Go Back   Rangefinderforum.com > Cameras / Gear / Photography > Rangefinder Forum > Rangefinder Photography Discussion

Rangefinder Photography Discussion General discussions about Rangefinder Photography. This is a great place for questions and answers that are not addressed in a specific category. Take note there is also a General Photography forum.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes

Help me choose a film RF
Old 10-07-2018   #1
ampguy
Registered User
 
ampguy's Avatar
 
ampguy is offline
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 7,020
Help me choose a film RF

After viewing many hundreds of photos taken with film in 2006-2010, I've decided I want a film camera again.

Really don't care about name or brand that much, but a small RF would be great. I like the M6s, but hate the reliability, always had to pay a few hundred for repairs. Is an M4-P or M4 the way to go?

Where's a good place to get a used one with warranty, KEH?
__________________
My photo blog

  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #2
Ko.Fe.
Kostya Fedot
 
Ko.Fe.'s Avatar
 
Ko.Fe. is offline
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: MiltON.ONtario
Posts: 7,386
Small RF is Leica IIIf. Less expensive in service than any M.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #3
fraley
Beware of Claws
 
fraley's Avatar
 
fraley is offline
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 480
The M7 has aperture priority which can be very useful.
__________________
My Gallery

Poem-O-Rama
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #4
CameraQuest
Head Bartender
 
CameraQuest is offline
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: over the hills from Malibu
Posts: 5,707
Nikon Rangefinders are quite simply more trouble free than Leica film rangefinders.

Take a good look at the Nikon S2 Black dial. Great with a 50, and you always have the option of other lenses.

Stephen
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #5
Veggies
Registered User
 
Veggies is offline
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 60
Is fixed lens off the table? If not, the Olympus 35RD is a great piece of kit. Also, if you want medium format, the Fuji rangefinders are great too.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #6
Phil_F_NM
Camera hacker
 
Phil_F_NM's Avatar
 
Phil_F_NM is offline
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Age: 43
Posts: 3,975
I agree that from the standpoint of reliability, without an already existing collection of lenses, a Nikon S2 would be just about perfect.

I've owned two S2 bodies and both were bought largely sight unseen, one with a 5cm lens, the other without a lens. Both hit the ground running and worked perfectly. I kept the one I got with a lens for a few years and sold the other one with a J-12 to a classmate. That camera still is used regularly and still works perfectly. I can't speak for the other that I sold to a member here on RFF.

The SP was my favorite rangefinder camera but that's a slippery slope. I had an S2 and SP at the same time. 5cm f/1.4 on the S2 and usually the 3.5cm f/1.8 or 10.5cm f/2.5 on the SP.
The later (majority of) SP models had titanium shutters like the Nikon F which were impervious to pinholes from the sun but could wrinkle.

Every Barnack Leica I have ever owned (four bodies total) has had to have an immediate CLA and two of them have had to have curtains replaced first thing. They are great little cameras with a collapsible Elmar. Fully professional level 35mm cameras and a system to back them up but they do take more maintenance than the Nikons.

If I were to get another Barnack these days it would be a Tower 5 (Nicca 5L). Loading like an M Leica, winder lever. The best of both worlds.

There are a lot of choices out there and you can't go wrong with many of them as long as you take care of that maintenance that many need.

Phil Forrest
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #7
Roger Hicks
Registered User
 
Roger Hicks is offline
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Aquitaine
Posts: 23,947
It always puzzles me how many people have/ have had unreliable Leicas. In almost 50 years of using the things I doubt I've had ten repairs.

The real enemy of old Leicas is gumming up from lack of use. Well, that and cheap'n'nasty "CLAs": see Leicaphilia on my old .com site, about half way down.

Cheers,

R.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #8
farlymac
PF McFarland
 
farlymac's Avatar
 
farlymac is offline
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Roanoke, VA
Posts: 6,235
Before you drop a lot of money on a high end camera, maybe you could give one of the fixed lens models a go, just to see if you will really like using a rangefinder.

