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Old 07-03-2016   #41
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i had an x700, very nice rig...
i'm thinking something more basic and less electronic...

but still open to all suggestions.
What is your budget Joe? And is 21mm close enough, or does it have to be a 24mm, no more, no less? I confess that, if I was seeking a ultra wide angle today in a mechanical body, and could have the pick of all options, it would, without a doubt, be a 21mm Biogon to go with my Contax II. I suppose a decent Kiev would also be an option if you needed something affordable to put it on. Separate RF/VF of course. But what a lens. I'm sure I'm in the minority, here. But take a look at some images made with those classic Zeiss lenses. Ridiculously sharp, age notwithstanding.
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Old 07-03-2016   #42
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- Bang for the buck and speed ? OM1 or OM2 with 24/2 (US 400 or so)
- Performance / low budget ? R4* + Color Skopar 25/4 (US 800 or so)
- Performance / higher budget ? 0.58 M6 + ZM 25/2.8 (> US 1500)

Now, I don't shoot 24, only 28. If 28 is OK, you want max performance at smallest $, get any of the Nikon FM* or an F3 with 28/2.8 AIS (should run less than US 250).

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How about something unusual, like a Fujifilm Natura 24mm f1.9 compact camera?

It doesn't meet most of the requirements though, except for it being a film camera. But it's small enough to bring out with your other cameras. The Natura is also hard to come by as it was only released in Japan.
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i tried (twice) to get your attention in the classifieds...but no reply...
I received no PM, or notification for your replies to the add. I just check. I've been on vacation and left early Thursday--the day of your first comment.

If you're still interested Lmk.
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Old 07-03-2016   #46
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...recommend to me?

my criteria is...
film camera
easily obtainable
and fitted with the best 24mm lens of the same brand as camera

not sure i will follow through on a purchase but i'm thinking about it.
I've had a few others (Olympus, Contax, and Minolta), but liked the Nikon FM2 or FE2 with the Nikkor 24mm f/2.8 AI-S the most out of the SLRs. I recommend that setup.

(The Leica M4-P fitted with an Elmarit-M 24mm f/2.8 ASPH was probably the better performer, but I didn't use it as much as the Nikon. I had this same experience with today's M-P and Elmar-M 24mm ... I find I prefer using the Elmarit-R 24 on the SL more.)

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A Leica M4 with a 3.8/24mm is mighty hard to beat!

A Nikon FM with a 2.8/24 AiS is hard to beat too! See the works of Galen Rowell.
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Old 07-03-2016   #48
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affordable is a key factor…can't believe i didn't put that down.
24 is key…21 is too wide and 28 is too long…i quite like the 24/25 fov.
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Why film? Expense?
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Ok....OM1n and 2.8/24mm. It works very well. And is also my daughter's 13th birthday present.
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Why film? Expense?
film as part of a project...24 to compare the 'look' from my fuji 16 to whatever i choose...
not scientific...more curiosity.
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Ok....OM1n and 2.8/24mm. It works very well. And is also my daughter's 13th birthday present.
i like olympus...used then for years...but i was staying away from wide angle lenses at the time.
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Old 07-03-2016   #53
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The Zuiko wide angles are quite sharp, and would be even cheaper if they were not sought after by Canon users, who can use these with adapters.

Here's a quick search on eBay: Two separate sales, one an Olympus OM-1 body, and another, a Zuiko 24mm f2.8, two different sales for $401.00 total, including shipping:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222171780772...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122021055952...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
closer to $500. cdn with the exchange.
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Zeiss Ikon with zm 25 or 28
Bessa with 25 skopar
Canon eos 33/30/300 with EF 24/28 2.8 is usm

would be me list for that task. surely all superb with different tech/usability aspects!

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there is a canon f1 and a canon 24 for sale in our very own classifieds...
waiting on a price and then maybe...
seller is on holiday for a few more days...
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great camera. I have the F1n version. Rock solid.

I also have a Canon 24. Maybe we could do a shoot out.
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Old 07-03-2016   #57
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great camera. I have the F1n version. Rock solid.

