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Old 08-24-2012   #1
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Leica ME?

This article says Leica is to announce more than just the M10 at photokina... could this be the Leica evil camera? Anyone found other hints?

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Awesome... can't wait to see what it is.
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Yes, they're going to announce a lot. They've said as much. What are they going too announce? The person who wrote this article is speculating. I'll find out at Das Wesentlich. Until then...

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Leica ME what's that? The chronic fatigue system?
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Leica ME what's that? The chronic fatigue system?
Chronic rumour fatigue!
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Yep, but I am puzzled by the: "but we can confirm it. This is NOT a rumor - " part of the rumor. No idea how accurate the site has been in the past though.
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This article says Leica is to announce more than just the M10 at photokina... could this be the Leica evil camera? Anyone found other hints?

http://***********.com/content/new-l...photokina-2012

Sorry, I don't understand what a Leica M (evil) could possibly refer to.... From what I understand, the M is the rangefinder core of Leica. It already has the (il) interchangeable lens "feature"...

I think it more likely to find an intermediate camera between the M9/10 and the X2 that may be M-mount... either way we will see in a few weeks.
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Oh it could be Leica's promised R-solution too (when using an adaptor). I think there's place for something in between the X and M in their lineup.

Also fun to remember the same rumor from two years ago: http://leicarumors.com/2010/05/05/ru...hotokina.aspx/
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Just think, an EVIL Leica M with live view. Compact, lightweight, superb image sensor and firmware.

I could use an adapter and use my R lenses too.

Come on Solms, do the right thing.
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Gosh.

Leica issued a statement about 18 months ago that they were working on a new TTL electronic camera with the release target/announcement set for Photokina 2012. So this rumor of an "ME" model in addition to the expected (rumored) M10 should be no surprise to anyone.

The big question mark isn't that it is, but what specifically it is:
- format
- lens mount
- etc ...

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I could use an adapter and use my R lenses too. Come on Solms, do the right thing.
It's difficult to imagine that Leica would enter that evil market with an aps-c sized sensor though. Going full-frame would sound like a logical move to leave the Fuji/Sony territory. Would be a great move with the xpro2 in sight.
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Oh, I am sure Leica will be doing just what they need to do market-wise while still be true to the Leicaness of their products. Bravo.

Still, I find myself completely uninterested in these new developments. I honestly do not understand the hullabaloo (yeah, that was a fun word to finally use!) over new cameras, VFs, etc. while at the same time I am happy that Leica is keeping up with the markets and making money.

Guess I am just not a gear geek.
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Less expensive than M9 and full-frame? I buy that.
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whatever it is, it will be too expensive for me, even if the so-called ME is only twice as costly as the xpro series. i am glad, though, that leica is able to keep a good number of employees well paid. all good for the world's economy.
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... twice as costly as the xpro series...
That's one way to look at it. If indeed FF one could also say that Leica will have created a full-frame m-mount camera for half the price of the M9. Which to some of us here will be a very attractive alternative.
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I don't see Leica being able to compete with the price and features of the Fuji X-Pro1 system. And Leica never wants to compete on price anyway. I am expecting an X2 but with interchangeable lenses. I do not expect it to have a viewfinder other than an external optical viewfinder. And, as always, the price will be astronomical.
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There is plenty of room between the completely overpriced (even for Leica) X2 and the M9 series, and certainly the M10. But if it is M mount, it's still a minimum $5,000 purchase with one lens (thinking $3.5k body and $1.5k 50/2.5 lens.)
I disagree about any Leica product being over-priced. If Leica is making money, then it is priced about right....

If we are talking about me and whether or not I think it is overpriced for me... the answer is still "No". My inability to buy something has nothing to do with the price of a successful product. It is my problem.
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i would love a full frame leica r digital camera. i'd sell my x pro 1 and 35mm lens along with my hasselblad 501cm, 80 cfe, 50 fle, and 150 lenses for that. Who knows if that would even cover the cost though haha.
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Random worthless guess: the "ME" is a viewfinderless APS-C camera that has a physically M-compatible lens mount but is really designed to use new "ME" lenses with APS-C coverage, AF, auto aperture, etc. Priced halfway between X2 and M9/10 with lenses somewhat cheaper than M counterparts.
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I thought that they were going to come up with an APS-C interchangeable lens camera, but should this rumor be correct then M.E. must stand for something in German. Ahhh, no.. it is English..

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So, to sum it all up:

A full frame digital Leica with possibly an EVF finder, that can take both M and R lenses, to fill the gap between the X2 and the M9, pricewise.

