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Old 05-17-2015   #41
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Hi,
I have not sold any of my Leica equipment since I traded in a pair of IIf bodies on my M4 iate in the 1970s. Still use and enjoy my film Leicas. Have added a Nikon D60 kit as a digital outfit. Also bought film equipment on eBay that is making me (look like) a collector.
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I sold all of my Leica gear, two M6 bodies, a 50mm Summicron, and 28mm and 35mm ZM lenses, last summer. Didn't want to, but that was the summer after I had a stroke and had to leave my fulltime teaching job. Needed the money to survive that summer till the school year began again when I went back to work as a substitute teacher.

I'll never replace them, I don't make enough money anymore. I make enough to survive, so I can't complain too much, and I still have my Mamiya 6 and Canon digital systems, which work well for me. Haven't shot any 35mm since selling the Leicas.

There is certainly life after Leica. My photography has not changed or diminished from lack of gear.
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Did anyone have a life before Leica?

Absolutely. I didn't have a Leica for my first 20 years as a photographer, and built my career long before I owned one. Only had Leicas for a few years before having to sell them, and my photography continues.
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Did anyone have a life before Leica?
Dear Bob,

Sure. When I was 19 I had a Pentax SV and an utterly gorgeous girlfriend. Then (on my advice) she bought a Leica (a black II, a conversion from a 1929 Model A): I can't remember if we were engaged by then or not. A few weeks later she wanted her Leica back, so I had to buy my own. We stayed together another two or three years. I still have the Leica but I never married Dail... There's even a picture of her at http://www.rogerandfrances.com/subsc...icaphilia.html

Given the choice of being in love or running a Leica, the former wins every time. Fortunately Frances likes Leicas too. We met 34 years and 4 days ago (May 14th, 1981).

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... We met 34 years and 4 days ago (May 14th, 1981).

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I cannot think of NOT having a Leica.
My Leica M3, named ziggy has been my companion since 1967..
It made family pix, birth of my daughter, fashion and then photojournalism.
In the streets of a nation going to Democratic process..
Now in my retirement, it's small enough to carry daily.
Weight a big problem as my heart aged!
The SLR pro kit unused for almost 20 years.
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The Fuji gf670 is my best Leica.
It is my rf life after Leica.
I have an M here again for the 2 lenses I can't seem to part with.
The M is about to go with one lens. The other is LTM...
The other I'll keep for digital use.
Life after Leica feels just exactly like life before it.... Only now I'm older (working on wiser and dumping the Leicas may be a good way towards that ).
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I had Leica's my last was a M4 in which the shutter died after that I sold
it all and I have a bit of regret selling it now, but who know what the rest
of 2015 will bring.

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Hi,

Odd, isn't it? This started with a statement "there seem to be such polarizing attitudes toward Leica cameras" and - as if to prove him right - the response has been very polarised with everyone talking about Leica's coupled RF's as though nothing else was made by Leica.

So for what it's worth, I miss my R5 but I've other Leicas and other SLR's. Some of the Leicas are P&S's some EVF's and so on.

Just my 2d worth.

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Odd, isn't it? This started with a statement "there seem to be such polarizing attitudes toward Leica cameras" and - as if to prove him right - the response has been very polarised with everyone talking about Leica's coupled RF's as though nothing else was made by Leica.

So for what it's worth, I miss my R5 but I've other Leicas and other SLR's. Some of the Leicas are P&S's some EVF's and so on.

Just my 2d worth.

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That is an interesting observation David. I do feel that most of the attitudes do revolve around the M cameras. I could be wrong but I don't recall seeing as much of this regarding the SLRs or the S series medium format digitals.

