Old 06-05-2012   #321
Pete B
Registered User
 
Pete B's Avatar
 
Pete B is offline
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,170
Some get on fine with Silverfast but I suspect it'll be an abridged version so extra will need to be coughed up for one reason or another.
Pete
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-05-2012   #322
karlori
Digital Refugee
 
karlori is offline
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Croatia
Posts: 412
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdruziak View Post
Really? Even with Silverfast 8?
I've been a victim of the upgrade/update "system" and PC upgrades coupled with lost CD's of the software (in the end bit by bit cost me more than my current scanner). To be honest i didn't try the 8 but thats more because of me getting on really great with Vuescan.
__________________
M3 DS with CZJ Sonnar 50 1.5 T (wartime LTM lens)
M3 SS with Canon 50 1.2 LTM
IIIc "stepper" with Elmar and Summar

  Reply With Quote

Old 06-05-2012   #323
mijosc
Registered User
 
mijosc's Avatar
 
mijosc is offline
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 80
I happen to like Silverfast 8 myself, although I've recently been using Vuescan more. They both have their pro's and con's. Silverfast 8's interface is much improved, Vuescan is pretty clunky. However, I like how easy it is to downsample a scanned image right in Vuescan (since with most scanners you have to scan at a grossly inflated dpi to get maximum image quality.) I feel like I have a bit more control of output with Vuescan at the expense of usability.

Ultimately I'm happy to have Silverfast included.
__________________
Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjschomer/
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-05-2012   #324
johannielscom
Ich bin ein Barnacker
 
johannielscom's Avatar
 
johannielscom is offline
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Universitas Terre Threntiae
Posts: 7,346
Another vote for VueScan, although I've already gathered from Marks earlier reply that it will not make a difference

At least it will be sold in the EU, thanks for easing my mind on that one, Mark!
__________________
Gegroet,
Johan Niels

I write vintage gear reviews on www.johanniels.com |

flickr | instagram |
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-05-2012   #325
XFer
-
 
XFer is offline
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Rome, Italy
Age: 50
Posts: 142
Mark,

please think about this: quite a few of us already have a Vuescan license.
This allows us to drive the new Plustek as well without additional costs (it's the licensing model of Vuescan).
So why pay a (hidden) cost for the bundled Silverfast 8 (which many of us don't even like)?

Say the scanner without Silverfast and without the IT8 target (which, again, some of us already have) would cost $100 less. Well for us it's a $100 saving: not bad.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-05-2012   #326
cabbiinc
Slightly Irregular
 
cabbiinc is offline
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Western Washington
Posts: 235
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdruziak View Post
Really? Even with Silverfast 8?
I've used Vuescan on 8 different scanners. I never had to check to see if I had the right version loaded (well, almost), I never had to buy a different version when I upgraded from Vista to Win7 to Win7-64. I have it installed on 2 different computers (desktop and laptop) and I don't have to worry which is connected to which USB scanner. I don't have to keep an outdated OS to support my outdated scanner since the new version of Silverfast doesn't support the old scanner on the new OS. Vuescan just works... with everything.

If you get a kickback from Silverfast then by all means bundle. If not......
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-05-2012   #327
Aristophanes
Registered User
 
Aristophanes is offline
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 802
Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbiinc View Post
If you get a kickback from Silverfast then by all means bundle. If not......
I believe Silverfast codes the drivers for Plustek scanners, if I am not mistaken.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-05-2012   #328
Rogier
Rogier Willems
 
Rogier's Avatar
 
Rogier is offline
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: San Mateo, CA
Posts: 1,185
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdruziak View Post
We hear ya loud and clear regarding VueScan! But please note that the scanner will ship with SilverFast 8.
Who will force us to pay for a full version every time we upgrade the OS or acquire an other scanner.