Ricoh, Konica, Yashica, Canon, Minolta, and others made some nice cameras, even some with 35mm lenses. They came in non-metered, uncoupled meter, coupled meter, aperture priority, shutter priority, just about any type you could imagine. Choose from a standard size body, or compact.

PF
__________________
Waiting for the light
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #9
Sumarongi
Registered Vaudevillain
 
Sumarongi's Avatar
 
Sumarongi is offline
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 570
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Hicks View Post
It always puzzles me how many people have/ have had unreliable Leicas. In almost 50 years of using the things I doubt I've had ten repairs.

The real enemy of old Leicas is gumming up from lack of use. Well, that and cheap'n'nasty "CLAs": see Leicaphilia on my old .com site, about half way down.
Exactly -- unfortunately, too many Americans have *CLA* apparently in their genes, like *put everything into the clothes dryer*, *make your meal in the microwave*, and so on ...
__________________
**Any feature is a bug unless it can be turned off.** (Daniel Bell Heuer's Law.)
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #10
David Hughes
David Hughes
 
David Hughes's Avatar
 
David Hughes is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,475
One of the differences between Nikon and the Barnacks could just be the age of the cameras. Many of us are shooting with 30's Leicas and it seems reasonable, to me at least, that they might just need a bit of attention from time to time.

Regards, David
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #11
davidnewtonguitars
Family Snaps
 
davidnewtonguitars's Avatar
 
davidnewtonguitars is offline
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Beaumont, TX
Posts: 1,390
I think the majority of CLA's are done because we are churning cameras and don't know the condition of what we are buying, so send it off the tech for good measure.
__________________
Leica M2 / 7artisans 35-f2 / Leitz Summitar
http://davidnewtonguitars.squarespace.com/
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #12
Ko.Fe.
Kostya Fedot
 
Ko.Fe.'s Avatar
 
Ko.Fe. is offline
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: MiltON.ONtario
Posts: 7,386
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Hicks View Post
It always puzzles me how many people have/ have had unreliable Leicas. In almost 50 years of using the things I doubt I've had ten repairs.

The real enemy of old Leicas is gumming up from lack of use. Well, that and cheap'n'nasty "CLAs": see Leicaphilia on my old .com site, about half way down.

Cheers,

R.
One repair every five years...

I don't know why it is like this. M3 ELC DS I had was with original C seal.
Yet, Fred Herzog told how his M3 broke numerous times back then.

My fifteen+ years old EOS 300 still works without repairs.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #13
seany65
Registered User
 
seany65 is offline
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,085
From personal experience I can't recommend Agfa Ambi Silettes at all.
__________________
An ever-growing amount of photo-stuff and a never-growing amount of photo-talent.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #14
View Range
Registered User
 
View Range is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 271
To continue the apples and oranges comparison, my Leica M8 is approaching 12 years old still without repairs. (It is a Lot 2 camera.) But my Nikon S2 does need a CLA because the slow speeds are inconsistent. My Nikon F had to be repaired twice. And I had to have my Nikon F3 repaired once for a mirror angle adjustment. Based on totally random hearsay evidence, Leicas are more reliable.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #15
Guth
Observational Documenter
 
Guth is offline
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 170
I used to pay more attention to reliability ranking for cars. Where can you find camera reliability ratings and how is this measured — do they go by number of images/rolls of film shot per repair incident or something similar?
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #16
splitimageview
Registered User
 
splitimageview is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,995
Pick up a Canonet. I have a few laying around, all serviced and ready to go...the entire camera would cost less than a Leica CLA.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #17
lynnb
Registered User
 
lynnb's Avatar
 
lynnb is offline
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Sydney
Posts: 8,487
If you can live with shooting without a meter, a CL with 40mm M-Rokkor or Summicron might fit the bill. Smaller than an M. The meters can be unreliable.
__________________
Lynn
happiest when shooting 35mm and 120 film
RFF Gallery
Flickr
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #18
maddoc
... likes film.
 
maddoc's Avatar
 
maddoc is offline
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: 名古屋
Age: 53
Posts: 7,303
Leica M4-2 would be my recommendation. That or the Leica M7 with optical DX reader and MP-style VF.
__________________
- Gabor

flickr
pBase
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #19
aizan
Registered User
 
aizan's Avatar
 
aizan is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Torrance, CA
Age: 37
Posts: 4,597
what's your budget?
__________________
Ugly Cameras
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2018   #20
ampguy
Registered User
 
ampguy's Avatar
 
ampguy is offline
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 7,020
Thanks for all the comments. I have used most of those mentioned except the Nikon RFs. My M8 did last several years with no issues. The M4P was OK, M6's needed CLA's, and upgraded non flare VFs. I'm done with fixed lens.

