Old 09-28-2018   #81
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I wouldn't be surprised if the exposure compensation is implemented the way it is in certain smartphone apps like Halide: drag your finger up or down to raise or lower the value. Given the creased shape of the screen, it wouldn't be hard to do with a thumb while your eye is to the viewfinder.

The interface wouldn't be so different from the spinning front dial on the X100F, which I think works brilliantly to control exposure compensation.
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Old 09-28-2018   #82
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the future is not 2 card slots, but 0.
Ha! What will folks get worked up about?
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Old 09-29-2018   #83
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Well, this was a complete surprise for me. Interesting news.
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the future is not 2 card slots, but 0.
That's the way smartphones are. Actually not quite different from a single card: you don't shoot when it's full, you're screwed once the single card fails, except that this time you can't get it out by yourself.
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Old 09-29-2018   #85
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Interesting, but not for me.

LR built in...I already have my iPhone with editing sw. More than enough for FB, Instagram etc.

More importantly it seems not to have image stabilization.
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Looks interesting...
Big question is how much?
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Old 09-29-2018   #87
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Maybe via touch screen? A curious and possibly deal breaker design flaw
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That could be the next compact I said I would never buy again.
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Old 09-29-2018   #89
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the future is not 2 card slots, but 0.
Interesting...
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I love the simplicity of the design, the fast fixed lens, and on-board storage. This is one of a few digital cameras I consider getting, but I read somewhere that the price point is somewhere at $5k.

Competitor to the Leica Q, I guess?
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the future is not 2 card slots, but 0.
It actually makes more sense than the “way we’ve always done it”, sticking memory cards into a camera from a door which is not water tight and prone to breaking off. Why on earth does that make “the most” sense?

A digital camera is a computer, with a storage drive in it, nothing more. We don’t constantly open a door on the computer to plug hard drives in and out, drives we carry around in little pouches, like drives we drop on the floor and step on while trying to move them from pouch to camera. For whatever reason, ssd drives used in computers are much less frequently prone to corruption than memory cards. Lose the pouch, lose the card reader, lose the cable, that’s nice. The approach Zeiss is taking does seem to have its merits, though some will want to do it the way we’ve always done it for reasons that make sense to them.
Personally, I like it, and it probably is the future. Me liking some potential aspect of the future, that’s unusual.
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Oh lord.....

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I love the simplicity of the design, the fast fixed lens, and on-board storage. This is one of a few digital cameras I consider getting, but I read somewhere that the price point is somewhere at $5k.

Competitor to the Leica Q, I guess?
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I love the simplicity of the design, the fast fixed lens, and on-board storage. This is one of a few digital cameras I consider getting, but I read somewhere that the price point is somewhere at $5k.

Competitor to the Leica Q, I guess?
I canít imagine it would be that high, not sure even Zeiss knows at this point. Though itís German, so who knows? Though it is made in China which would reduce production costs vis a vis Leica Q.
Hardly worth worrying about until actual pricing is released.

On a lighter note, some might find this analysis interesting:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_con...&v=SUTQc4UyX2M
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the future is not 2 card slots, but 0.
Current advanced phones do have slot for memory card. And in the future it could migrate on two slots. One for general board update (it will be small enough for card slot) and another for memory card slot.

It depends how effective is going to be lostless compression developing and how affordable mobile and cloud plans are going to be.

In meanwhile, I'm going to the park at the edge of fourth largest in NA city and here is no network...
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It actually makes more sense than the ďway weíve always done itĒ, sticking memory cards into a camera from a door which is not water tight and prone to breaking off. Why on earth does that make ďthe mostĒ sense?

A digital camera is a computer, with a storage drive in it, nothing more. We donít constantly open a door on the computer to plug hard drives in and out, drives we carry around in little pouches, like drives we drop on the floor and step on while trying to move them from pouch to camera. For whatever reason, ssd drives used in computers are much less frequently prone to corruption than memory cards. Lose the pouch, lose the card reader, lose the cable, thatís nice. The approach Zeiss is taking does seem to have its merits, though some will want to do it the way weíve always done it for reasons that make sense to them.
Personally, I like it, and it probably is the future. Me liking some potential aspect of the future, thatís unusual.
The lack of memory card slot and the large internal storage was one of the most surprising and interesting aspects of this camera to me. I'll admit to being ambivalent about this upon first reading it - but your post here makes a lot of sense. The more I think about it, the more I think I agree with you. Wireless transfer is pretty solid technology at this point, isn't it? One less opening on our cameras and one less thing to fumble with and/or lose or damage makes a lot of sense to me.
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It actually makes more sense than the “way we’ve always done it”, sticking memory cards into a camera from a door which is not water tight and prone to breaking off. Why on earth does that make “the most” sense?

