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Old 06-13-2018   #1
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There ought to be a Leica M10 Law that Says..

EVERY Leica fan MUST have their own M10 .. its that good.

No M10 can NOT be sold without the M10's digital visoflex ... the options that visoflex adds are HUGE.

EVERY M10 owner MUST also own and use a film Leica in order to fully appreciate the past and future of Leica photography.

No Leica M can leave the factory without the wonderful engraved Leica Script on the top plate.
That means repaired Leicas without the Leica script would get new engraved Leica script top plates as a public service to all personkind.

That stupid ugly Red Dot must be replaced by the better looking Black Dot.

Leica reviewers who are bad photographers MUST be totally ignored regardless of their technical excellence.
If all their smarts did not help their photography, what good are they?

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The M10-P took care of my M10 gripes nicely, and even added a marvelously quiet shutter - quieter than even the M film shutter!!
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Old 06-13-2018   #2
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I bought my M-A in black because it does not have any markings - including the Leica Script. (The chrome version has all sorts of gaudy filigree.)
This way people say 'hey, instead of buying that Fuji you coulda had a Leica'...
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Old 06-13-2018   #3
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Was this supposed to be funny?
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Old 06-13-2018   #4
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The rule is incomplete.
You have to get SL or at least T in addition to the list in OP.
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So... it's the Leica M10 Commandments, engraved on brass tablets?
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Dourbalister, really enjoying the puns you insert everywhere.
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Dourbalister, really enjoying the puns you insert everywhere.
Haha, thanks, glad you... Leica them. I know, I know, too easy.
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I'm a Leica fan, but a digital Leica? Never.


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Old 06-14-2018   #9
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I'm a Leica fan, but a digital Leica? Never.


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Right! Ya can't be a real fan if you've got a digileica.
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Old 06-14-2018   #10
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...that there is no such camera as a 'Barnack'.
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That stupid ugly Red Dot must be replaced by the better looking Black Dot.
Ditch the dot.
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No Leica M can leave the factory without the wonderful engraved Leica Script on the top plate.

Yes! Finally a Leica rule I can agree with.
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Old 06-14-2018   #13
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A friend now shooting a major story in M.E. and I have often discussed a "digital: Leica.
The final judgement is a NO!
Too soon obsolete, lack of reasonable service and adjustments in timely manner.
We both love our film Leica, which is a money maker in his case.
I am retired so no needless expenses and all too soon obsolete.
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Old 06-14-2018   #15
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And Leica must replace the undersized 50mm framelines on all cameras that have them, with properly sized ones. And no Leica shall leave the factory with framelines sized for the minimum distance of 0.7M. All framelines shall be sized for the 2M distance, as they were on the M8.2. Photographers wishing to photograph at 0.7M should get an SLR (which should be provided, upon request, with every rangefinder sold).

Leica sold with a red dot must be sold at a 90% discount, to compensate the buyer for the advertising value of the dot.

All expenses for the above to be absorbed by Donald Trump.
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Guess what, people then would have to pay big for a Red Dot.
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Agreed.
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I'll take that M10...
And sell it. I have my M4 and with that I'm happy.

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Old 06-14-2018   #19
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Those of us who are true devotees and have the secret Leitz tatoo get to shop in the special Leica store, where they offer two year home try outs and 90% discounts on purchases.
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The first law of Leica says “make sure you spell Leica” correctly... And be nice to her...

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A friend now shooting a major story in M.E. and I have often discussed a "digital: Leica.
The final judgement is a NO!
Too soon obsolete, lack of reasonable service and adjustments in timely manner.
We both love our film Leica, which is a money maker in his case.
I am retired so no needless expenses and all too soon obsolete.
Whats M.E.?
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A friend now shooting a major story in M.E. and I have often discussed a "digital: Leica.
The final judgement is a NO!
Too soon obsolete, lack of reasonable service and adjustments in timely manner...
Although I really doesnīt care about what others mean I would bet there is a huge number of photographers and other people
who would swear any film camera is much more obsolete than any digital cam.

But all other subjective decisions are highly respected regardless of this.

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...We both love our film Leica, which is a money maker in his case.
I am retired so no needless expenses and all too soon obsolete.
And I mean it is fair to say there are a lot (more?) photographers out there who view their cams, film or digital,
even so exactly as "money makers".

So all that has no direct connection to the questions of the threadopener

Just my 5ct.

But - what is M.E.?
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Whats M.E.?
Modern England?

