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View Poll Results: M240 at current market value
A safe bet. Buy it! 43 62.32%
It's about the same as any other digital camera. 17 24.64%
A money pit. Do not buy! 9 13.04%
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Old 03-01-2019   #41
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If I were thinking of getting an M240, I believe the greater size and weight that has been reported might be the issue for me. But as I'm a wide-angle kind of guy (mostly), a .68 finder is OK with me. I keep waiting for them to come out with a digital model with the .58 finder!

What is the widest frameline on the M240? If it's 28mm, it can't be a 0.85 finder.

Actually, I have noticed that some ergonomic issues that seem off-putting when handling/fondling/examining a camera are not a problem when actually using it. My M9 is bulkier than mp M6; but when it's time time to use it, I just pick it up and shoot. So maybe the M240 would be like that, too.
It is a 0.68 finder. Widest framelines are 28mm and they are fairly hard to see as you have to move your eye around a bit to see it all as the viewfinder is shadowed by the eyepiece a bit. 35mm is considerably better in that regard.

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Sometimes, as an observer, and an outsider (AKA film user with only a very dinky DSLR from 2007) I look into threads such as these. Please don't take this wrong but....these threads remind me one reason I've (mostly) stuck with film. My choices are so much more limited and simple.
Although digital has certainly matured, and apparently reliability has improved greatly, especially for high end cameras. I just cannot shake the feeling that digital are still 'short term' cameras. Something that, at least in the back of your mind, you have to calculate how easy it will be to sell and what you can expect to recover in selling price in 3 to 5 years.
Please let me reiterate, I'm not advocating for film, it's definitely yesterdays technology and I would not try to push it on anyone else anymore that I would push for a return to wet plate photography.
It's just that digital all seems so complex and my mind can't encompass it.
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I had an M240 loaner while Leica was repairing my M9. I liked the fact that I could take photo after photo quickly (of birds) with the M240. It is something that is impossible to do with the M8 or M9. The M240 is built like a tank. The Nikon F of digital Leica cameras. Tough. Big. Heavy. Reliable.
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Sometimes, as an observer, and an outsider (AKA film user with only a very dinky DSLR from 2007) I look into threads such as these. Please don't take this wrong but....these threads remind me one reason I've (mostly) stuck with film. My choices are so much more limited and simple.
Although digital has certainly matured, and apparently reliability has improved greatly, especially for high end cameras. I just cannot shake the feeling that digital are still 'short term' cameras. Something that, at least in the back of your mind, you have to calculate how easy it will be to sell and what you can expect to recover in selling price in 3 to 5 years.
Please let me reiterate, I'm not advocating for film, it's definitely yesterdays technology and I would not try to push it on anyone else anymore that I would push for a return to wet plate photography.
It's just that digital all seems so complex and my mind can't encompass it.

Film vs digital is so yesterday. And irrelevant to this thread. IMO.
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I absolutely hated the M8/8.2 and had a love-hate relationship with the M9 causing me to leave Leica in favor of Canon for a few years. Long-story short, I purchased my M-P 240 brand new in around 2014 and bounced headlong back to the Leica-M system - abandoning Canon forever.

The M-P 240 is not a perfect tool, but it has renewed my passion for the Leica-M. Colors were generally richer on the M9, but B&W conversions are as good or better compared to the original M-Monochrom. Video quality is mixed; picture is very good, but sound sucks. I've turned the video feature off completely.

At some point I will probably move to an M10-P, but I'm in no hurry to do so.
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I just bought a used M262 and so far I'm VERY happy with it. Not being able or wanting to buy new, I had to purchase used. But if you can find the right camera at the right price, I say go for it! I should say I was resistant to buy an M9 due to sensor/age considerations, but didn't have any real concerns with the M240/M262 in the same sense.
Yeah, the M262 never gets any mention, but I bought one new a few months ago. It doesn't have all those features I don't want. Flawless. It's a Leica. I'm happy.
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I also think the M262 is a great camera, and for me it's been the perfect digital transition from my M6.



It's pretty much the same weight, matt finish rather than lacquer, no extraneous features, good battery life. What's not to like.
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Old 03-24-2019   #48
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After my M8, the M(240) was the next digital M I bought.
Has worked great ever since. Love it!