Here's the thing, I think I want an M mount, as I will probably want a V3, V4, or asph 35/2 cron as I've had before. Also, I want a 35 or 50 with absolutely no distortion. I don't want to edit my photos, and to be honest, I see distortion in almost all non cron lenses, including CVs, and even some summilux, and noctilux lens I've had.

If you have an M6 and you shoot hundreds of rolls a month, I'm very surprised if you've never had issues. M7 is too electronicy for me. M4-2s, aren't those cheaply made?
__________________
My photo blog

  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #21
David Hughes
David Hughes
 
David Hughes's Avatar
 
David Hughes is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,475
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guth View Post
I used to pay more attention to reliability ranking for cars. Where can you find camera reliability ratings and how is this measured — do they go by number of images/rolls of film shot per repair incident or something similar?

Hi,

Here's my thoughts; someone buys an old, secondhand camera on the internet and doesn't get an instruction manual and then starts using it. Not reading the manual means they could miss the warnings that are obvious to us users who know that 50, 60 or 70 year old cameras all have their little quirks and so they screw it up.

Or the age of the camera means it is worn and needs an thorough check etc by a technician but the new owner uses it and it gets worse.Then they go on the internet and say my camera has done this and people tell them how to repair it, regardless of the obvious. So they get the bread knife and sit down at the kitchen table to mend it...

Then they sell it and it starts again.

Worse still, people read about it and start warning others that all of them fail and so on.

In other words, what you read has to be taken with a large pinch of salt. Cameras, cars and cakes fail from time to time but that doesn't mean they all do. If you want the truth you'd need to speak to every owner and look in detail at the history of the thing. And so rumours about one old camera with one daft owner become the history of that make and model, and we can thank the internet and general stupidity for it.

It's unlikely that a firm that has been making cameras since the year dot and is still making them would turn out duds all the time and still be in business and profitable.

And long established firms will have churned out millions of cameras, so a hundred or so duds don't mean much in the overall picture, except on the internet...

Anyway, that's just my 2d worth.

Regards, David
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #22
olifaunt
Registered User
 
olifaunt is offline
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: New England
Posts: 259
Minolta CLE with 40mm Rokkor. Get one in near-mint condition (from an Ebay seller that has rave reviews) and you will love it. It will set you back $1,000 give or take, which is still less than the top 90s fixed lens cameras like Yashicas or Contaxes go for, and it is much more camera for the money in my opinion.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #23
mod2001
Old school modernist
 
mod2001 is offline
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Barcelona/Catalunya
Posts: 256
[quote=David Hughes;2839620]Hi,Here's my thoughts; someone buys an old, secondhand camera on the internet and doesn't get an instruction manual and then starts using it. [quote]


My personal favourite, and it gets even worse when YT blogger start over. @Eric Kim, you can turn off the flash constantly with a Contax T3, just read the manual

Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hughes View Post
And long established firms will have churned out millions of cameras, so a hundred or so duds don't mean much in the overall picture, except on the internet...
And quite often not even a hundred duds but just a few or in worst case just one and the crap gets copied and copied and copied and...

