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Old 06-15-2015   #41
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I had an interesting conversation with a Leica salesperson at the Leica store in San Francisco. I have one on order from another Leica Store but I wanted to hold it and feel it. (by the way it is very well balanced, light and quick to focus).

He was in his late 20's I'm guessing. I told him I don't shoot 28mm very often so it will take a bit to get used to. He agreed but then went into the reasoning Leica made it a 28mm. "In my generation we only use our phones to snap photo's. The average focal length of a smartphone camera is 29-32mm. Therefore his generation may be more likely to get into a real camera and quit using the smartphone since its a perspective they are very comfortable with"

I have no idea if this thought is sponsored by Leica or him alone but if the facts are correct he may be right. i then though of the cost for these young people until he told me he has a M-246 on order for himself.

I'm looking forward to owning a Q and I'm fortunate I can afford to add one to my collection.

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Really? I'm not sure how many smartphone shooters will be looking to upgrade to the Leica Q, nor even to something as cheap as a GR Digital for that matter...

I'm in my 20s and judging from what my peers are doing (which may or may not be representative), Leica would do better marketing a Red dot selfie stick complete with mechanical shutter release.
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I recognize that this is likely an attempt to expand their offering in the marketplace and I do like the looks of the Q. But won't this camera steal sales from the M digital cameras?
Without a lens lock release , NO.

28 mm fixed lens, gime a break.
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I still prefer my Pentax Q. It's much more compact and I can change lenses.
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I like the model name. Q stands for question. What question? That's the question.
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I like the model name. Q stands for question. What question? That's the question.
Gee, and here I was thinking it was a play off the James Bond stories.

Silly me.
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Well, sales are backed up for months already... I guess Leica did the right thing.
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Well, sales are backed up for months already... I guess Leica did the right thing.
Also depends where you buy. I spent months waiting at one dealer, got frustrated & cancelled. Went to other dealer and got out of the store with a Q in hand. Grip is in backlog though!

But yea, deliveries are still not every day thing.
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Also depends where you buy. I spent months waiting at one dealer, got frustrated & cancelled. Went to other dealer and got out of the store with a Q in hand. Grip is in backlog though!

But yea, deliveries are still not every day thing.
Right, but my post is from 3 months ago and we live in completely different parts of the world.
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Right, but my post is from 3 months ago and we live in completely different parts of the world.
And I spent those months waiting :-) But yea, though I used your comment in my quote it wasn't really targeted at you but rather as reference for other people looking for info on delivery times.
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If I wanted a small camera, this is IMO perfect. The thing I hate worst about digital is a dirty sensor, a fixed lens takes care of that issue. I NEVER change lenses, but Leica's offering is perfect for me. I far prefer an EVF, if it is well designed. Will I buy one, I doubt it, as phone cameras keep improving, it serves no purpose in my life.

But it is a beauty. 10 years ago I would have bought it in a flash.
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Almost a year later and still out of stock most places...
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What's next for the Leica Q? The Leica R I suppose. Then the S, the T, and so on.
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A camera without interchangeable lenses is useless to me. Anyone can do a crop on 28. Stupid
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Old 07-27-2016   #56
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A camera without interchangeable lenses is useless to me. Anyone can do a crop on 28. Stupid
Anyone can crop on whichever focal length you choose. You therefore only gain interchangeable stupidity in your more useful scenario.
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I'm an M shooter and I'm interested in the Q. Just because one shoots M cameras doesn't mean that's the only camera they shoot. Nor does it mean it's their favorite. Sure the older shooters might not like the Q, but Leica needs to garner favor with a younger generation.
Strangely the old are living longer but younger are falling to all manner of illness. Cancers, heart, diabetes due to lack of exercise, eating junk food.
drugs etc.
I am 72 and except for a heart condition more fit and healthier than many young folks.
Walk miles on photo shoots, walk a dog, don't drive a car and do NOT eat junk food.
Why I won't buy a new Leica is because the old ones work fine.
Next year Ziggy (M3) will be working since new, 50 years.
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As a person that's 42 years old (and therefore, neither young or old)... I think you guys are being a little rough on phatnev. It could have bee worded better, but I think he was just trying to say that Leica better start worrying about what the younger generations wants in case it can't sell those folks on its M legacy.
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I don't see the current Q design as viable for the long term. Mainly because of its fixed 28, but also size and cost. It seems to me a super-niche camera for the committed Leica customer. Ordinary mortals now have so many attractive, flexible mirrorless options. I think the Q will shake out as a bridge camera. (Not that I wouldn't love to have one.)

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In Leica land... which IS its own world (and doesn't compete with other manufacturers generally), the Q offers somewhat of a deal. It is by far the cheapest Leica / Leica lens combo you can buy. Add that to the fact that it has some cutting edge technology (EVF, fast AF, etc.) and offers what the M (AF) and the SL (RF shape / small size) cannot, and I think they have a camera that can certainly be popular for years to come. In fact, it still isn't in stock in the US after almost a year. And Leica does not need to sell huge numbers like a Sony does.

I would not be surprised if we see different focal lengths released. The only way I can see this not happening is if they make a interchangeable lens version. Some people **** on fixed lens cameras, but some of us love them.
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"I would not be surprised if we see different focal lengths released."