A digital camera is a computer, with a storage drive in it, nothing more. We don’t constantly open a door on the computer to plug hard drives in and out, drives we carry around in little pouches, like drives we drop on the floor and step on while trying to move them from pouch to camera. For whatever reason, ssd drives used in computers are much less frequently prone to corruption than memory cards. Lose the pouch, lose the card reader, lose the cable, that’s nice. The approach Zeiss is taking does seem to have its merits, though some will want to do it the way we’ve always done it for reasons that make sense to them.
Personally, I like it, and it probably is the future. Me liking some potential aspect of the future, that’s unusual.
Let's see if this camera is weatherproof then. Actually I'd like to grab one if it is...
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How many shots can be saved to 512MB? Sounds like a lot. I usually use 16MB and 32GB cards for a day's shooting.
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How many shots can be saved to 512MB?
Not many. Fortunately the capacity is thousandfold.
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Not many. Fortunately the capacity is thousandfold.
GB? I get mixed up sometimes. Still, the question stands.
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6800 RAW, and over 50,000 JPGs. Seems sufficient for most, but won't be surprised to hear someone say it is inadequate for a day's saturation bombing mission.
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6800 RAW, and over 50,000 JPGs. Seems sufficient for most, but won't be surprised to hear someone say it is inadequate for a day's saturation bombing mission.
Carry an external bluetooth drive in your bag! Problem solved.
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6800 RAW, and over 50,000 JPGs. Seems sufficient for most, but won't be surprised to hear someone say it is inadequate for a day's saturation bombing mission.
I was on a ten day trip to Iceland last year and made fewer than 1000 images (RAW), which was still a lot for me, so the ZX1 internal memory sounds more than adequate. I still think it is too big for a point and shoot. Compare it with the Sony RX1MII:





And with the Fuji GFR50:


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Shame about that blue Zeiss decal. I'm sure there will be a blackout version soon.
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Shame about that blue Zeiss decal. I'm sure there will be a blackout version soon.
I'll sell you a black Sharpie for that.
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I still think it is too big for a point and shoot. Compare it with the Sony RX1MII:


It`s not really a P&S though... it`s a fixed lens camera, but a quite capable one. I agree it is too big... somehwere between the Sony and the Zeiss would be my sweet spot... or the RX1 with a smaller lens.
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the ZX1's size is very traditional compared to classic fixed lens rangefinders.

Zeiss ZX1: 142 ◊ 93 ◊ 66 mm

Canonet QL17 GIII: ‎120 ◊ 75 ◊ 60 mm
difference: 22 ◊ 18 ◊ 6 mm

Yashica Electro GSN: 152 ◊ 92 ◊ 76 mm
difference: -10 ◊ 1 ◊ -10 mm
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I agree it is too big... somehwere between the Sony and the Zeiss would be my sweet spot... or the RX1 with a smaller lens.
Sounds like the Leica Q is for you.


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Am surprised we are already two pages into the thread and no one has wailed or gnashed their teeth about the fact it is made in China.
Same here, shouldn't it be Vietnam?
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Got the Q, but thanks for trying.
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6800 RAW, and over 50,000 JPGs. Seems sufficient for most, but won't be surprised to hear someone say it is inadequate for a day's saturation bombing mission.
Shame we dont have a thumbs up function...here one. 👍

I love this idea. Transfer files wirelessly to my iPad or Macbook after a day lf shooting. I think the most I have ever done when street shooting is maybe 500-700 or so in Tokyo or Hong Kong. 6800 is just fine.
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Sounds like the Leica Q is for you.

Except for the 28mm, I like it... and the CL. However, my days of spending for a Leica over a Fuji are over.
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Gotta be a Zeiss Sharpie.
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Everytime I hear folks mention two card slots I just laugh bahaha.
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Everytime I hear folks mention two card slots I just laugh bahaha.
Well I had a film camera that had two film slots alas each slot could only do one shot and I could not use both at the same time. I am not bothered about two card slots last card that died on me was 2005 and that was a very cheap CF card.
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My understanding was that Zeiss re-acquired the rights to the Contax name a few years ago. Knew something was coming, had thought it would be nice to have that Contax script across the front.
As far the shape, it might actually turn out to be very ergonomic, but only time will tell.
Will be interesting to see how this shakes out in reality once tested. Not that I need something else.
Is it a proven fact that Zeiss has re-acquired the Contax name back from Kyocera? I've heard some rumors about that, too. But I have so far nowhere seen an official statement.

It's a bit strange with this new camera: I've been on the Photokina this week (it ended yesterday). Zeiss has not had a booth there (first time since decades). At the third day on the fair I've heard about the camera.......
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I love this idea. Transfer files wirelessly to my iPad or Macbook after a day lf shooting. ...
don't all the current camera models provide this already? and many also in-camera raw editing, e.g Fuji models.

will be interesting to see if Android OS is left open for app store downloads, e.g. editing with Snapseed would be neat.

from all the recent announcements of cameras, am saving my pennies for the Sigma Foveon camera with L-mount
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It`s not really a P&S though... it`s a fixed lens camera, but a quite capable one. I agree it is too big... somehwere between the Sony and the Zeiss would be my sweet spot... or the RX1 with a smaller lens.
The Sony RX1 is too small for good handling. For good handling size, the Leica M-D and Leica CL are close to ideal. The Zeiss is a bit tall by comparison. But it's not that much larger and might fit my hands nicely, like the SL did.

I'd have to work with one a while to say more than that.
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The Sony RX1 is too small for good handling. For good handling size, the Leica M-D and Leica CL are close to ideal. The Zeiss is a bit tall by comparison. But it's not that much larger and might fit my hands nicely, like the SL did.
I like the size of the Sony RX1. It fits my hands. Not surprisingly, the SL felt bulky to me. People have different size hands. Glad there is choice.
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I like the size of the Sony RX1. It fits my hands. Not surprisingly, the SL felt bulky to me. People have different size hands. Glad there is choice.
Indeed! I have large hands: many otherwise excellent cameras are too cramped.
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Is it a proven fact that Zeiss has re-acquired the Contax name back from Kyocera?
I donít know, that was my understanding, that the time that Kyocera had to use the trademark, had expired several years ago..and Zeiss had reassumed sole control of the trademark. . Lawyers know, I donít. It probably does not matter at this point. The last bodies Zeiss made were Contarexes and those had issues, so maybe they didnít want people bringing that up.
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