Their sales model and support sucks
__________________
Smiles across the wires,


Rogier Willems


http://www.flickr.com/photos/rogierwillems/

http://www.scooter-it.com
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-05-2012   #329
f16sunshine
Moderator
 
f16sunshine's Avatar
 
f16sunshine is offline
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Seattle
Age: 51
Posts: 6,258
SilverFast gargles B*llz !
I'm sure it sucks to read such poor support for that sw.
Maybe they could step it up a notch and provide better long term support.
OS's change and often. Technology is constantly evolving .. SF needs to evolve as well without taxing exhisting users.
__________________
Andy
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-05-2012   #330
Photon42
burn the box
 
Photon42's Avatar
 
Photon42 is offline
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Neutral Zone
Posts: 617
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdruziak
We hear ya loud and clear regarding VueScan! But please note that the scanner will ship with SilverFast 8.
Seems like the chiefs have decided. But guys, on occasion, change your drugs ... SF may only be in business still because of this bundeling strategy. I really wonder what actually drives decisions like that (but have some ideas, though ...). Do yourself and us a favor and make sure Vuescan supports this scanner as well from day one and bundle it with whatever you like. I also never used the vendors own RAW converters. That's hidden cost, too.

Cheers
Ivo
__________________
My Gallery
My Instagram
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-06-2012   #331
Jamie123
Registered User
 
Jamie123 is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,783
I've never seen a scanner being sold without a software to run it and I have yet to see a scanner bundled with Vuescan. Be realistic, people.

Besides it's not clear yet whether the scanner will come with Silverfast 8 Ai or SE. Ai as a standalone version costs $500 while SE costs $50. If it comes bundled with SE it's likely you're not paying that much for the software to be included.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-06-2012   #332
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
 
Chriscrawfordphoto's Avatar
 
Chriscrawfordphoto is offline
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana
Age: 43
Posts: 8,889
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie123 View Post
I've never seen a scanner being sold without a software to run it and I have yet to see a scanner bundled with Vuescan. Be realistic, people.

Besides it's not clear yet whether the scanner will come with Silverfast 8 Ai or SE. Ai as a standalone version costs $500 while SE costs $50. If it comes bundled with SE it's likely you're not paying that much for the software to be included.
Other Plustek scanners are sold without Silverfast, at a lower price than with it. I do not know what software they have, but obviously they can sell without silverfast for those who want to save money or who just don't like Silverfast.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-06-2012   #333
Jamie123
Registered User
 
Jamie123 is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,783
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chriscrawfordphoto View Post
Other Plustek scanners are sold without Silverfast, at a lower price than with it. I do not know what software they have, but obviously they can sell without silverfast for those who want to save money or who just don't like Silverfast.
Sure, they can sell it without Silverfast if they have their own software but they cannot sell it with no software at all. So if they didn't develop a Plustek software and decided to go with Silverfast instead then there's no chance they will sell it unbundled.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-06-2012   #334
k__43
Registered Film User
 
k__43's Avatar
 
k__43 is offline
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 947
this turned into a SF bashing thread quite fast, so back on the topic .. when can I buy this scanner?
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-06-2012   #335
brbo
Registered User
 
brbo's Avatar
 
brbo is offline
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,427
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie123 View Post
Besides it's not clear yet whether the scanner will come with Silverfast 8 Ai or SE. Ai as a standalone version costs $500 while SE costs $50. If it comes bundled with SE it's likely you're not paying that much for the software to be included.
Software plays as important role as hardware to deliver a brilliant image. The OpticFilm 120 comes with the world recognized professional film scanning software, SilverFast Ai Studio 8, and it is full functionality. For example, SilverFast iSRD® helps dust and scratch removal and optimizes images. SilverFast Multi-Exposure® increases the dynamic range and reduces noises. Auto IT8 Calibration® helps color calibrating in 2 minutes and ensures correct colors. All in all, SilverFast Ai Studio 8 meets the highest standards, and these SilverFast software features are well-combined and perfectly-integrated with the OpticFilm 120.

(source: plustek)
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-06-2012   #336
Photon42
burn the box
 
Photon42's Avatar
 
Photon42 is offline
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Neutral Zone
Posts: 617
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie123
I've never seen a scanner being sold without a software to run it and I have yet to see a scanner bundled with Vuescan. Be realistic, people.