Manchester England?
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The Leica Law that seriously needs to exist, is that all Leica products, being up-market/high-end/premium, must come with equivalent premium service and support. The current support is woefully inadequate for even the lowest end of the market.
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The M10 is so good. I love film but sometimes I need to have digital and that camera makes it slightly more enjoyable to use digital. The M10 checks off all the boxes more or less.
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The Leica Law that seriously needs to exist, is that all Leica products, being up-market/high-end/premium, must come with equivalent premium service and support. The current support is woefully inadequate for even the lowest end of the market.
This. 100%.
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Modern England?

Manchester England?

I interpreted it to be the Middle East. Iraq, Syria, etc.
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Manchester England?
That camera would have to be all red.
Which begs the question, why haven't we seen boutique Leicas painted up in the colors and crests of peoples' favorite football or rugby teams? I'd like a New Zealand All Blacks edition MP or MA with the feather. If we have to put a corporate sponsor, I want the old Steinlager logo, not the new Adidas one.
Liverpool FC would have a matching bag and every time you pull the camera out, Gerry and the Pacemakers start singing.

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So... it's the Leica M10 Commandments, engraved on brass tablets?
It depends, it was engraved on Zinc for 1984-2003

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The Leica Law that seriously needs to exist, is that all Leica products, being up-market/high-end/premium, must come with equivalent premium service and support. The current support is woefully inadequate for even the lowest end of the market.
Bahhhh!!

We need to make shiny buildings, not spend money on customer service.
Our core customers use their cameras as necklaces, so they never need service.

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Modern England?

Manchester England?
Middle Earth. He is photographing the secret lives of Hobbits.
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No M10 can NOT be sold without the visoflex ... the options the visoflex adds are HUGE.
The visoflex on a rangefinder is the equivalent of bumper-bowling and training wheels.
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Was this supposed to be funny?
So you sign up on RFF years ago to get tech help for your Zorki.
You get it.
No further inspiration to post until five years later you make a silly disparaging remark to the Head Bartender?

If that's all ya' got, go away.
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Leica law #1: All Leica products that leave the factory floor must be priced at or above $ two arms and one leg.
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1) nobody is allowed to buy a leica m unless they're actually taking advantage of its reverse galilean viewfinder and tabbed manual focus lenses (to scale focus by feel). otherwise you might as well be using a camera with a ttl viewfinder of some sort and lenses with autofocus or manual ones with no focusing tabs.

2) you must attend some classes or buy a book on how to post-process your photos so that they don't look like digital p&s dreck.

3) ditto for subject matter, composition, and editing.

4) ditto for history and criticism.
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The visoflex on a rangefinder is the equivalent of bumper-bowling and training wheels.
It's a very cool way to adapt SLR lenses.
I've particularly enjoyed using my Minolta 58 1.2 on my M. And my Petzval 58 1.9.
But for regular RF lenses, the RF is more 'natural', easier and quicker.
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1) nobody is allowed to buy a leica m unless they're actually taking advantage of its reverse galilean viewfinder and tabbed manual focus lenses (to scale focus by feel). otherwise you might as well be using a camera with a ttl viewfinder of some sort and lenses with autofocus or manual ones with no focusing tabs.

2) you must attend some classes or buy a book on how to post-process your photos so that they don't look like digital p&s dreck.

3) ditto for subject matter, composition, and editing.

4) ditto for history and criticism.
5) you must understand the difference between real patina, and fake patina. Unless it's the Lenny Kravitz reporter special, then it's cool.
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1) nobody is allowed to buy a leica m unless they're actually taking advantage of its reverse galilean viewfinder and tabbed manual focus lenses (to scale focus by feel). otherwise you might as well be using a camera with a ttl viewfinder of some sort and lenses with autofocus or manual ones with no focusing tabs.
Yes, scale focus by feel only. No looking! And it must be done well in advance of taking any photos.

No lightmeters! Exposure must be set by seat-of-the-pants experience, or, as per instructions printed inside the box of film. If shooting digital, carry with you an old film box if you haven't already memorized the recommended settings.

All film must be bulk-loaded (or re-loaded) into reusable Leica cassettes.
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I'm a retired machinist employed part time by the Wake Forest University Physics department to do small machining jobs. Last week I branched out and did a job for Biology and saw they had a Leica microscope. As I understand it the microscopes are a different company than the cameras but I had to ask. "How do you like your Leica microscope?" Answer. "Great microscope, horrible service." So it's not just the cameras. I'll keep my film Leica's. Digital Leica? Not for me. Joe
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Leica reviewers who are bad photographers MUST be totally ignored regardless of their technical excellence.
If all their smarts did not help their photography, what good are they?
Ignore them if you want but I do think they are still providing a valuable service. A lot of Leica users could not do any better. We are all at differnet skill levels but hopefully we are having fun and growing in our hobby/trade.
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