Which 28mm lens
Old 07-31-2016   #1
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Which 28mm lens

Mmm, I have a 35 Voigtlander at the moment, but I would like to get a 28mm lens as the other lens I would use once in a while (kind of want to shoot a project with it).

Thing is, I'm not one to afford an expensive Summicron 28 (I would rather save for the 35 Summicron), as I think 35 is my main lens...

Would there be a general sort of 28mm You would recommend I can use?
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Old 07-31-2016   #2
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Hi Sara the Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron is an excellent lens for the money, especially if you pick one up second hand. Ffordes have a few used ones at the moment. http://www.ffordes.co.uk/category/Le...es/Voigtlander
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Old 07-31-2016   #3
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As far as 28s go I'm a fan of the Voigtländer 28/3.5 but I don't like 28mm frame lines so I sold it
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Old 07-31-2016   #4
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I would love that Summicron. I have the tiny Elmarit ASPH. It is perhaps too contrasty but it is very sharp and good at dusk. It is the cheapest Leica lens new and cheaper still second hand. No doubt you can find something equally or more satisfactory for less.
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Old 07-31-2016   #5
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28 2.8 ASPH. 28 Ultron 28 3.5 CV . Look into the Zeiss M 28
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Hi Sara the Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron is an excellent lens for the money, especially if you pick one up second hand. Ffordes have a few used ones at the moment. http://www.ffordes.co.uk/category/Le...es/Voigtlander
Thank you Nigel! Looks good - why the ultron version specifically?
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If you have CV 35mm lens as main and OK with it as main lens, what is the logic to buy expensive 28 Cron for occasisional use?
Leica has made three usable versions of Elmarit-M 28. Cosina Vioghtlander has made the 28mm, two Ultrons and one Skopar. Zeiss has at least one 28. Canon made at least two 28, 2.8 and 3.5. Soviets made one interesting, Orion 15. And where are Kobalux 28 3.5 made in small quantities.
Each lens is usable for "general sort".
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If you have CV 35mm lens as main and OK with it as main lens, what is the logic to buy expensive 28 Cron for occasisional use?
Leica has made three usable versions of Elmarit-M 28. Cosina Vioghtlander has made the 28mm, two Ultrons and one Skopar. Zeiss has at least one 28. Canon made at least two 28, 2.8 and 3.5. Soviets made one interesting, Orion 15. And where are Kobalux 28 3.5 made in small quantities.
Each lens is usable for "general sort".
Ah no! I mean I don't want an expensive 28 lens hence, scouting for a cheaper option (for now!)
Just want to have a go at different things
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Old 07-31-2016   #9
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I have the Zeiss ZM 50 Sonnar and 35 Biogon and recommend you look at the Biogon 28/2.8. I don't have one myself but would buy one if I had a camera with the right framelines - I have M2 and M3 Leicas. Some discussion here:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...d.php?t=124632
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Thanks for clarification, Sara.
Elmarits M are also expensive. Inexpensive (in Leica, RF terms) and neat IMO is Color Skopar 28 3.5.
I'm also hoping to look for 28 soon, I agree what it is different from 35, which is also my main lens. And I have tried one 28mm lens already
Biogon 28 2.8 is next lens to look at if you want to have modern rendering, but it is twice expensive comparing to Skopar.
And old Canon Serenar 28 is also inexpensive and famous for use by Garry Winogrand before he switched to Elmarit-M 28.
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Old 07-31-2016   #11
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IMHO, the best value in 28mm is the Hexanon-M 28/2.8.
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Old 07-31-2016   #12
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Don't forget the pancake style 28mm's, they are small, light and good shooters:

Canon 28mm f2.8 or the f3.5
Nikon 28mm f3.5
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Old 07-31-2016   #13
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I find 28 and 35 a little too close together. The last few years I've slowly made the transition to Zeiss glass for my M shooting. Consider the 25/2.8 Zeiss. It's just wide enough to be a very noticeable change from a 35. After using it I can't image a better wide lens even against Leica's offerings.

For me the 21 is a little too wide. I have the CV 21/4 and it's fantastic. I also have the 28/3.5 CV and it's a nice lens for the money but I'm not enamored of its ergonomics.