Yeah, right...
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They just updated the site, saying it will be a full-frame m-mount camera:

"The "ME" name is however subject to change. It is a real Leica, not a clone or a re-badge. It will cost less than the M9. We're trying to confirm, but it should have a full frame sensor and an M mount. Available shortly after Photokina."
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Without an optical rangefinder vf, I'm most likely not too interested. I'd prefer a cropped sensor if Leica is trying to keep the price down.
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I agree, but a lot of people have been wishing for a full-frame NEX camera ever since it was released. So I think it would be on a lot of people's want list being a FF, EVF, interchangeable, especially M-mount. It would be even better if it can be adapted with R lenses to have AF. It could serve as a great backup camera next to the M9/M10/MM.

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Without an optical rangefinder vf, I'm most likely not too interested.
I don't think I can follow you. Isn't that what the M8/M9/M10 is already for? But if you have lenses like the R-mounts that need live view to focus, it's nice there's a full-frame alternative that uses different techniques than the coupled rangefinder of the traditional M's. My 25mm skopar isn't coupled either, would love to be able to use that on a system like this.
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It would be even better if it can be adapted with R lenses to have AF.
What? Leica R lenses were designed for Leica R System, which consisted of manual focus 35 mm single-lens reflex cameras and lenses. Where did you get AF from?
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So, to sum it all up:

A full frame digital Leica with possibly an EVF finder, that can take both M and R lenses, to fill the gap between the X2 and the M9, pricewise.

Yeah, right...
Maybe we are getting all a bit too excited (again ) but it's not impossible. But consider this: If the M10 will have a CMOS sensor, live view and an EVF, IT WILL BE ABLE TO MOUNT VIRTUALLY EVERY CONCEIVABLE LENS EVER MADE FOR 35MM PHOTOGRAPHY.

An M10 with an M form factor that can handle all my Leica and Nikon lenses, including the teles? And with up-to-date sensor technology and Leica build quality and simplicitly? Finally a Leica that I want to spend my hard earned cash on!
No crop factor, no smudgy, dark corners with M wide angles (as on my NEX) too!

It sounds like the holy grail of cameras to me...
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... Or the thing that'll put Leica's lens manufacturing line out of business forgood.

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What? Leica R lenses were designed for Leica R System, which consisted of manual focus 35 mm single-lens reflex cameras and lenses. Where did you get AF from?
Ha, I'm an idiot. I never own one and just asssumed that it had AF. Now I know why that system died...
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Ha, I'm an idiot. I never own one and just asssumed that it had AF. Now I know why that system died...
.... Leica M isn't autofocus and it doing fine.

Lots of people prefer manual focus you know.

Sigh.
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.... Leica M isn't autofocus and it doing fine.

Lots of people prefer manual focus you know.

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Ha, I'm an idiot. I never own one and just asssumed that it had AF. Now I know why that system died...
It can have AF, like how Contax found its solution with the Contax AX. A BIG solution, though...
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It can have AF, like how Contax found its solution with the Contax AX. A BIG solution, though...
That is actually exactly what was rumored to be launched two years ago already. Who knows? It'd be a giant stunt if Leica introduced a FF mirrorless with a moving sensor for AF...
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That is actually exactly what was rumored to be launched two years ago already. Who knows? It'd be a giant stunt if Leica introduced a FF mirrorless with a moving sensor for AF...
Giant is the right word. Do you remember how huge the Contax AX was?
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Yes, the AX was almost as big as the R8/R9.
R8 is my favorite 35mm camera. Never used an r9 though.
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So, to sum it all up:

A full frame digital Leica with possibly an EVF finder, that can take both M and R lenses, to fill the gap between the X2 and the M9, pricewise.

Yeah, right...
... and an auto-focus full-frame sensor at that as well.


I think this plot is a little thick
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Leica will eventually go AF. Why? Because that is the mainstream future and while Leica may want to stay traditional, it cannot afford to with the new generation unable to understand such reasoning.

I expect to see AF come into play very soon on the Leica M, maybe around M11 time with new AF lenses.
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Leica will eventually go AF. Why? Because that is the mainstream future and while Leica may want to stay traditional, it cannot afford to with the new generation unable to understand such reasoning.

I expect to see AF come into play very soon on the Leica M, maybe around M11 time with new AF lenses.
And many say the M9 is too expensive!

Add AF and all new lenses Wooooo Hoooooo Bucks

So, buy an AF body to use MF lenses on.... Ummmm. Many of us do that already with our m4/3. NEX, and Fuji cameras
(I have 3 native m4/3 lenses and 11 adapted lenses )
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Back to the original post~a full frame camera with a sensor optimized for M mount lenses with an evf only, no rangefinder. As long as the finder is a good one and the ergonomics mimic the M's this could be the camera (currently unable to afford an M9) I've been waiting for.
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