Old 01-18-2017   #321
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I'll wait to the next model..or the next..or next...
At least they got the size down..
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What will be the new going price for a clean used 240?
With this new release..I wouldn't expect much drop..
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Old 01-18-2017   #323
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I am not currently looking to get back into digital M, but if and when I do, M10 (or whatever the cheaper version that might come in a few years time) will be it. If they make M10-D, I'd be extra tempted.

If I need a digital M for whatever specific project, I'll enjoy picking up an M9 or M240 variant at lower price following the M10 announcement.
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With this new release..I wouldn't expect much drop..
I agree with Emile. I think Leica did favours for the M240 owners, as it is the only M game in town if you want video, and much more importantly to me, uncompressed raw files.
The M240 offers compressed or uncompressed files. The M10 only compressed.
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With this new release..I wouldn't expect much drop..
That's a great joke. Just because it's not a camera you want doesn't mean it won't sell well. There's always people out there wanting the latest and greatest and this camera answered a few issues people complained most about with the M240. It's faster, has a higher buffer, better sensor, slimmer, has wifi, etc. This is going to push prices down for sure.
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I'm tankful for Leica on M10 like this. It isn't only M9 +1, but also M-E v10
So, Leica gave me peace of mind with M10 as logical evolution of M-E (no video, no USB, close to film-M size and weight). Hopefully by the time I have to update M-E some used M10 will be around!
IMHO, M240 and its flavors looks like hiccup on M9-M10 line.
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Steve Huff "review"

I'm not in the market, but I'm starting to get curious about owning an M9. My problem is that since I don't own any Leica glass, it seems rather pointless.
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Steve Huff "review"

I'm not in the market, but I'm starting to get curious about owning an M9. My problem is that since I don't own any Leica glass, it seems rather pointless.
Clive, nice to see you around! I have tested Jupiter-12 (remember? ) on M-E and it surprisingly performed even better than on my M4-2.
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In the Jono Slack review -
Leica M10 with 75mm Summilux M Asph.
Is this a typo or actually an Asph 75 lux
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That's a great joke. Just because it's not a camera you want doesn't mean it won't sell well. There's always people out there wanting the latest and greatest and this camera answered a few issues people complained most about with the M240. It's faster, has a higher buffer, better sensor, slimmer, has wifi, etc. This is going to push prices down for sure.
OK..OK..take 5 bux off...!
But I have to admit..after seeing Huffs review..it looks smaller and just better..if it had video..I would jump..
I think this will sell well for them..
But look to M8/9/M262 prices..to take a hit..
I'm not sure the m240 will until they bring out the next ..vundabar...M cam...w/video..
Then you will see it... prices that is..drop like a stone..
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Clive, nice to see you around! I have tested Jupiter-12 (remember? ) on M-E and it surprisingly performed even better than on my M4-2.
Good to hear from you! I still have that Jupiter 12, but I've also added a Voigtlander 35mm Nokton 1.4. For the last little while, I've been shooting the Canon 5D though. Cheaper all around and full frame vs. my GXR.
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OK..OK..take 5 bux off...!
But I have to admit..after seeing Huffs review..it looks smaller and just better..if it had video..I would jump..
I think this will sell well for them..
But look to M8/9/M262 prices..to take a hit..
I'm not sure the m240 will until they bring out the next ..vundabar...M cam...w/video..
Then you will see it... prices that is..drop like a stone..
I don't expect to see the M262 prices drop much. It's gonna remain a production camera, the M240 won't. I think you're overestimating how many people use video in the M cameras. I've been selling these things for the past 3 years and have yet to run into a single person who is using the video at all. Everyone says, "Well, it's cool that it's there but I've never used it."
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Steve is not going to be able to afford a new M10 until he sells a few more of those "Portal Wonder Boxes" he fabricates that supposedly allow you to communicate with the dead. He is hawking those over on his Huff Paranormal website.
I wonder what Ken is up to to be able to afford it?
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I wonder what Ken is up to to be able to afford it?
His kids moved out and he accepts donations to himself now.
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"The camera as a tool does not produce better pictures than the M/240...
If you are happy with the results of the M/240 or the MM2 it is best to skip the M10 release."

I think the M10 is great but I the above quotes from Erwin sums it up for me. When I do use my M240, I have no complaints other than size, but as I shoot film about 90% of the time, I don't mind waiting on the M11. Or M12..

It is a curious move to use a sensor that came out two years ago, and back then wasn't leading edge. I get standardization across the range makes things cheaper, but this is still a $6500 camera. It's a shame that other mfgs sensors on cameras now over two or three years old are technically better.

And reading Jono's review now makes me want one...

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Steve is not going to be able to afford a new M10 until he sells a few more of those "Portal Wonder Boxes" he fabricates that supposedly allow you to communicate with the dead. He is hawking those over on his Huff Paranormal website.
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Steve is not going to be able to afford a new M10 until he sells a few more of those "Portal Wonder Boxes" he fabricates that supposedly allow you to communicate with the dead. He is hawking those over on his Huff Paranormal website.
Holy cow....
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If all the posts in this topic are any indicator, I don't really expect the prices of M9,M8,etc. to drop much in price. Offer and Demand. Too many people waiting for a lower price M9 means that those that will sell them to ge the M10 (offer) wont have to lower the price that much, because there are lots of people waiting to buy them (demand).