With the 25 you can use the who RF window to estimate the framing.

Here's two with the Zeiss 25:



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Old 07-31-2016   #14
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IMHO, the best value in 28mm is the Hexanon-M 28/2.8.
Agree with this comment. The 28 mm FOV is my favourite and I have 3 lenses: M-Hexanon 28/2.8, Avenon 28/3.5 and Zeiss 28/2.8. In addition to cost they handle very differently, but I would say the rendering of these is more similar than, say, the much older Canons. For compactness the Avenon is best; it's my go-to travel lens. If choosing only one it would be the M-Hexanon. I've often considered picking up a 28/3.5 CV as they are so highly regarded (wasn't originally this way though) but prices are not really that much lower than the Hexanon so it's been hard to justify that purchase. It's only drawback is its larger size than the other two, but handling and build quality are the best of the three.

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Old 07-31-2016   #15
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Well, as a person who also seems to use 35 more often, I have a couple/few 28mm lenses in the cupboard.

Of my 28mm lenses, my v4 elmarit is my hands-down favorite. I nearly got the v3 elmarit, but a v4 came along at better price and I like the smaller size of the v4. But, being Leica lenses, none are "cheap". To me, the v3 elmarit has a look I really like, and its usually priced nicely for a somewhat recent Leica M lens.

Other than the elmarit, I seem to only have LTM 28's. The small, well-made Canon 28/3.5 is really a nice lens. Mine is haze free, but its still quite low contrast. Sharp, but low contrast. None of my other 28's impress me.

But I leave with my actual recommendation: The CV 28/2 Ultron. There are a few folks here on RFF who swear by this lens, and backed it up with some lovely photos. Search for the threads, you'll find them. In terms of bang-for-the-buck, it really seems to be the way to go. And, not being one to recommend a lens I've never tried....I had a day (actually 2 days) with said lens about a year ago. It was mid summer and very contrasty daytime conditions, so my images were really contrasty, but really sharp. I didn't get a chance to take advantage of f/2 during my test, but considering my other f/2 lenses, I know I would appreciate it!

Using a 28 in general. That's something you'll have to see if you like. I like it, but its not my primary "vision" with Leica's. Typically 35 or 50 for me. I also struggle to use 90, but there are times for that focal length too. Least we got choices, eh?
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Love the MS Optical 28/4 Perar Triplet. Not sure what the cost is right now but it is a tiny little pancake lens that does an awesome job. The only problem is flare and reduced contrast if you shoot into the sun.

You may also want to consider the Skopar Snapshot 25, if you can find one. They were very popular for quite awhile.
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Thank you Nigel! Looks good - why the ultron version specifically?
I guess primarily for it's speed, a very good value fast lens. This thread will tell you much more about it than I possibly could

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=62434
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Old 07-31-2016   #18
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I have the Leica M 28mm f/2.8 Elmarit ASPH and that's the lens I would recommend. It is extremely well made, small, lightweight, contrasty, brilliant and ungodly sharp. The current version has a screw on metal lens hood that stops at the exact right orientation every time you screw it on. No more plastic Toys R Us lens hood!

I had the older version of the Leica 28/2.0 Summicron (with the plastic hood) up until about a year ago. The new Elmarit 28 is a stop slower than the older Summicron lens I previously owned; still, the Elmarit is a better lens provided you can get by without the extra stop of speed.

The new Elmarit 28 is a superb lens for not a lot of money (compared to Leica's other 28mm offerings).
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i'd get the 28mm ultron in m-mount for the extra speed.
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Old 07-31-2016   #20
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There's also the Voigtlander 28mm 1.9. I had this lens but sold it after I bought the Leica 28mm Elmarit.

it would require an adapter as it's a screw mount lens (unlike the Voigtlander 28mm 2.0 Ultron which does not require an adapter) but may work for you.