Besides it's not clear yet whether the scanner will come with Silverfast 8 Ai or SE. Ai as a standalone version costs $500 while SE costs $50. If it comes bundled with SE it's likely you're not paying that much for the software to be included.
Realisticly, no one has suggested that. How about shipping with VS as a standard product, just like the digileicas being sold with a LR license?
__________________
My Gallery
My Instagram
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-06-2012   #337
bwcolor
Registered User
 
bwcolor is offline
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: S.F. Bay Area
Posts: 2,355
I purchased the Optifilm 7600i, which I have yet to use. Have a 9000ED and Epson V750 Pro. I was going to use it for one-off quick scans. Silverfast was an absolute must have in that I needed the drivers to get VueScan to work. Love Vuescan... hope that drivers will be supplied separately for the new scanner. Right now, I have Vuescan working on a Mac, A PC and a Ubuntu Linux machine.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-06-2012   #338
Rogier
Rogier Willems
 
Rogier's Avatar
 
Rogier is offline
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: San Mateo, CA
Posts: 1,185
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie123 View Post
I've never seen a scanner being sold without a software to run it and I have yet to see a scanner bundled with Vuescan. Be realistic, people.

Besides it's not clear yet whether the scanner will come with Silverfast 8 Ai or SE. Ai as a standalone version costs $500 while SE costs $50. If it comes bundled with SE it's likely you're not paying that much for the software to be included.
Plustek could offer its own driver and support it with free upgrades to keep up with newer operating systems etc. Just like Canon and Epson does. Not that they are the great pieces of software but its at least something that works and does't require the ripp off by SF.

It they really want to make a difference and totally stand out from the competition. Invest in software engineers and have them build excellent software. There is a huge need for an alternative to the current offerings.
__________________
Smiles across the wires,


Rogier Willems


http://www.flickr.com/photos/rogierwillems/

http://www.scooter-it.com
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-07-2012   #339
johannielscom
Ich bin ein Barnacker
 
johannielscom's Avatar
 
johannielscom is offline
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Universitas Terre Threntiae
Posts: 7,346
Really, I don't care.

Not that I'm filthy rich or like to waste my limited cash, but I really need a scanner like this and will pay the price while subsequently shelving SF indefinitely in favor of VS.

I'm setting myself up in traditional (read: Rolleiflex and film Leica) photography and the moment where I need to be able to deliver 'as Hi-Res as possible' scans is rapidly approaching. My current 1200dpi Microtek delivers 6.1MP files from Rolleiflexes and it's too small for bigger sized prints. I can crank it up to 17x17" when using 140dpi, that's max. Soon they'll be asking me for 35x35" prints, yikes.

Once I sell that extra print, SF will already be paid for. Bring on the Plustek 120!
__________________
Gegroet,
Johan Niels

I write vintage gear reviews on www.johanniels.com |

flickr | instagram |
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-07-2012   #340
sojournerphoto
Registered User
 
sojournerphoto is offline
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,637
I'm looking forward to this scanner landing. It's important for the future of film, I think.

I've never got on with Silverfast, or it's pricing (gouging) policy and now use vuescan with my 9000 (on a 64 bit Win 7 machine). However, I've just received an email saying that SF are hosting a new book on SF8 by Mark Segal (LL contributor) that covers all the functionality in detail. It seems you have to pay extrqa for the manual now (this should be a giveaway really), but at least there is a manual.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-07-2012   #341
Jamie123
Registered User
 
Jamie123 is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,783
Quote:
Originally Posted by sojournerphoto
I'm looking forward to this scanner landing. It's important for the future of film, I think.

I've never got on with Silverfast, or it's pricing (gouging) policy and now use vuescan with my 9000 (on a 64 bit Win 7 machine). However, I've just received an email saying that SF are hosting a new book on SF8 by Mark Segal (LL contributor) that covers all the functionality in detail. It seems you have to pay extrqa for the manual now (this should be a giveaway really), but at least there is a manual.
Oh come on. Now you're just bashing SF for the sake of it. That book is not an official SF manual just like the Vuescan bible is not by Ed Hamrick and is not included with the purchase. SF has lots of instruction videos and I'm sure they have their own manual.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-07-2012   #342
Aristophanes
Registered User
 
Aristophanes is offline
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 802
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie123 View Post
I've never seen a scanner being sold without a software to run it and I have yet to see a scanner bundled with Vuescan. Be realistic, people.

Besides it's not clear yet whether the scanner will come with Silverfast 8 Ai or SE. Ai as a standalone version costs $500 while SE costs $50. If it comes bundled with SE it's likely you're not paying that much for the software to be included.
It's good to have competition.