M10 is looking pretty good by the way.

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Though I'm not in the market for digital M right now, I am genuinely excited. Holding my trusty M4-P in my hands, I'm happy that the digital M is finally virtually "same size" as film Ms from ergonomics point of view. One day when I decide to get a digital M again, I think I'll skip older models and just go for an M10 in lightly used condition.
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Then, I buy your M10.
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Does this make M Type 240 generation the M5 of digital Leica?? (quickly duck and cover)
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It looks like an excellent camera, and which fixes many of the most frustrating issues of current digital bodies (eye relief, ISO, size), while the only regression is the battery life.

But I am not sure I would want to use a camera that expensive every day on the street - it is about double what my (2nd hand) M 262 cost here in Europe...
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I don't expect to see the M262 prices drop much. It's gonna remain a production camera, the M240 won't. I think you're overestimating how many people use video in the M cameras. I've been selling these things for the past 3 years and have yet to run into a single person who is using the video at all. Everyone says, "Well, it's cool that it's there but I've never used it."
I think a lot of people are going to dump their m8's..m9's...and even the m262...soon..just give it a year or so..for folks to want to trade up to the m10..just for the feel of it..as that's really most of the reason to buy into Leica m..and it is way more capable as well..
There may even be a glut on the market of these older m's sooner than you think..
And you forget..the reason most people don't want to use the video capability on the 240 is...it isn't that good to begin with..
But put some strong video in there..and I think you will see people going for it..and in a smaller body..well..I sure would..
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For the first time in a long time I'm tempted by the M10 to replace my M8. I never quite got round to the M9 and didn't care for the M240 series cameras for some irrational reason.

The M10 though has definitely got my interest - it's reasonably priced if I use as long as I have my M8.
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There may even be a glut on the market of these older m's sooner than you think..
I wish, but don't believe.

Nice new M btw. Good job Leica
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I may then buy a hardly used but very cheap and fully working "old digital M".
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I'm not in the market, but I'm starting to get curious about owning an M9. My problem is that since I don't own any Leica glass, it seems rather pointless.

DSC09777 by unoh7, on Flickr

I think I bought that lens here for 325 bucks. Here is what it did today:


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M240s will drop, but I think M9 will hold just fine, and you can see why.

The M10 achievement can't be overstated if reports about it's ISO 6400 performance are true. That is huge. Big OVF, nice EVF and LV tools, and M6 footprint. Already DPR who hated the M9 are drooling over the M10.

It's about to be splashed across the media with accolades while the ugly bloated Canikons knash their teeth in the shadows LOL

Even the new NEX-like medium format things from Fuji and Hassie will suffer from stolen thunder. The M10 is too sexy, sorry fuji

Anyone care to guess the 2017 "camera of the year"?
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Anyone care to guess the 2017 "camera of the year"?
Leica Sofort. Sold out everywhere. The people have spoken.

Anyway, no-one minds that the M10 no longer offers uncompressed DNG files?
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It could be that the new sensor is so good that uncompressed DNG files have become less needed.
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I think Leica has a winner here! The M10 is the first digital Leica I consider getting: the eye relief, ISO dial, lower noise at higher ISO and thinner body are big improvement.

Now, if they would release an updated Monochrome with an ISO dial and thinner body, I'd get one in a heart beat! What do you think are the odds?
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It could be that the new sensor is so good that uncompressed DNG files have become less needed.
If the sensor is so good, uncompressed DNGs from it would be even better!

All joking aside, I'm curious as to why this was done.
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Now, if they would release an updated Monochrome with an ISO dial and thinner body, I'd get one in a heart beat! What do you think are the odds?
Excellent. In under a year.
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Anyway, no-one minds that the M10 no longer offers uncompressed DNG files?
I did not see that!

I predict that will not stand!

Actually it made a huge difference for the Sony A7r2 and RX1r2 to get the uncompressed files. But who knows, maybe it's OK on the M10. If not, you can bet we will hear about it once the real people have them.
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Leica Sofort. Sold out everywhere. The people have spoken.

Anyway, no-one minds that the M10 no longer offers uncompressed DNG files?
I can't imagine it's lossy, so is there any reason why an uncompressed DNG would not be 100% the exact same as a losslessly compressed DNG?

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On the M10: I'm so glad that it isn't a successor to the M240, but rather the M9. Seems like Leica is publicly recognizing the 240 as a misstep by calling it the M10.
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This is true?
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The M10 may be the Leica that I am looking for.
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What about the M11 in 2 years from now? Will you stick with the M10 then?
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The only feature I think it's lame to have left out is a silent shutter mode as you see on many of the latest cameras, like A7r2.

There are some events when you really want no noise. It's not rocket science, and should have been obvious. But maybe that would have required something extra physically.
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