Here's Ken Rockwell's take on the lens:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/voigtlander/28mm-f19.htm
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Old 07-31-2016   #21
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If you can find a Voigtlander 28/3.5 Skopar, it's a great lens: sharp, contrasty and solidly built. These are typically in the $450 range, I think.
The Canon 28/3.5 is another very nice lens, but lower contrast and gives an old-style color palette, if you like the look. Should run about $300 in good condition.
I'm also a big fan of the Minolta 28/2.8 M-Rokkor -- but it's hard to find one without spots in the front element, and it brings up the 35mm frame lines unless you have the mount modified. Clean and modified, might be as much as $500.
The Zeiss Biogon and Konica M-Hexanon will be more in the $800 range.
The fast CV 28s are much bigger than any of the above lenses, if that's a consideration for you.
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Since 28mm is my favorite focal length, I have lots of them, including Elmarit, M-Rokkor, Color Skopar, Elmarit, vintage Nikkor 28/3.5, and CV LTM 28/1.9.

My favorite, and if I had to choose only one, would be the CV VM 28/2, both on film and digital. Outstanding lens, technically almost perfect f2.8 and up, and you have the extra stop. And reasonably compact and mechanically very easy to use.

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I have the CV 28mm f1.9 and the results on my M240 are great 2.8 and onwards. It's stupidly soft less than 2.8.





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IMHO, the best value in 28mm is the Hexanon-M 28/2.8.
+1 also worth a look is the zeiss M 28/2.8
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If you're any fan of the Ricoh GR, Ricoh made a 28mm lens to the same design as the GR one in LTM and M mount I think
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The Elmarit would be my first choice, but I chose the Zeiss Biogon; if you shop you can get a good used one for around $600.

I like mine!

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Not to be contrary, but I'm a big fan of the V2 Elmarit-M. Shoot that, a summicron ASPH and a Hektor. I'm all over the effing place. They all do what they do. Some time spent at Flickr is my favorite means of making a lens decision. Just decided I have no interest in a summilux 75.
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There's also the Voigtlander 28mm 1.9.
I have this lens, it's very good both on film and the digitals I have used it with (Epson R-D1 and Leica M8). The only problem I have with the lens is its handling. I don't know whether the newer 28/2 is better in this respect, but it looks closer to the 35/1.4 which handles nicely.

Given the size of the lens and how little I use it, it might make sense for me to switch to a smaller lens (2.8, 3.5). I really felt the need for the speed with the R-D1, but it is now less important.
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I'm going to go wild and suggest another track here.

Is this for film or digital? I'm playing with the idea of a 28 myself to add to my rangefinder kit, but the price for a lens (and a separate viewfinder) keeps driving me back to my old film SLR cameras when I really want to shoot a bit wider than 35mm. An Olympus OM body with a 28/3.5 lens, or a Pentax body with their 28/2.8 (or either of the Canon or Nikon equivalents) will cost you very little and might be a better choice if this will not be a mainstream focal length for you and cost is a consideration. If you are looking for a lens to match your existing digital rangefinder then that's another story. Good light!
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Don't know what your exact budget is but the Voigtlander 28/2 Ultron is cheap brand new and the best bang for the buck in terms of fast wides imho. If you want something that's really good, a little more expensive but will hold value a little more then I think the Ricoh 28mm LTM GR lens with an M adapter is super cool and not something you see every day. Super awesome and unique lens. If you have a bit more money then the Leica 28/2.8 ASPH is awesome as well. I like the newest version with the screw on hood the best but if you wanna save a little money then the previous ASPH model is just as good but has the clip on plastic hood.
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If you can find a Voigtlander 28/3.5 Skopar, it's a great lens: sharp, contrasty and solidly built.
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Old 10-04-2016   #32
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I am looking at getting a 28mm, how much m6 viewfinder blockage do you get with the biogon, hexanon and voigtander 3.5?

I have seen that the ultron 2.0 is considerable.

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M-Rokkor 28/2.8 is a good option. It is a M mount lens with focus tab, the character is more modern than Canon and Nikkor


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The Kobalux (Avenon/Bower/Pasoptik) 28mm f/3.5 is a fantastic lens.
After I sold mine I went through maybe three other 28mm lenses and was never satisfied with them like I was with the little Kobalux. It has a character to it that I loved.













Then I found 21mm and the lenses like the Super Angulon and O-Nikkor...

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