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Old 08-16-2012   #1
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Leica M10 to be unveiled on September 17th

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/leic...eptember-17th/

http://leicarumors.com/2012/08/15/le...-cologne.aspx/

and a 28mm 1.4 lens?
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....bring on the price drops!! @M8 & M9
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The CCD diehards will put a premium on the M8/M9.
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Isn't a Cmos sensor a downgrade from the M9?
Only to some... plenty of great photos are made with CMOS sensors. Most likely the most seen photos over the last couple of years were from a CMOS sensor.
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i honestly don't see how CCD would be better (or worse) than CMOS, but then again i know nothing on the matter.

*hugs her CMOS 5D Mark III*
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If there is a 28mm f/1.4, and if it isn't too large, that would be very interesting.
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28mm Summilux? Oh, fan those flames of GAS
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I remember when the M5 was introduced. Photographers were buying up the M4s still around and the prices were defiantly not depreciating. Yes, this was a bit different with film and all, but...

If the price of the M10 hits the upper atmosphere [and buyers can't breath ], the 'M-camera' changed too much... the CCD sensor becomes a 'classic', and photographers realise its all they need with an full frame M9, I don't see prices dropping beyond what we see now. Maybe prices will actually increase
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28 lux??? Already sounds very expensive (guessing $8k+++).
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I don't see prices dropping beyond what we see now. Maybe prices will actually increase
Yea, just like the prices for the DMR - The only digital solution for R cameras.

Oh wait...
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Thought the idea was for big FF sensors? Isn't CMOS a downgrade in MP and smaller than a FF sensor?

Maybe I got my info wrong?
There have been full frame CMOS sensor for years. Check out the D800... 36 MP CMOS fullframe.
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Somehow, as much as I would love an M9, I am just not interested in the M10 other than the fact that I wish Leica well with a new product and may it be a huge success.

I reckon the fact that waiting for the price of an M9 to drop to X2 price levels will be difficult in my lifespan and the M10 dropping down to X2 price levels is impossible.

CMOS? Video? Blech...I hope not...but then, us lower-life forms will never figure into the marketing strategy for new cameras anyway.
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Somehow, as much as I would love an M9, I am just not interested in the M10 other than the fact that I wish Leica well with a new product and may it be a huge success.
I have to agree Dave. I regret selling my M9 just a little. However, I don't want to use such expensive cameras anymore. Therefore, the M8 will have to satisfy my Leica wants (and it's still a hell of a camera IMO). I'm sure the M10 will be cool... but until it drops to below $3000, I won't have one.
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I fear 'simple and clean' will make place for 'convoluted and more buttons' when video enters the M.
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Why is that? Are you worried of being robbed with such an expensive cam as the M9?
Sometimes, but I never let it stop me from bringing my M9 everywhere. Honestly, it's more of a philisophical choice for me... I just don't really want to use cameras that cost more than $3000 with a lens. My own little barrier I've set. Once I got the Fujifilm X-Pro1, the M9 started to get used less and less.
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John, JJ,

I have a feeling that we will most likely soon see something in-between at a reasonable price as there still remains quite a price gap between the excellent X2 and the M-body while the M-body is the only interchangeable lens camera Leica makes. Just my 2 cents worth and worth everything you paid for it.

So, what could it be? Only the Shadow knows and he ain't talking...
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Why is that? Are you worried of being robbed with such an expensive cam as the M9?

That was my concern when shooting the demolition pix I sent in yesterday.

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...d.php?t=122661

My RD1 with Z21mm only cost about $2300. Still I was worried about being in a bad area known for robberies. If I'm going to get robbed I only want to lose a couple hundred $.

I guess I could get insurance if I was rich enuf to use a M9?