Juergen
__________________
Nikon F3 / Nikkor 50mm/f1.2 AIS / Nikkor 28mm/f2.0 AIS / Black Contax T3
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #24
Out to Lunch
Registered User
 
Out to Lunch's Avatar
 
Out to Lunch is offline
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Vietnam
Posts: 5,397
What about having a look at the Bessa R3A or R3M and the Zeiss-Ikon ZI. The only issue I've had with the M6 is that the battery cover propelled itself off the camera in a very dark place with me spending 3 hours recovering it. Who shoots hundreds of rolls a month? Not me.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #25
Filter Factor
Registered User
 
Filter Factor is offline
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 78
If buying new is an option, perhaps a Leica MP or an M7 if one can be found still in stock? Nikon F6 if an SLR isn't completely out of the question. Occasionally the excellent Fujifilm GF670 120 camera can be found, new-old-stock. For that matter, it you're willing to venture beyond the familiarity of traditional film types, Fujifilm's Instax line are tremendous cameras too. 6.6 million buyers last year can't be wrong!


Cheers, Robert
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #26
Roger Hicks
Registered User
 
Roger Hicks is offline
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Aquitaine
Posts: 23,947
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko.Fe. View Post
One repair every five years...

I don't know why it is like this. M3 ELC DS I had was with original C seal.
Yet, Fred Herzog told how his M3 broke numerous times back then.

My fifteen+ years old EOS 300 still works without repairs.
Ni, I said I doubt I've had 10 repairs in 50 years. In other words, not as many as 10.

Thinking back, one was the result of a cretin at LAX airport letting my then-new M4P bounce down a metal roller at the end of the X-ray machine, thereby cracking the viewfinder glass. One was a jammed M2. Two were my 1936 IIIa: neither successful.

I think that may be it, though I've had a couple of lens repairs (focusing lever loose on a 25 year old 35 Summilux, barrel failing to lock on an almost new 90/4 Collapsible) and I must have counted these in with the "under 10". Admittedly there's another repair I need now: the strap lug pulled out of my 50-year-old M2. So call it four/five actual camera repairs in 50 years.

Cheers,

R.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #27
Ko.Fe.
Kostya Fedot
 
Ko.Fe.'s Avatar
 
Ko.Fe. is offline
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: MiltON.ONtario
Posts: 7,386
Quote:
Originally Posted by ampguy View Post
....The M4P was OK....
If you have an M6 and you shoot hundreds of rolls a month, I'm very surprised if you've never had issues. M7 is too electronicy for me. M4-2s, aren't those cheaply made?
I'll be surprised if any film M wouldn't have any issues. The only photog at this rate of shooting film M I knew was GW. He was bringing his M for service regularly and it was not just his two M4.

With M4-2 they removed something gold made in VF and added steel in the part connecting to the winder. They were also assembled with different approach from previous M assembled in Germany. M4-2 is not M4 in exterior finish, either.
My M4-2 needed new parts after hundreds of rolls withing three years. I don't know how many rolls this camera took during previous twenty years. It came to me in user condition.

I had M4-P and it was kind of toyish camera until I have seen M6 for first time. To be honest, I didn't realized it was Leica, so toyish it was at first appearance to me.

IMO, most reliable film Leica is new film Leica. A.K.A. M-A.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #28
Ted Striker
Registered User
 
Ted Striker's Avatar
 
Ted Striker is offline
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 802
Quote:
Originally Posted by ampguy View Post
Thanks for all the comments. I have used most of those mentioned except the Nikon RFs. My M8 did last several years with no issues. The M4P was OK, M6's needed CLA's, and upgraded non flare VFs. I'm done with fixed lens.

Here's the thing, I think I want an M mount, as I will probably want a V3, V4, or asph 35/2 cron as I've had before. Also, I want a 35 or 50 with absolutely no distortion. I don't want to edit my photos, and to be honest, I see distortion in almost all non cron lenses, including CVs, and even some summilux, and noctilux lens I've had.

If you have an M6 and you shoot hundreds of rolls a month, I'm very surprised if you've never had issues. M7 is too electronicy for me. M4-2s, aren't those cheaply made?
Zeiss Ikon- M mount and has THE most glorious viewfinder ever made in a 35mm rangefinder. I dearly regret not buying one new when I had the chance.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #29
splitimageview
Registered User
 
splitimageview is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,995
No Ms are 'cheaply made,' they are either well-cared for or abused or something in between. Any well-cared for M4-2 will be as reliable as any other well-cared for M.