I also have a Canon 24. Maybe we could do a shoot out.
at the ok corral...
i had the original canon f1 for years...great camera...might be too heavy for me now
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Old 07-03-2016   #58
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Pentax MX and SMC-K 24/f2.8

Delightfully simple, fully mechanical, very compact and realitivly affordable.

The K series lenses are fantastic and that MX viewfinder is spectacular.
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Pentax MX with SMC 24/2.8

Like THIS combo
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Had to look.
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Joe, I cannot tell what would float your boat in your gear selection, but I have been having a great time with an Olympus OM-1 MD with an Olympus Winder 2 attached, and a Zuiko 24/2.8. It's good enough for my purposes, and easy to use. The above pictures were taken with that outfit.

PS: This was Arista Premium 400 developed using Chris Crawford's recipe, given at his website, which is R09 for 11 minutes at 20C.
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well, a deal has been struck!
i am going to buy an original canon F1 with a canon 24/2.8 lens, both in good shape with the camera recently cla'd...and adjusted for a modern battery.
i remember my old canon f1...weighed a ton and built like the proverbial brick **** house!
i plan to use ilford's chromogenic film and use a local film processor for dev/scan.
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two Choices:..

Zeiss Ikon with the 25 Biogon... Yum !
or
Bessa R3A with 25 Color Skopar more reasonably priced , equally kick ass !
Good selection Helen. R4A/M would be cooler though!
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...recommend to me?

my criteria is...
film camera
easily obtainable
and fitted with the best 24mm lens of the same brand as camera
Great 24 lenses i've used are the Canon new FD 24/2.8. The Nikon AI 24/2.8 should be great as well. Also I own a Sigma "Super-wide II" 24/2.8 for Nikon which is very good as well. For 28mm the Canon new FD 28/2.8 is superb and very cheap. I also have the pre-AI Nikon 28/3.5 and it has character (nice rendering), despite corners not so good.

Easily obtainable, cheap film cameras for the respective systems are the Canon AE1 and the Nikon N2000 series.

Great cameras that are not too expensive or overpriced on the market are, for each system:

Canon
Canon F-1 original model
Canon FTb and FT and TX

Nikon
Nikkormat FT2 and FT3
Nikkormat EL and EL2
Nikon F (it is not expensive on the used market)
Nikon FE and perhaps FM

Pentax
Spotmatic
KX
MX

Minolta
SRT-series
XE5

Yashica
FR-1

Olympus
OM-1 and OM-2

I don't think the wideangles for the Olympus system are the best possible, though. The OM lenses were designed for compactness first and this should make wideangles suffer in some regard - distortion or corner performance or chromatic abberration --- something has got to give, compared to a lens with similar price point and similar state-of-the-art which was designed without too much concern for dimensions.
The opposite are the Nikon pre-AI lenses and Canon FL and FD (1st generation) lenses, they were made for optical performance first, compactness not a concern.
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Well, looks like Joe has his combo.

I was about to say how much I loved my FE-2 Nikon, but with a 28. I never had the funds when a 24 made itself available.
I am not a big fan of the handling of the OM bodies, but I have 4 of them just because of the lenses. I have my priorities straight The OM 24/2.8 is a stunner.
If I could afford one, I'm positive an SEM 24/3.8 on dang near any M body would be my personal winner.

All of above seems a rehash of most previous posts. Go figure. We must all have excellent taste
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i did finally choose...original F1 with canon 24/2.8 ssc...
should be in the mail very soon. started to look on ebay for an fd 100/2.8 canon lens...should be a good small kit.
and for those worrying about it, i have a domke bag that should hold it all nicely...
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i did finally choose...original F1 with canon 24/2.8 ssc...
should be in the mail very soon. started to look on ebay for an fd 100/2.8 canon lens...should be a good small kit.
and for those worrying about it, i have a domke bag that should hold it all nicely...
What bag would you carry this new kit in was going to be my next question.