(I was even able to adjust the rangefinder some days ago. Easy.)
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The Typ 262 being newer is more expensive than a vanilla 240...

Speaking of size & weight, the 240 is only 20 grams heavier than the M10. Thicker, yes, but not much heavier.
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The Typ 262 being newer is more expensive than a vanilla 240...

Speaking of size & weight, the 240 is only 20 grams heavier than the M10. Thicker, yes, but not much heavier.
And it's all in the battery...

(maybe, but the battery is much bigger)
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Old 03-25-2019   #51
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I am very happy with mine that I have used since spring 2018. My only gripe would be that it is a bit “fat”, but it is undeniably good “value” if what you want is a digital rangefinder. Bonus, the ISO performance is not bad at all – see the attached photo shot at ISO 1,600 last week. Reliability, well, it has not given me a heart attach a single time so far and my old M8 used to have weird issues every month or so.
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I was using a Sony A7R2 with a lot of M-Mount lenses and decided to take the plunge to get a MP240 in 2017. I ended up selling all my Sony stuff and use the MP240 exclusively for all my digital work. I never found ISO performance to be an issue. I dont baby the camera either so it has nicks and dings all over, but the RF has always stayed true and works like a charm. :3
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Old 03-26-2019   #53
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I'm inching closer towards a silver M-P 240. Traveling to Scotland later this year and don't feel like dragging a bunch of film along, so it's beginning to make more and more sense...

Hopefully somebody can talk me out of it. : )
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I got a rush of blood to my head a month or so ago and bought a black MP240 mostly because I have a good variety of M lenses for my m6. Now I think I’m gonna let my beloved Xpro2 kit go very soon. The Fuji feels like a toy after using the mp240 for a while now. GREAT battery life, 1 system for digital and film...fantastic.
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I'm inching closer towards a silver M-P 240. Traveling to Scotland later this year and don't feel like dragging a bunch of film along, so it's beginning to make more and more sense...

Hopefully somebody can talk me out of it. : )
Makes perfect sense if you have M lenses and want to use them on a digi body. Nothing works better than using them on a digi M.
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I got a rush of blood to my head a month or so ago and bought a black MP240 mostly because I have a good variety of M lenses for my m6. Now I think Iím gonna let my beloved Xpro2 kit go very soon. The Fuji feels like a toy after using the mp240 for a while now. GREAT battery life, 1 system for digital and film...fantastic.
I'm very seriously considering a 240 also. Do you think the M-P240 is worth the extra cash outlay over the M240?
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I'm very seriously considering a 240 also. Do you think the M-P240 is worth the extra cash outlay over the M240?
Iím not a digital Leica expert, so take my 2 cents with a grain of salt. I got a good price on mine that was a few hundred more than the standard M240. The biggest selling point to me was the larger buffer, but after shooting for a month I realize I probably donít need it. I tend to shoot it like my M6. Maybe itís a little odd, but I canít get used to the fact that I can shoot in continuous mode with a Leica. Lol . I donít necessarily care about the red dot being gone or the inscription on top either. To me, thatís a little gimmicky. The sapphire glass IS very nice I have to say. Overall Iím incredibly happy with it and Iíve said for a couple years that I would never get a digital Leica and was happy with my Xpro2. Iím likely putting the Xpro kit on the sale block soon.

I shoot daily with it, A LOT of my kids etc and not every shot is worth processing in Lightroom, but are great for sharing with family or social media, so I do actually use the jpg for that and have purchased a Toshiba FlashAir for this purpose. It works wonderfully for this purpose. (Keep the Camera in Live View for the transfer. If it goes to sleep the connection is lost)

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Thanks for your reply. I have been resisting a digital Leica for a long time also, but I finally came to the conclusion that I need to put my lenses to greater use. The price (used) and quality are finally at a point where I can justify the purchase to myself. I assume the sapphire glass means it's tougher and does not need a screen protector? And I have to admit, I like the aesthetics of the "P" model.
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I love my M240, but I really really wish it was capable of doing high ISO long exposures when out in nature.
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Too bad this needs to be asked.