Or visit better neighborhoods.
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I have a feeling that we will most likely soon see something in-between at a reasonable price as there still remains quite a price gap between the excellent X2 and the M-body while the M-body is the only interchangeable lens camera Leica makes.
Yes, their APS-C 1.5x crop interchangable lens camera in the $3000-4000 range. Haven'tn heard much about it lately though. AND, it'll need to have a built in VF for me to be interested.
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I fear 'simple and clean' will make place for 'convoluted and more buttons' when video enters the M.
Yeah... I've said this before but I'm kind of expecting the worst here...
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I fear 'simple and clean' will make place for 'convoluted and more buttons' when video enters the M.
Only if you have ONE additional video-start-button, like some cameras have. It would be possible to switch to video mode from the menu without an extra button.
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ahh, yeah ... the beauty of the rumor: Everybody can relate to it and interpret in any way he/she wants to.
Have I missed the letter "M" and the no. "10" in the supposed Leica invitation? Ooops, then it wouldn't be a rumor anymore. Just forget about it....
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I'd be surprised if the form changed much, really... I think Leica knows their market. Updated sensor and electronics, live view, and probably not much else.
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ahh, yeah ... the beauty of the rumor: Everybody can relate to it and interpret in any way he/she wants to.
Have I missed the letter "M" and the no. "10" in the supposed Leica invitation? Ooops, then it wouldn't be a rumor anymore. Just forget about it....
Have any indication that the M10 isn't coming in September?
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Sometimes, but I never let it stop me from bringing my M9 everywhere. Honestly, it's more of a philisophical choice for me... I just don't really want to use cameras that cost more than $3000 with a lens. My own little barrier I've set. Once I got the Fujifilm X-Pro1, the M9 started to get used less and less.
i tend to be in the same camp. in the past few years i have been using cheaper and cheaper cameras.

the consumer grade cameras these days or so bloody good i can't see myself needing a $2,000 plus camera ever again.

will be interesting to see what they come up with i suppose.
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John, JJ,

I have a feeling that we will most likely soon see something in-between at a reasonable price as there still remains quite a price gap between the excellent X2 and the M-body while the M-body is the only interchangeable lens camera Leica makes.
CEO Albert Schopf said the same: ""We are at the borderline of compact-system cameras already, with the Leica X1 and Leica M-System, and it's pretty obvious that, at one point, we are going to offer something in between. But we have to look very carefully into what sensor parts we are using and what features we are offering."

Daniels, I think, also said something about the M-concept becoming the basis for a myriad of products. Why could one of these not be an aps-c M8.3?
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Well, I've got my invitation, and I know there's going to be a lot there. But I also wonder where on earth these speculations spring from. I mean, speculating on the number of buttons...

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Sometimes, but I never let it stop me from bringing my M9 everywhere. Honestly, it's more of a philisophical choice for me... I just don't really want to use cameras that cost more than $3000 with a lens.
I've never feared crime really, but when I went sailing with a friend last weekend and the wind was really rough, I realized that if we were to keel over, I'd lose camera and lens, and how the fear for this should not be a reason not to bring my camera to such days on the waters where I like to photograph boats and people. I doubt I'd want to bring a $7000 camera though if the possibility to lose it is far from hypothetical.
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Have any indication that the M10 isn't coming in September?
I for sure have less information than Roger ...
but to explicitly answer your question: No I don't - as much as all others have that it will be.
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Only if you have ONE additional video-start-button, like some cameras have. It would be possible to switch to video mode from the menu without an extra button.
M9 has an on/off/picture mode switch already. Wouldn't be too hard to add video as an option. No new button needed.
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Well, I've got my invitation, and I know there's going to be a lot there. But I also wonder where on earth these speculations spring from. I mean, speculating on the number of buttons...

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Or we could complain about how awful Hipstamatic shots are.
At least they are obviously polarizing and that is a sure thing to get some attention...
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Good luck to leica, I'm keeping with my old M9 until it gets nice and brassy! Previous poster mentioned being too worried about using such an expensive camera I can't believe anyone would spend so much on a camera and not get insurance. For my three canon 1d series cameras, L lenses etc, M9 and three M lenses it costs me around £30 a month and thats for professional use including in the boot of my car.
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I've never feared crime really, but when I went sailing with a friend last weekend and the wind was really rough, I realized that if we were to keel over, I'd lose camera and lens, and how the fear for this should not be a reason not to bring my camera to such days on the waters where I like to photograph boats and people. I doubt I'd want to bring a $7000 camera though if the possibility to lose it is far from hypothetical.
That's the purpose of insurance. Mine covers all situations for loss or damage, including my own stupidity, with no deductible and an automatic increase in value up to 150% (with no increase in premium) if replacement prices rise over time. To cover near $25k in gear, I spend just over $300 annually, less than the cost of my film and materials in the old days. No-brainer.

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To cover near $25k in gear, I spend just over $300 annually, less than the cost of my film and materials in the old days. No-brainer.

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