John and John...
I wouldn't say "no" to a Q with a 40mm :-)
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John and John...
I wouldn't say "no" to a Q with a 40mm :-)
Me neither... though I'd rather have a 50mm.
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I picked up a minty Q used for I think it was $3400... It's every bit a Leica as my M240. I like it a lot and for some kinds of shots it's spot on! I carry it and my M240 with the f1.4 'Lux other than the weight, it's a great combo. And both cameras fit nicely in the Prince Street ONA bag along with batteries, filters and other odds and ends.
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I picked up a minty Q used for I think it was $3400...
Great price.
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Me neither... though I'd rather have a 50mm.
Big 50 fan here, too...35 1.4 on Fuji X my most used lens these days...however

I've had three "40s"
60 on a 645
20 on a m4/3
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Liked them all.

With that big, pixel rich sensor you could think of it as a "fifty", shot a bit loose.
Crop in tighter when you need to.
Don't when you don't.
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A camera without interchangeable lenses is useless to me. Anyone can do a crop on 28. Stupid
Ok. While I have no interest in a 28mm fixed lens camera, I would promptly buy a Q35, Q40, or Q50. Different strokes ...


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I guess an EVF is OK for snapshots, but I do spend minutes looking through the viewfinder, making compositional decisions. Spending minutes looking at those tiny TV's is very frustrating and headache inducing.
Some folks won't, can't adjust. Others can just fine. With a 50 I'd own one. With a 35, high probability, with a 28, useless for me other than indoors. The evf is irrelevant, I adapted long ago. As Leica is doing as well.
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Strangely the old are living longer but younger are falling to all manner of illness. Cancers, heart, diabetes due to lack of exercise, eating junk food.
drugs etc.
I am 72 and except for a heart condition more fit and healthier than many young folks.
Walk miles on photo shoots, walk a dog, don't drive a car and do NOT eat junk food.
Why I won't buy a new Leica is because the old ones work fine.
Next year Ziggy (M3) will be working since new, 50 years.
Almost every day..
Well, I agree with your every word..
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Gee, and here I was thinking it was a play off the James Bond stories.

Silly me.
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I am considering throwing out the M9/35CRONASPH combo for a used Q

It's a tough decision cos I really love the RF feeling but I'd also love to be a bit faster w/ focusing in low light (also the macro and the better ISO performance are welcome). If only the Q were 35 or 40mm.
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Check out the thread below this one in the Q forum. Apparently many folks would rather the EVF / AF than a RF .
Thank God the masses don't drive Leica M. If the masses drove Leica then Leica would look and function like everything else out there. What separates them is their differences and the appeal to photographers like me that are fed up with the bells and whistle one size fits all that is most of the other makers mind set.

I love a true ranfgefimder and have really no use or want for EVF. I would shoot a Sony or a DSLR if that was what I wanted. Glad that there are REAL choices from all the other makers out there.

I think if you see at a 28mm FL then the Q might be a good choice for some. I have a good friend that has that and an M 262 and loves them both.
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In this field, Leica can't compete with the electronic giants who bring a Q to the market every other six months. Better they stick with the M formula, ostrich leather included.
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In this field, Leica can't compete with the electronic giants who bring a Q to the market every other six months. Better they stick with the M formula, ostrich leather included.
Even the giant coudn't do that: it took the only other camera in the class, the Sony RX1, 3 years to get a successor. Expect the Q to get an update in a similar time frame. And Leica doesn't really have to: naturally you wouldn't expect your average consumers to shed out 4 grands "every other six months" just for a new family camera...we're talking about expensive cameras intended for enthusiasts after all.

Leica surely can't compete with Sony all by itself, but in the Q's case it's not alone. The Q is essentially, aside from the sensor and the lens, a Panasonic camera (even down to the unique "EVF Sensitivity" setting). And Panasonic had already primed its next-gen tech (with the GH5, the G9, etc.) for Leica to pimp the next Q with. So it's just a matter of time.
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But he has a point. The Q is designed for today's photographers, not the old guard.
You mean the Q is designed for people who only shoot w/ cell phones.

Anyone who must have a 28mm because thatエs what his cell phone has ? And you pay Leica prices for that kind of thing?

Just shoot an Iphone and spend on designer drugs.



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If it wasn't so expensive, I would buy it without a second thought. Why? Because I used the heck out of a Ricoh GRDIII, which is the same focal length. Some of the best photos I've ever taken came from that camera and I found the 28mm length much more useful than I expected originally; street, landscape, interiors, even a couple of informal portraits. A full frame sensor at the same length? Shut up and take my money, even though I'd lose the pocketability of the Ricoh.

EDIT: If they knocked $1K or so off the price, I could probably justify it to myself. Alas...

EDIT 2: I also use a Fuji Natura S with the 24/1.9 all the time. Amazing camera and lens combo for travel, but I get that wide angle isn't for everybody. It was beast to tame, but once you get it down, lots of fun to be had.
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Well, now...

When I bought my M-P 240, I seriously considered a Q instead but I was worried about the cropability down to my three most used focal lengths - 35, 50 and 75. The Q2 may be more than I can resist as my only digital Leica, I already decided to sell the M-P 240.

What I really was hoping for was an interchangeable lens Q-type body with EVF only, but...
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As a person that's 42 years old (and therefore, neither young or old)... I think you guys are being a little rough on phatnev. It could have bee worded better, but I think he was just trying to say that Leica better start worrying about what the younger generations wants in case it can't sell those folks on its M legacy.
Many of the younger folks who are really that seriously into photography as art are more interested in film again; it's a poorer generation that cannot afford what many consider vanity items for old people such as digital Leicas. You don't need expensive film gear for art, and for the non-artsy stuff (and even some artsy stuff) you might as well just use a phone. Common digital editing tools such as VSCO that try to approximate film looks are encouraging lots of folks to just start using the real deal.
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