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Dust off your Hasselblads - iPhone Back
Old 09-19-2013   #1
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Dust off your Hasselblads - iPhone Back

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Old 09-19-2013   #2
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I failed to see the difference in iPhone photo vs iPhone through $1000 Hasselblad with CF Zeiss Planar lens, beside some vignetting.
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Bold, but I agree with Dave. I wonder if I could fit an RX100 in an A12...
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I wonder if it can possibly be so monumentally stupid as it seems.

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I wonder if it can possibly be so monumentally stupid as it seems.
I agree - its an awful big lump to put in front of a perfectly good iPhone.
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Thanks for the link. Easier to use than a Polaroid back for sure.
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This is a bit like the dog that bites a man news, the real news would be an IPhone, which can take pictures as good as a Hasselblad


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"film is expensive"

*drops $300+ on an iPhone accessory...

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"film is expensive"

*drops $300+ on an iPhone accessory...

Exactly...
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That's nuts!


The samples are crap, too...
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Waste of a good back.
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LOL! It looks like a lot of fun, and for less than the cost of a good condition A12 back if you already have a Hasselblad and an iPhone 4S. If nothing else, it will be a better way to previsualize a Hasselblad shoot than using a Polaroid back, and less expensive in the long run.

I've wasted lots of money on less entertaining things ... :-)

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I'm holding out buying one
until they have an iphone back for my 4x5 Technika.

why be stupid with a Hassy
when I can be stupid with a 4x5 ?

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Old 09-19-2013   #14
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Years ago, in the video/filmmaking world, someone did this same thing with creating a mount (Arri PL) for super expensive motion picture camera lenses, and had them focus on a ground glass screen, and then created a mount so that cheap camcorders could be attached and you could videotape the images off the ground glass. I think they even created a spinning shutter so they could videotape at 24 fps. "And it was just like shooting film with an expensive motion picture camera!"

Was a stupid idea back then, seems like a stupid idea right now.

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Actually I was hoping for an adapter I can use to mount my Hasselblad to the back of my D700 so I can photograph its LCD screen on film. That way I can undigitize and analogize my D700 output, since I often prefer film to digital.
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I wonder if it can possibly be so monumentally stupid as it seems.
So it seems...
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Actually I was hoping for an adapter I can use to mount my Hasselblad to the back of my D700 so I can photograph its LCD screen on film. That way I can undigitize and analogize my D700 output, since I often prefer film to digital.

Sounds like the birth of a "kickstarter" project to me.

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"film is expensive"

*drops $300+ on an iPhone accessory...

I believe we need a stronger dose:

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Any chance that this is a hoax?
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Any chance that this is a hoax?
I doubt it. Kickstarter has some pretty stringent rules, and it looks like they've already achieved their funding requirement. I've participated in five or six Kickstarter efforts, and they've all gone well.

$270 for a special purpose back that I can use to enjoy my Hassy more? Why not? What other purpose is there for my hobby money? :-)

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What other purpose is there for my hobby money? :-)
You could always send it to me, I can think of alot of better things to do with it.


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You could always send it to me, I can think of alot of better things to do with it.
then it becomes charity money, and that budget category is already filled...

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Old 09-20-2013   #23
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Wait, does this really make sense other than using it as a back to check exposure (and then again it's the iPhone app that determines exposure...).

You fit a big square magnifying lens (quality?) in the Hassy's body, then there is a screen 'made to simulate a coarse film grain'.

Then you got a wide conversion lens sitting in front of the iPhone's lens.

OK, I use my iPhone quite regularly and in good light the pictures are quite amazing (for a phone), but with all this additionnal glass..... I have to wonder.

EDITT: and VERY heavy vignetting on the sample pictures due to the projected image.... not good!
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Wait, does this really make sense other than using it as a back to check exposure (and then again it's the iPhone app that determines exposure...).

You fit a big square magnifying lens (quality?) in the Hassy's body, then there is a screen 'made to simulate a coarse film grain'.

Then you got a wide conversion lens sitting in front of the iPhone's lens.

OK, I use my iPhone quite regularly and in good light the pictures are quite amazing (for a phone), but with all this additionnal glass..... I have to wonder.

EDITT: and VERY heavy vignetting on the sample pictures due to the projected image.... not good!
Well, as they said in the Kickstarter info, the version of the screen they were showing pictures made with is their prototype. One of the things the funding will go towards is development of the back projection screen.

I think it's a darn cool concept and look forward to having a go with it, so I've signed on for one. Today I got an update from the team: they are working on compatibility with the SWC, which requires a change in their triggering software for the iPhone and an alternative back projection screen tuned to the SWC body's different dimensions. Essentially, the SWC needs a different focal length on the collimating optics due to the nature of the Biogon and its short primary nodal point distance. That will be an additional accessory.

This tells me that they're really working this out on a pretty serious level. Can't wait to see what they deliver! I'll use my Hassy's more ... :-)

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This makes me sick. And angry. hipsters who just don't get 'it'. And don't say that the 'it' is different for other people.
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This makes me sick. And angry. hipsters who just don't get 'it'. And don't say that the 'it' is different for other people.
LOL! Talk about some attitude ... ! :-)

Well, the gods of camera craziness have smiled. It took a while: A box was delivered yesterday with the Bad_Ass Camera "Hasselnuts" back in it.