I am probably just part of the wrong groups to pick up on it though.
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I will never know. Because in the end, when I sell all of my collection but one camera and one lens, they will be Leica. Film Leica. Period.
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Yes, I think when one thinks of "Leica" one generally means an M series camera. An SLR can't be a "real Leica". The P&S folks might be reticent to talk about those "lesser" models ("badge engineering, why didn't you get the Panasonic??"), and the S guys might be reticent to discuss buying a $23,000 camera ("that dreck justifies the silly cost??")! There, I think I've insulted them all...
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Sure.
I liked looking at it but couldn't stand >$1500 invested in gear that I didn't prefer using. I then acquired an OM2n with a 50 & 28 and it's been great so far. Love it's handling and the giant VF. Best of all, it cost me <$200 and I don't think I have seen any deterioration in the quality of my photographs. It's built is very solid and I haven't had any issues in 4+ years of using it. Sold the M4 and lenses and I am enjoying it.
^^This makes good sense to me and fairly closely parallels my experience. I can't say whether I preferred the Leica (a tool is a tool as long as it works, there are many ways to hammer a nail), but as above I haven't seen any deterioration in my photographs with what I am using now. And I am completely comfortable with the change.

And I do like looking at all of my exotic Minolta stuff
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I got into various Ms and Barnacks. I will probably sell off an M6 and a IIIf and keep an MP and an M3. I'm on the fence about the M9, but at this point, my digital photography is all Nikon and Olympus, so the M9 will probably go and not be replaced. I love its simplicity, but the M9 sensor problems have not inspired confidence, and the lack of a few features like self-cleaning sensor plus the high price doesn't make for an attractive value proposition to me. I've also been shooting a lot more medium format film again and liking the results.
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The reason I still use Leicas is because I never used them exclusively. Always had other kinds of cameras as well. I've got hammers, pliers, screwdrivers and wrenches in my toolkit. Never seemed sensible to have only one tool in my camera kit either.
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That is an interesting observation David. I do feel that most of the attitudes do revolve around the M cameras. I could be wrong but I don't recall seeing as much of this regarding the SLRs or the S series medium format digitals.

I am probably just part of the wrong groups to pick up on it though.
That's because most of the "R" line were rebadged and tweaked something elses. And frankly, the R line wasn't really distinguished from anyone else's SLRS. The M cameras are what set Leica apart.

And is there life after Leica? Sure! I'm a slow learner... and I've had several lives after Leica. And always bought the Leica gear back. This time I'm not selling. It just works for me. My M9-P is in New Jersey awaiting a sensor transplant, and they were kind enough to furnish me a loaner M-E. I just shot a job for a magazine feature yesterday with the M-E and even used my Visoflex III and the Viso-200 f/4.

So, yes, I've taken my turns with Canon EOS1 film and Olympus digital in between rounds of Leica, but I've always come back. For me there's no reason to worry about life after Leica.
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Of course there is life after as well as before Leica. I've owned, used and passed on an M2, M4P, 2 x M6, M7, MP, M8 and M8.2 plus various Leica and non Leica lenses. I enjoyed using them all, but the results I got are no better than with my Canon FD or Olympus OM kits using film or most other digitals. I like Leica for their engineering - simple things done well, like a Rolex chronometer for example (insert your own example). However, I don't think the price point matches capability, especially in digital, YMMV and probably does. I may get another just because they are nice to fondle, not because they make one a better photographer. I am now enjoying using old and new Nikon primes on a Df and getting just as much enjoyment and in most cases better results than I did with Leica for a fraction of the cost.
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I used to use Leica, now I don't. I think I'm moving more towards smaller cameras, Rollei 35, Minox 35GT, that kind of thing. I moved away from Leica because I wanted to focus on medium format though, which I did for a while, but now I think I prefer the simplicity and more lo-fi approach of 35mm again. Lo-fi is a relative term of course, but I find myself looking at my backlog of snapshots rather than the 4x5 or 6x7 on a tripod type of shots.

Really, I like the photos which I've taken with a simple 35mm camera, taken in a way that people use their phones these days. A more relaxed type of photography, not trying to make that amazing photo, but just recording history.
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Yes, for me there was. Life after Leica became life with Fuji. Prior to life with either Fuji or Leica I had a Olympus and before that, my first 'proper' camera was a Minolta ( SRT101.) Nikon have seen me through the twenty years (so far) of work though my head was turned by Canon when Nikon were struggling with digital, but nothing happened, honestly

Having said all of that I did keep my M6 and a Hexar as my last two remaining film cameras. I only have a Canon 50mm 1.4 for the M6 and don't use them nearly as much as I'd should/could but I doubt they'll ever be moved on...so perhaps I don't have a life after Leica
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That's because most of the "R" line were rebadged and tweaked something elses. And frankly, the R line wasn't really distinguished from anyone else's SLRS. The M cameras are what set Leica apart... Snip1 Snip!
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Hmmm, well, that's the curse of the joint co-operation agreements they had with others but I wouldn't call all of them tweaked. Some started tweaked and ended up totally different; f'instance the R8 and R9. Others would probably never have existed if it wasn't for Leica's input to the overall and lens design.

