Suzy Parker and Leica
Old 01-08-2014   #1
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Suzy Parker and Leica

I was doing some research on famous Leica photographers and I found a neat old picture of the 1950s model Suzy Parker with her IIIc. Apparently, she was taught by Robert Capa and was listed as a Magnum photographer! I took the original photo and took some artistic liberties- changed a few things and made an acrylic painting of her. Changed the camera to an M3

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Original photo taken 1953 by Peter Stackpole. For LIFE magazine.

http://thorstenovergaard.tumblr.com/page/10
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Old 01-08-2014   #2
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You could get arrested for being that beautiful !
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Old 01-08-2014   #3
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Beautiful Gal ...Beautiful Camera... Beautiful Painting
Capa as a Teacher...WOW !
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Old 01-08-2014   #4
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Original photo taken 1953 by Peter Stackpole.
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Old 01-08-2014   #5
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So you took, as in made the actual film exposure, the original photograph?

As such you are the holder of the copyright and have the rights to publish it here?

If not, perhaps you might want to revue the policies of this site with respect to republishing work copyrighted to others.
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So you took, as in made the actual film exposure, the original photograph?

As such you are the holder of the copyright and have the rights to publish it here?

If not, perhaps you might want to revue the policies of this site with respect to republishing work copyrighted to others.

Go back and read what he wrote, okay !
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EDIT: do a Google search for Suzy Parker images and count the pages of photos and copies of magazine covers. Then ask yourself how many of those posted images were paid for. Or . . . go to the linked photo (Thorsten's place) and see ho many times the image that Thorsten posted has been "reblogged" around the internet (paid for?)
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So you took, as in made the actual film exposure, the original photograph?

As such you are the holder of the copyright and have the rights to publish it here?

If not, perhaps you might want to revue the policies of this site with respect to republishing work copyrighted to others.

Yikes- just wanted to share - not claiming as original copyright holder. If you type "Suzy Parker Leica" into Google, it's the first thing that pops up.

As far as the painting goes I feel that I changed the original enough and yet still showed the source. Not profiting or looking to sell anything. That being said, I will remove if it crosses a line.
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So you took, as in made the actual film exposure, the original photograph?

As such you are the holder of the copyright and have the rights to publish it here?

If not, perhaps you might want to revue the policies of this site with respect to republishing work copyrighted to others.
Chill out. Nobody voted you Sheriff of the Internet.
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Thanks for sharing your painting!
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Thanks for sharing your painting!
Seconded. Very cool painting.
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Old 01-08-2014   #11
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I like the painting ! Thanks for sharing !
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Old 01-08-2014   #12
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I must say, the photo is striking as well...
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Chill out. Nobody voted you Sheriff of the Internet.
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Rule No. 6 - No Public Posting of Copyright Material
6) You will not upload, attach or post any material you are not the creator and/or copyright holder of. It is however acceptable to post links to publically accessible material.
I didn't make the rules. I do respect them. Do you?
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I didn't make the rules. I do respect them. Do you?
Seems like the nature of the web has changed quite a bit since rule 6 was conceived. Kinda stodgy. It's not like the original poster is presenting it as his own material, and the photo does have a LIFE watermark on it. Thanks for sharing.
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Nice painting
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Nice painting

but as a proud IIIc owner, I demand you give her back her IIIc
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Rules is Rules....true.

The OP should have linked to the photo instead of uploading it.

I'm not certain that we need to start the Spanish Inquisition over it though...

It's maybe a little kinder to say "Nice painting. Also you should have linked to the photo and not uploaded it as it's technically against the rules. Thanks for sharing your work."
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yes, technically there should be a link to the photo…but then there is that really big LIFE watermark in the corner of the pic…and yes, JSU might have been less caustic…

let's just move on...
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I should have done my research FIRST- I was a bit hasty. I have added the source info. to the original post and will provide the link as well. (It is however acceptable to post links to publically accessible material.)

Copyright is a big deal! Thanks for your patience...
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here she is
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here she is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRwyNB8VeQs
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yes, technically there should be a link to the photo…but then there is that really big LIFE watermark in the corner of the pic…and yes, JSU might have been less caustic…

let's just move on...
Have you ever depended on / expected stock photo sales for income?

A copyright is no trivial issue.

The interweb has killed, absolutely wiped out, residual sales for many professional photographers who banked their retirement on sales of their copyrighted images.

A watermark in an image does not imply a sale.

Caustic? How about plain, simple respect of another's effort and perhaps income?

And this from a moderator.

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Old 01-08-2014   #22
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I like the painting! Was she a redhead?
As for IIIc vs M3 - artistic license.
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I like the painting! Was she a redhead?
As for IIIc vs M3 - artistic license.
She was a redhead- with blue eyes- I read that her hair had a copper shine to it- I used a metallic copper paint.

Her older sister, Dorien, was also a well-known model, but some consider Suzy to be the first "super-model" At her peak, she was making $200/hour and over $100,000 a year.
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The interweb has killed, absolutely wiped out, residual sales for many professional photographers who banked their retirement on sales of their copyrighted images.
Since the photographer's been dead for 17 years now, I doubt he cares much about retirement funds or his photo being posted as inspiration for a painting. I also doubt Thorsten paid for the photo. So we can't upload a photo, but we can link to someone who did it for us instead?
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Since the photographer's been dead for 17 years now, I doubt he cares much about retirement funds or his photo being posted as inspiration for a painting. I also doubt Thorsten paid for the photo. So we can't upload a photo, but we can link to someone who did it for us instead?
Yep, it's all pretty illogical.
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Since the photographer's been dead for 17 years now, I doubt he cares much about retirement funds or his photo being posted as inspiration for a painting.
But the photographer's estate or heirs or family members may care a great deal.

Rule #6 is a good rule and I respect RFF for having the rule in place. That does not mean the "seething with anger" attitude is useful...

Anyway, we could discuss the Shepard Fairey Obama poster based on the photo by Mannie Garcia question... or not!
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While the painting is striking, I am much more enamored of the original photo, as it captures in an instant the beauty and allure of Suzy Parker.
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While the painting is striking, I am much more enamored of the original photo, as it captures in an instant the beauty and allure of Suzy Parker.
Absolutely yes. Suzy was a beautiful woman.

The OPs painting is a fitting tribute.
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