Won’t say any more.
But only because of the M8/M9 issues... but the M240 hasn't had any major issues. Seems like the best value for a digital M to me.
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Now I think Iím gonna let my beloved Xpro2 kit go very soon. The Fuji feels like a toy after using the mp240 for a while now. GREAT battery life, 1 system for digital and film...fantastic.
Well, come on now... it feels like a toy because it isn't superficially beefed up with the finest of metals to feel like a mechanical film camera? Ok, but I've been using the X-Pro2 since day one and it has been reliable, feels right in the hands, and the fact that it weighs substantially less than M is a pro not a con IMO. That said, I'm not photographing in war zones, so YMMV.
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Well, come on now... it feels like a toy because it isn't superficially beefed up with the finest of metals to feel like a mechanical film camera? Ok, but I've been using the X-Pro2 since day one and it has been reliable, feels right in the hands, and the fact that it weighs substantially less than M is a pro not a con IMO. That said, I'm not photographing in war zones, so YMMV.
Which is why I am reluctant to sell it. It is a fantastic camera.
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Just a reality check here; what is the current "average market selling price" of a clean M240?
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I may have posted earlier but I purchased a mint black MP240 about a year ago. It has been used and not babied. I don't normally care about things like red dots but I like the plain black finish and frame selector lever.

I have not shot video but like having the capability and I find the EVF fun to use, especially with superfast lenses. It will be going around the world with me this fall along with a new Fuji X100F. I say go for it.
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Just a reality check here; what is the current "average market selling price" of a clean M240?
About 2,600. I've been shopping.
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Thanks. This is a reasonable cost for such a capable camera.
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I've been offered a mint M-P 240 right around $3k. Seems like good value to me.
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Yeah, the M262 never gets any mention, but I bought one new a few months ago. It doesn't have all those features I don't want. Flawless. It's a Leica. I'm happy.

When shooting for B&W conversion what do you feel is the max usable ISO of the M262? I've already decide that I prefer the M262 over the M240 due no video and that it weighs about 4 oz less than the M240. Now I just need to decide if the M262 is enough of an upgrade in max ISO capability from the M9 or if I should spend the extra $$ for a used M10.
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When shooting for B&W conversion what do you feel is the max usable ISO of the M262? I've already decide that I prefer the M262 over the M240 due no video and that it weighs about 4 oz less than the M240. Now I just need to decide if the M262 is enough of an upgrade in max ISO capability from the M9 or if I should spend the extra $$ for a used M10.
EDIT: (didn’t realize the ISO question was the 262, I’m referring to the mp240)
1600 and under for BW is good. 3200 is Still acceptable to me. However I don’t use a Leica for crazy high ISO perfection. I use it because I like manual focusing and I like being able to carry my camera everywhere and use fast, small glass. I find that the way I personally use my Leica is to gather quick moments on a high quality system so I can keep the memories of my kids growing up etc. In these cases specifically, the content FAR outweighs the technical perfection.

I realized this while looking through the magnum contact book and others, that the documentary or travel style of shooting which the Leica is suited for. Many images are not pin sharp. They don’t have to be in order to have visual impact. Getting off topic, but it’s my favorite camera to use right now. So, if you have a couple M lenses already, go for it. Worst case is that you don’t like it and sell it for very close to what you paid.
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EDIT: (didnít realize the ISO question was the 262, Iím referring to the mp240)
1600 and under for BW is good. 3200 is Still acceptable to me. However I donít use a Leica for crazy high ISO perfection. I use it because I like manual focusing and I like being able to carry my camera everywhere and use fast, small glass. I find that the way I personally use my Leica is to gather quick moments on a high quality system so I can keep the memories of my kids growing up etc. In these cases specifically, the content FAR outweighs the technical perfection.

I realized this while looking through the magnum contact book and others, that the documentary or travel style of shooting which the Leica is suited for. Many images are not pin sharp. They donít have to be in order to have visual impact. Getting off topic, but itís my favorite camera to use right now. So, if you have a couple M lenses already, go for it. Worst case is that you donít like it and sell it for very close to what you paid.