Anyway, I liked the prime lenses on the R series and the others and see them as Leica designs tweaked for other makers. And one or two were unique to Leica. As was the after sales service. The handling was pretty good too.

And I can think of one or two cameras I own that I'd love to have had taken to bits by Leica and then re-assembled properly with a mild tweak and a Leica badge.

Judging by the moans about the Minilux problem a lot of people miss the small P&S Leicas when they've gone...

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We met 34 years and 4 days ago (May 14th, 1981).
Roger, you met your dear wife on the day mine was born... Small world.

As for Leica - I've only been an owner for some 13 months but I can't imagine ever going back. Photography has never been this much fun.
I only have an M3 and a simple LTM 50 f2 and it will stay that way for the foreseeable future.

I do have other cameras but they mostly collect dust. I also agree that other options (SLR / Medium Format) provide advantages but to me fun is what I am after and somehow I get the most excitement when holding the simple M3.

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I'm still living life before Leica, and I really don't miss it.

When traveling and living in other countries, I carried compact, fixed-lens RFs. The priority at those times was a small, light-weight camera that would take sharp, well exposed slides. A Leica would have been too big and heavy. Having had a couple of cameras stolen during my travels, a Leica would have also caused unwelcome worry.

Back home, when space and weight are lesser considerations, I never shoot RFs. I shoot landscapes and nature; I don't do street, so my old manual-focus SLRs (Minoltas) are ideal for 35mm and I've been shooting ever more medium format with TLRs.

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Roger, you met your dear wife on the day mine was born... Small world.

As for Leica - I've only been an owner for some 13 months but I can't imagine ever going back. Photography has never been this much fun.
I only have an M3 and a simple LTM 50 f2 and it will stay that way for the foreseeable future.

I do have other cameras but they mostly collect dust. I also agree that other options (SLR / Medium Format) provide advantages but to me fun is what I am after and somehow I get the most excitement when holding the simple M3.

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Also my brother's 31st birthday...

Yes, Leicas are fun, aren't they?

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I came to the conclusion that it's not possible to 'replace' a Leica, whatever you choose will be an excuse and 'workaround' with some compromises, not to dismiss other equally great systems (Nikon RF, Olympus OM, Nikon F, Pentax... etc.) all are great in their own right in some areas superior in some areas inferior. all have pro's and cons, but none of them are a Leica.
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I came to the conclusion that it's not possible to 'replace' a Leica, whatever you choose will be an excuse and 'workaround' with some compromises, not to dismiss other equally great systems (Nikon RF, Olympus OM, Nikon F, Pentax... etc.) all are great in their own right in some areas superior in some areas inferior. all have pro's and cons, but none of them are a Leica.
Agreed. Leicas are addictive, somehow. For me the best combination of usability, camera-design, lens design. As long as film will be available (and affordable) in 135 format I will keep and use my Leicas.
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I came to the conclusion that it's not possible to 'replace' a Leica, whatever you choose will be an excuse and 'workaround' with some compromises, not to dismiss other equally great systems (Nikon RF, Olympus OM, Nikon F, Pentax... etc.) all are great in their own right in some areas superior in some areas inferior. all have pro's and cons, but none of them are a Leica.
Let alone a screw-mount Leica. Which is why I find the present thread strange. As Oskar died in 1936 it's pretty weird to call all screw-mount Leicas, including the ones that appeared after he died (IIIc, IIId/IIIcDA, IIIf, IIIg), "Barnacks". My suspicion is that it's a johnny-come-lately description introduced by those who want to appear clever, or in the know: in which they fail, rather dismally.