First impressions:

- Very nicely packaged with minimal but complete information.

- Compatible with iPhone 4S and iPhone 5/5S. It would take some rework to bring it to iPhone 6 compatibility.

- The back itself is lightweight but has a nice feel and very nice finish. The protective cap for the back is secured with magnets (very slick) and the kit includes sleeves for the iPhone 4 and 5 generation phones that position their cameras very precisely with the lens system. The back fits my 500CM body very nicely. I haven't tried to fit it on the SWC yet.

- The Hasselnuts app seems fully compatible with iOS 8.1.

I might have time this evening to give it a first try. If it works as well as I hope, it should be a perfect match to also use with The Impossible Project "Instant Lab" and produce Hasselblad-captured Polaroid SX-70 type prints ...

I think this is going to be a lot of fun to work with.
Maybe I should schedule a trip to Amsterdam ... ];-)

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Darn. I was hoping it was a Hasselblad-to iPhone adapter so i could capture my iPhone images on a quality hi-res archival MF film format.
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So you bought one??!!

Wow, that's interesting. Be sure to share your iPhone photos when you get some.

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I would buy one as a composition tool for my SWC if the price is right.
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So you bought one??!!

Wow, that's interesting. Be sure to share your iPhone photos when you get some.

Enjoy.
Yes, I became a supporter on the Kickstarter project some time in 2013. I figured it was going to be an interesting thing to fool with if they succeeded. The project suffered many delays along the way, evidently mostly in the development of the back projection system's fresnel screen and optics: I'm glad to see that they have shipped their first batch of backs now.

Hey, how else can you buy a digital back for a Hasselblad V for $260? ;-)

I'm looking forward to making some photos with it, I'll certainly post what I get with it.

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I would buy one as a composition tool for my SWC if the price is right.
I had asked them if it would be compatible with the SWC when I signed up. They said, "Maybe..." the optics for the back projection screen would likely need to be a little different to handle the Biogon 38mm lens properly. And then there's the matter of how to trigger the iPhone—the SWC has a totally different operational vibration signature from the reflex cameras, the way they trigger the iPhone is to use the iPhone's GPS system and motion detector to determine when the shutter is open based on the Hasselblad cameras' motion in operation.

It will be interesting ... I'll certainly try it on the SWC and see if it works at all.

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Maybe I should schedule a trip to Amsterdam ... ];-)
Haha, great...
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I had asked them if it would be compatible with the SWC when I signed up. They said, "Maybe..." the optics for the back projection screen would likely need to be a little different to handle the Biogon 38mm lens properly. And then there's the matter of how to trigger the iPhone—the SWC has a totally different operational vibration signature from the reflex cameras, the way they trigger the iPhone is to use the iPhone's GPS system and motion detector to determine when the shutter is open based on the Hasselblad cameras' motion in operation.

It will be interesting ... I'll certainly try it on the SWC and see if it works at all.

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I hope there is a manual mode. Well if it is under $300 it would be still cheaper than the screen adapter. I am a 100% film user so the back will only serve as preview. Nevertheless I think this is a good idea for general use.
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this is so stupid... that I'm starting to lose the rest of faith in mankind that still has remained in my heart
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Is it really what you want to do with the beautiful 6x6 Hasselblad output?
Squeeze it somehow into a camera phone?
I don't get it.
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As we all know of course this is not a new idea:
https://www.flickr.com/groups/throug...ewfinder/pool/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through...er_photography

http://www.tzplanet.com/words/be-cre...-viewfinder/85


You can make it yourself easier by just taking a digital shot (by whatever digi cam) from the Hassy's or other cam's groundglass screen.
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LOL!

"Any subject which simultaneously brings on equal numbers of Yay! and Nay! responses must be interesting."

I think Richard Feinman said that to me once upon a time. :-)

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Just some test shots to see that this thing actually works:







All: Hasselblad 500CM + Zeiss Makro-Planar 120mm f/4 @ f/4
Exposure: Hasselnuts back + iPhone 4S

No modifications other than resize and add the border. :-)

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I hope there is a manual mode. Well if it is under $300 it would be still cheaper than the screen adapter. I am a 100% film user so the back will only serve as preview. Nevertheless I think this is a good idea for general use.
I think the retail price is going to be something in the $300-$400 category, assuming they make it to full production.

There's a "live capture" mode, which is what I used for the photos above. I haven't got time to see how well or poorly it works on the SWC just at the moment, but that will come.

I like the rendering it produced; obviously, I need to work on learning how to use it. It is a bit goofy, but a fun concept and, heck, I've seen lots of nice work done with goofier camera toys. ;-) It doesn't detract from using the Hasselblad the normal way ... just swap the film back into place and shoot away.

It's all good.

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Oh yeah: It made a couple of cool prints from the iPhone using the Impossible Instant Lab too. :-)
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