First off thank you for your reply. Right now I'm shooting with the M9 and I'm very happy with the results I get a ISO 1600 for B&W so going to M262/240 would give me a 1 stop boost. Like yourself I don't mind a bit of softness or blur due to a slower shutter speed and some time even prefer it depending on the subject scene.
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I've been offered a mint M-P 240 right around $3k. Seems like good value to me.
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A slight side diversion.......As I think I indicated in another thread here at RFF, I came within a hair's breadth of buying an M240 but at the last minute decided on a comparably priced and utterly mint Leica Q instead - the seller was selling it at a good price in order to have funds to buy the then soon to be released Q2.

It was a close decision. I wanted the M240 as an upgrade to my M8 as I have indicated in this thread below. And I especially liked the idea of having focus peaking etc when using the top mounted EVF (though like everyone else I have asked, I do not like the look of the EVF perched on top of the camera though I have a couple of other cameras that use similar EVFs and know they work OK - in fact perfectly they work well given their ability to adjust the viewing angle which is sometimes useful). And I like the far better dynamic range and usable ISO range offered by this camera over the older models.

In the end what decided me I think was (a) the autofocus of the Leica Q (my eyes are no longer so good as I would like them to be) and (b) the stellar reports of the performance of the 28mm f1.7 lens. In neither respect am I in the least disappointed. It did take some heavy thinking about whether to limit myself to a 28mm fixed lens or not given my tendency to prefer longer lenses but in the end thought damn it, it is time I forced myself to use at least some wider lenses. And though I did not much like the idea of in camera cropping at first, I have found the ability to throw up the 35mm framelines useful sometimes as it helps in framing and given I always shoot in RAW (DNG) I can always change this in post in any event. I also understand that if cropped to 35mm the final image cropped to this will be about 15 megapixels - approximately the same as my Olympus OM D EM5 which is certainly no slouch in terms of the image details saved.

Though I would kinda still like an M240 to back this up.............. damn the G.A.S.! And damn the M240 for being so good.
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Peter: it is great that we have such options available to us.
How do you find the 28mm view from your Q?
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Peter: it is great that we have such options available to us.
How do you find the 28mm view from your Q?


Raid I think like you, that we are very lucky.

As to the 28mm view in general I find it a bit wide for me for many shots, but have been pleasantly surprised at the amount and quality of the bokeh this lens produces, which to my way of thinking helps me cope with the 28mm FOV. (Having everything in focus all the time is something I reserve for landscape photos - and not even all of them). One thing I still have to teach myself is to get closer when taking street shots. I do find this hard - my philosophy is that street shots should be candid and the idea of "candid" shots is that the subject is not disturbed. That's harder to do when a camera is shoved into their face........ Still the ultra high speed of the Q's AF is so good that this problem is minimized and that is one reason I find the Q to be much more acceptable than I feared it might be for me.

But as also indicated, I am finding the in camera 35mm "crop" more useful than I thought it would be too, as I prefer 35mm to 28mm in general. And because of how the camera works when saving images as DNG images the cropping can always be undone or modified in post (though I have been told - I have not yet tried). I think I would prefer 50mm crop in camera except that the file size by then is beginning to be a bit too small for my liking.

This in camera crop feature would be even more valuable with the Q2 and its (near) 50 megapixel sensor, which means that even when cropped to 35mm (or 50mm for that matter) the files are still huge.

So for me - a personal surprise is that I do not mind the in camera crop as much as I thought I would and find it a little more useful than I believed I would (given I can do it in post in any event if this feature were turned off.)
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I may one day get a M240. I enjoy using many different lenses.
For travel, the Q will be perfect and sufficient and reliable.
So would the M240.
I am missing out on improved digital cameras.
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I'm thinking about an M240 too..but me thinks..that Leica may come out with a new one partnered up with Panasonic internals soon..maybe with 4k video..and that would be a nice improvement..albeit at a Leica cost..
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it's a fantastic camera. to me, the only downside would be the high iso performance, but that's coming from me being spoiled by the A7Rii/RX1Rii fantastic sensor. I shoot at iso 1600 max with the MP240 and usually it's enough, pairing to an f1.8 or f1.4 lens. But sometimes shadow recovery or colour rendering is a bit messy. For the price the camera is currently being sold for though, it's extremely worth getting one.
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Old 03-30-2019   #80
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Great deal on a Silver MP240 at Leica Miami right now: https://leicastoremiami.com/collecti...14290502025260
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