Congrats on the new film kit!
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i did finally choose...original F1 with canon 24/2.8 ssc...
should be in the mail very soon. started to look on ebay for an fd 100/2.8 canon lens...should be a good small kit.
and for those worrying about it, i have a domke bag that should hold it all nicely...
Joe,

Best of luck with your new kit.

BTW my 24 is a Olympus 24/3.5 PC that has been converted to Nikkon F-mount. I use it on a F3HP.

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i did finally choose...original F1 with canon 24/2.8 ssc...
should be in the mail very soon. started to look on ebay for an fd 100/2.8 canon lens...should be a good small kit.
and for those worrying about it, i have a domke bag that should hold it all nicely...
Excellent choice, i love the F-1, bothj old and new.

I own the (new) FD 100/2.8 and its compact, light, and sharp, although the bokeh is "plain vanilla", that is, smooth and nice but without character or "wow".

My tip is -- if you want nice bokeh, look out for a FD 85/1.8 or FL 85/1.8. Or, longish lenses, go for the FL 135/2.5, FL 135/3.5, or FD 135/2.5 SC. The latest FD new 135/3.5 is compact and sharp but I don't like the bokeh. The FD new 135/2.8 is sharp but bokeh is again "plain vanilla".

If you want a 35mm the FD 35/3.5 (or the FL 35/3.5), FD 35/2.0 (any version) and FD new 35/2.8 are stunners.

As for normal lenses, the underrated 50/1.8 (any version) is good and cheap and all-purpose; the best performance is in the FDn 50/1.4; best bokeh in the 55/1.2 or 58/1.2.
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For Minolta - SR1s or even SR7v - no battery worries and smaller/lighter - a black one would be awesome , but expensive + 24 f2.8 of course .
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well, a deal has been struck!
i am going to buy an original canon F1 with a canon 24/2.8 lens, both in good shape with the camera recently cla'd...and adjusted for a modern battery.
i remember my old canon f1...weighed a ton and built like the proverbial brick **** house!
i plan to use ilford's chromogenic film and use a local film processor for dev/scan.
Good move. the Nikkor 24/2.8 is extremely susceptible to flare and ghosting. I hated that lens.
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Shaking my head over all those SLR recommendations on the Rangefinderforum

I love the Voigtländer Snapshot Skopar .. maybe not enough emphasis on LOOOOOVE - but the Bessa series of cameras is not for me (no offence) so I'd advice for a Leica with the Summilux (not that I could buy it) for the special touch of f/1.4 :P
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keep in mind that price was a large part of the calculus in deciding what to get...and also availability...there was a kit in our own rff classifieds...
ideally, something located in canada would be the best as it cuts down on the cost...what i bought cost me an additional $100. cdn in exchange rates.
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Nikon F2. Whichever model you choose with whichever Nikkor 24mm that fits that you like. Should be some choices available from KEH.

I've owned several. Best, more reliable professional cameras I've ever owned although I sorta fell out with Nikon years ago. Still have the first F2 I ever bought new (1974) although I haven't shot film in years. I take it out every now and then and go through the shutter speeds and it's still functioning well. Lots of memories associated with that camera.


"...the Nikkor 24/2.8 is extremely susceptible to flare and ghosting. I hated that lens."

Wow! It was my favorite Nikkor lens when I used Nikons. I completely wore out the first one I owned but it took many years and more heavy use and abuse than thought possible. I still have the second one although it looks like hell. Of course, we're talking about lenses built in the 1970s and 1980s. Compared to today's designs, limitations would be expected.
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The selection has already been made: Canon F1
and canon 24/2.8 ssc...

thinking about the canon 100/2.8 for a 2 lens kit.
priced well on ebay...
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Yep...I missed most of page 2 of the thread. Sorry.

Canon's a good choice. I started using Canons (and Leicas) when I got PO'd at Nikon.
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My first choice would be a Black Bessa L with a Snap-Shot CV 25/4.

If SLR lust is more you mood, Nikkormat FT3 (just as sturdy as the FTn but easier to find batteries) and any AIed Nikkor 24/2.8.

Enjoy your Canon lots of folks love them and I bet you will too.

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