Pick the features you want, and buy one that checks out, or have it serviced, and you'll essentially be acquiring a new camera, one that operates the same today as it did when it left the factory decades ago.

As for me, I've owned them all, and now shoot either Barnacks if I want the Leica experience, or the Hexar RF if I want easy load, modern fast shutter and flash sync, at much less cost than any pristine M.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #30
Roger Hicks
Registered User
 
Roger Hicks is offline
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Aquitaine
Posts: 23,947
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hughes View Post
Hi,

Here's my thoughts; someone buys an old, secondhand camera on the internet and doesn't get an instruction manual and then starts using it. Not reading the manual means they could miss the warnings that are obvious to us users who know that 50, 60 or 70 year old cameras all have their little quirks and so they screw it up.

Or the age of the camera means it is worn and needs an thorough check etc by a technician but the new owner uses it and it gets worse.Then they go on the internet and say my camera has done this and people tell them how to repair it, regardless of the obvious. So they get the bread knife and sit down at the kitchen table to mend it...

Then they sell it and it starts again. . . .
Dear David,

Well, yes. Or maybe they buy it and just don't use it, so that the mechanism gums up as the lubricants dry out. In Five Leicas on my .eu site, all five need something between a minor repair and a proper overhaul. The crazy thing is that the worst looking, the M3, would benefit most from (i.e. last longest after) a proper rebuild, but is least likely to get one, while plenty would waste money on a "CLA" for the M6 when only a minor repair is needed.

Cheers,

R.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #31
jawarden
Registered User
 
jawarden is offline
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 411
Quote:
Originally Posted by ampguy View Post
Thanks for all the comments. I have used most of those mentioned except the Nikon RFs. My M8 did last several years with no issues. The M4P was OK, M6's needed CLA's, and upgraded non flare VFs. I'm done with fixed lens.

Here's the thing, I think I want an M mount, as I will probably want a V3, V4, or asph 35/2 cron as I've had before. Also, I want a 35 or 50 with absolutely no distortion. I don't want to edit my photos, and to be honest, I see distortion in almost all non cron lenses, including CVs, and even some summilux, and noctilux lens I've had.

If you have an M6 and you shoot hundreds of rolls a month, I'm very surprised if you've never had issues. M7 is too electronicy for me. M4-2s, aren't those cheaply made?
Zeiss Ikon has 35 and 50 frame lines and the best viewfinder in the business. If you want no distortion the ZM 35mm f2.0 comes to mind.
__________________

  Reply With Quote

Old 10-08-2018   #32
David Hughes
David Hughes
 
David Hughes's Avatar
 
David Hughes is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,475
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Hicks View Post
Dear David,

Well, yes. Or maybe they buy it and just don't use it, so that the mechanism gums up as the lubricants dry out. In Five Leicas on my .eu site, all five need something between a minor repair and a proper overhaul. The crazy thing is that the worst looking, the M3, would benefit most from (i.e. last longest after) a proper rebuild, but is least likely to get one, while plenty would waste money on a "CLA" for the M6 when only a minor repair is needed.

Cheers,

R.
Hi,

Thanks for adding that; I should have mentioned it and the cameras left in cars in sun in the summer.

I was thinking about it today and suddenly realised that the most maligned RF camera is the poor old FED 1 but it never had an instruction book in English, only Russian. So that helps explain a lot of the abuse it gets physically and typed on the www.

OTOH, I might just have missed the English edition but I think I dig pretty deep (fuzzy logic etc) when searching for things.

Regards, David
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-09-2018   #33
Guth
Observational Documenter
 
Guth is offline
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 170
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hughes View Post
Anyway, that's just my 2d worth.

Regards, David
Thanks David. I was thinking that there might be some sort of independent lab or consumer oriented outfit that's actually performed documented testing on cameras over the years that I wasn't aware of. (It seems like such tests exist for most anything else you can buy.) But I do catch your drift.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-09-2018   #34
David Hughes
David Hughes
 
David Hughes's Avatar
 
David Hughes is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,475
Hi,

I don't think anyone who is both independent and able to test properly has tested cameras over the long term. You can look in magazines and get some sort of account of the cameras but they all do the tests differently and then people will buy cameras and use them; some use them a lot and some a little and some take great care of them and still manage to drop them. So unless you get a complete version of an aircraft's flying log you don't know what you are getting with a second-hand camera.

