
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I use a finder with my 28 on both my M3 and M2. If I had a M7 or MP with the .58 finder then I wouldn't use one.
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Old 04-11-2010   #26
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Always with a Barnack, for 25, 28, & 35mm Cv lenses, and for the 50mm Summicron.

I use one with my M cameras for lenses wider than 28mm; and even with the 28mm on a .72 finder.

Somehow I feel less conspicuous using an aux. finder for street work.
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Brilliant point Rob F: it's like the camera was not really up to your eye, it's so quick.
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Old 04-11-2010   #29
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I use a finder for the 25mm snapshot skopar I've been using, and it's very clear, bright and easy to use (much brighter than the finder of my M4 in fact). The lens isn't rangefinder coupled so I only have to worry about zone focusing. My other lens is a 40, which brings up the 50mm frame lines on my M4. I usually frame for 50 but I kind of wish I had an accessory finder for more accurate framing.
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I use several VC VFs all the time and luv 'em. Just make sure to figure out a way to put a safety cord of some kind on it.....or you're gonna lose it.
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My RF is a Bessa-T, so that there's not much alternative to always shoot with an external finder mounted..
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Epson R-D1 and 90mm Konica Hexanon with a Varifocal Nippon Kogaku set to 135mm FoV. It also enhances the already good looks of tha camera in my mind.
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I use a finder for my CV 15/4.5 lens, wishing to improve my image composition. Yet, I'm not fully satisfied with the CV finder because it exhibits heavy barrel distortion. Makes me kind of wonder what I'm really getting on my negatives ...

I also use a Leica brightline finder for my 90/2.8 M-Hexanon - I love the finder's 1:1 magnification which allows me to shoot with both eyes open. This finder is ideal and is a joy to use for portraits when I want to see facial expressions very clearly (the image window defined by the built-in VF framelines is fairly small).

Other than that, the Hexar's built-in viewfinder with spectacle-compatible framelines for 28, 35, 50, 75, 90 and 135mm meets all my needs (I don't use a 135mm lens).
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Old 04-12-2010   #34
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Use the auxillary finders with my CV 21 or 25, and I have a CV 15mm finder that I use for my Vivitar 17 or 19 mm SLR lenses when I mount them to an S3 or SP body via my Amedeo S-F adapter.
My other lenses are all covered by the frame lines within the cameras' viewfinders.
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I use the frankenfinder on an M, a ZI SW and a Contax G2 for 21 and 16mm lenses. I use the Leica 18mm VF for the 24mm on M bodies- I much prefer the wider space around the framelines.
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Only when the camera doesn't have framelines for the lens I want to use or, in the case of my Leica X1, when it is too sunny to see the LCD.
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I have a Canon 28/3.5 on my Canon P - since there are no framelines available, I use a turret from the FSU. I need to use this lens more. It's my most costly, and perhaps second least used! (my Canon 100mm is the least used)
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My user is a 1934 Leia III, and usually I'm shooting a 35mm WA lens, either Elmar 35 or Canon 1.8, so my Nikon Vari-focal finder is probably fused to the Barnack by now.
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When I was a T and L shooter all the time. On my Ms only for the 25 & 15mm lenses. On my S2 with my 25 & 105. On my S3 only with my 25. On my GRD III all the time.

I get the greatest looks with a digital and older style Bright Line on her.

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If the camera viewfinder doesn't the focal length I'm using, I use an auxillary finder.
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