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Or indeed before conception.

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Well, it is a Leica thread after all.

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i've gotten along with every camera and format that i have ever tried, except for that yashicamat...seeing that reversed image made me dizzy!!
i still love the rf camera the most but i refuse to shoot film again and i cannot afford a new digital rf...i had and used leica...sold leica and don't really miss it much...i think my favourite film rf was the mamiya 6 and i did love that digital rd1!!
i'm quite satidfied with my faux rf camera, the fuji xe1 along with the 23 and 56 lenses...just need to find the money to get me one of them brand new 16mm fuji lenses!
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Let alone a screw-mount Leica. Which is why I find the present thread strange. As Oskar died in 1936 it's pretty weird to call all screw-mount Leicas, including the ones that appeared after he died (IIIc, IIId/IIIcDA, IIIf, IIIg), "Barnacks". My suspicion is that it's a johnny-come-lately description introduced by those who want to appear clever, or in the know: in which they fail, rather dismally.

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You could doubt the IIIb as being his. It appeared 1938 and he died January 1936 two years before it. And was the close coupled RF and VF eyepiece his or not his? Interesting...

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You could doubt the IIIb as being his. It appeared 1938 and he died January 1936 two years before it. And was the close coupled RF and VF eyepiece his or not his? Interesting...

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Dear David,

You're probably right but I was allowing for (probably unrealistically long) lead times. My guess is that the IIIb was an intermediate model, trying out the (probably not Barnack) RF/VF eyepiece already planned for the IIIc, mechanically a much stronger camera.

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Ever since I was a young lad starting out on my own, I've aspired to owning a Leica rf. It didn't matter what model (though it had to be film), I just wanted to have one to use.

But life gets in the way sometimes, and Leica's cost more than I could usually think about. It was always much easier to get what I could afford to use right now, than try and save up for something else. And I was an SLR kind of person for a long time, only owning rf's when the occasional camera would grab my interest.

So when I decided to see if I still had the urge to own a Leica, I bought me a Zorki 1d. I liked it, but unfortunately, it shortly became a basket case. M's were out of the question because of the cost. So I looked for LTM alternatives, starting with the Contax IIa. Then Kuuvy gave me a Leidolf C-35, and I wound up kitting that out. It's not Leica, but it is screw mount, and was made in Wetzlar. But for my LTM wants, I have a Canon P. Don't have to worry about shutter burn with any of the three aforementioned cameras, and I can still enjoy Leica lenses if I want to (I've got an 4/90 Elmar).

So to me, Leica ownership is still something to look forward to, but I have other ways to keep me busy. I still look at the adverts here, and hope for a "boot sale" find on an M. Only problem is, I always find something else that will go with some other camera system I own.

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I still use a film Leica, an M7 on a regular basis and have been using film more and more. I use a Voigtlander Bessa R3A along with my Leica. I don't know why I use film with digital being so much easier to process and with the amazing quality that digital offers. Out of all of my cameras, my Leica M7 is my favorite and I love shooting with it more than any camera I own. For this reason, I never plan on selling it and I plan on shooting with film for a long time.
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I sold all my Leica stuff years ago but now I'm slowly buying it all back. I actually prefer digital photography but man, I missed cranking that lever. I am actually contemplating an R-D1, rather than another M9, as a drf.
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Some very interesting responses, even the metaphysical ones.

Another thought, for those who have moved from Leica to other cameras, did your experience with Leica influence your new camera system?
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I was big into Leica's and about 15 years ago I sold it all, which now I regret,
But! I have just purchased a M8 and a minolta 28mm f 2.8 M lens, it's a great
combo and I love being in the Leica fold again. I just missed something just
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Well, I recently purchased a M9 and 35mm and 50mm CV lenses. It's fun at times, but I prefer the Nikon Df and Sony A7 II over it at this point. I guess close focus, AF, and modern CMOS sensors are preferable to me for the photography I like to do.
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Old 06-15-2015   #80
David Hughes
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Hi,

I think the problem is that we go through cycles of being sensible and being emotional; using the words loosely to get the message over. So we are never going to get a once and for all time answer to the question, are we?

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