Best in my opinion is to buy a good looking one and send it off for testing and any repairs to one of the experts. Or buy one with a guarantee and immediately put a film or two through it. Slide film is best but that brings other variables into the equation.

BTW, don't expect dealers to sell one that's been tested with film etc. It's a pity but a film test is the only way to sort out some problems and they leave that to you in my experience. My guess is that they expect a few back and price accordingly and check the obvious. But "the obvious" varies according to their technician's experience...

Regards, David

PS Oops I nearly forgot to say that everyone should get the instruction manual that came with the camera but judging by the number that are sold without one, they don't bother. Sometimes I have had to pay more for the instruction book than the camera cost but I do like to hunt for bargains.The same applies to lens caps and lens hoods, look at pre-war Contax ones for a shock.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-09-2018   #35
presspass
filmshooter
 
presspass is offline
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,222
I've shot M6s for years - ever since they first came out. I've had one repair - the bottom plate somehow became distorted and would let the frame counter reset in the middle of a roll. Took two tries to get it fixed. Other than that, they work fine, day after day, week after week. Other than that, an even older M4 that now needs a complete new cover - all the vulcanite has come off in pieces. It will probably get a CLA at the same time since that's never been done with this camera. The one thing Leicas don't like is being dropped. The camera will be fine, but the rangefinder will probably be off. If you don't mind an orphan, the ZI is, as was said above several times, the best ever viewfinder.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-09-2018   #36
jawarden
Registered User
 
jawarden is offline
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 411
For those interested here's a comparison between the ZI and an M3. The ZI viewfinder is bigger, brighter and more accurate color. The ZI isn't a "better" camera than the Leica, but for me it's much more fun to use so the Leica sits in a drawer, mostly.

__________________

  Reply With Quote

Old 10-09-2018   #37
Ted Striker
Registered User
 
Ted Striker's Avatar
 
Ted Striker is offline
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 802
Sigh......now I REALLY regret not buying a Zeiss Ikon when I had the chance. I held it in my hand for god's sake!!!
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-10-2018   #38
tunalegs
Pretended Artist
 
tunalegs's Avatar
 
tunalegs is offline
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,565
Quote:
Originally Posted by ampguy View Post
After viewing many hundreds of photos taken with film in 2006-2010, I've decided I want a film camera again.

Really don't care about name or brand that much, but a small RF would be great.
Smena 8m.

Get out of your comfort zone, change your thinking, your vision, and see what happens.

I mean, yes, I see your other comments in this thread, but I like the idea in your first post better. You want a film camera, don't care about the brand, and a small RF would be great. Go with that thought - that's a good idea! Of course the Smena 8m doesn't have a rangefinder, but it shoots film, and it's small, and it's a brand to not care about, for better or worse.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-10-2018   #39
Sumarongi
Registered Vaudevillain
 
Sumarongi's Avatar
 
Sumarongi is offline
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 570
Quote:
Originally Posted by tunalegs View Post
Smena 8m.

Get out of your comfort zone, change your thinking, your vision, and see what happens.

I mean, yes, I see your other comments in this thread, but I like the idea in your first post better. You want a film camera, don't care about the brand, and a small RF would be great. Go with that thought - that's a good idea! Of course the Smena 8m doesn't have a rangefinder, but it shoots film, and it's small, and it's a brand to not care about, for better or worse.
Well, not entirely true, there's just no built-in RF, but: one can add a *Blik*
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Blik
__________________
**Any feature is a bug unless it can be turned off.** (Daniel Bell Heuer's Law.)
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-10-2018   #40
tunalegs
Pretended Artist
 
tunalegs's Avatar
 
tunalegs is offline
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumarongi View Post
Well, not entirely true, there's just no built-in RF, but: one can add a *Blik*
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Blik
Yeah, but that's fancy territory. You might as well buy a Leica at that point!
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 19:57.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.