Locking in to SF as part of a hardware scheme is not competition, and the SF upgrade thing alienated a substantial number of users, not based on the quality of their product and interface, but on their pay 2x for the same product machinations due to OS upgrades long-expected.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-07-2012   #343
Jamie123
Registered User
 
Jamie123 is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,783
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aristophanes View Post
It's good to have competition.

Locking in to SF as part of a hardware scheme is not competition, and the SF upgrade thing alienated a substantial number of users, not based on the quality of their product and interface, but on their pay 2x for the same product machinations due to OS upgrades long-expected.
Oh I fully agree. Lasersoft's pricing policy is disgusting across the board. They charge a fortune for a simple scanning software and then they have the audacity to restrict it to a single scanner model and charge for basic compatibility updates. Not to mention that their affordable SE version is simply not available for advanced scanners such as the Nikon CS9000.

That being said, even though I think it could be much better, when I have actually used SF (SF SE and SF HDR) I have found it to be quite a decent program. The UI is nothing to write home about but it is somewhat better than Vuescan's and so are their NegaFix profiles.

I would really love for there to be more competition when it comes to scanning software but I guess the market is just not attractive enough. What would be awesome is if Ed Hamrick could get together with someone who specializes in creating good interfaces. I'd even pay extra for a software like that!
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-07-2012   #344
bwcolor
Registered User
 
bwcolor is offline
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: S.F. Bay Area
Posts: 2,355
The only problem that I have ever had with Vuescan is with respect to batch scanning. For example, I'm having problems getting it to scan all frames on my V750. No probem with the 9000ED, or previous Vuescan versions. Enough to make me pull my hair out, but for the most part, it has been a wonderful piece of software.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-07-2012   #345
wblynch
Registered User
 
wblynch is offline
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Southern California
Posts: 644
I hope the new Plustek 120 scanner comes out soon so we can talk about the scanner and not 3rd party software....
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-07-2012   #346
hanskerensky
Registered User
 
hanskerensky's Avatar
 
hanskerensky is offline
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Limburg, The Netherlands
Posts: 713
Well, it now also appeared on the European site of Plustek. See products OpticFilm there. So think (hope) that we don't have to wait very long now.
__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Visit my Flickr Collections!
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-07-2012   #347
NazgulKing
Registered User
 
NazgulKing is offline
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 202
In SilverFast's defence, I have never had any issues with the software while working with the Plustek 7600Ai.

On the other hand, Vuescan has its quirks in that it sometimes communicates in some weird way with my older Canoscan 9000F and resulting in weird scans that defies logic. Thus forcing me to resort to using Canon's software that somehow resets the scanner such that Vuescan works with it again. Never mind the need to sometimes reset Vuescan. On the otherhand, with Silverfast, I haven't had much issues.

If you are going to bash the interface, in my opinion both have their stupid quirks, and quite frankly bashing either or the other just smacks of the usual nonsensical Canon vs Nikon rivalry.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-07-2012   #348
Matus
Registered User
 
Matus's Avatar
 
Matus is offline
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Frankfurt, DE
Posts: 1,843
I have used SilverFast with Microtek F1 and it was unstable (10 scans would be about max before it would crash) - it was SLOW to react and the design leaves a lot to be desired. Features were OK - actually more that one would want to use.

Needles to say that I also tested Vuescan and the design part wasn't much better.

I would personally prefer if the Plustek would come with a robust software that would have the basic necessary features implemented in a sensible way and would not try to include every feature they could think of.
__________________
________
Matus
... Flickr galleries: New Zealand , Spain
... per camera: Olympus XA , Jupiter J3 , Rolleiflex T, Mamiya 6, Ricoh GRDIII shots
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-08-2012   #349
mani
Registered User
 
mani is offline
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 770
As long as the scanner isn't locked into Silverfast I'll be happy. I find the results from Vuescan to be better in 90% of cases, but when I was tempted to buy Silverfast to cover the other 10% I was horrified to see the scandalous pricing policy which simply ramps up the price depending on the cost of the original hardware. The whole philosophy is despicable, and they lost me right there.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-08-2012   #350
billkoe
Registered User
 
billkoe is offline
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 7
I made my peace with SF 6.6 after using just once the Epson software that came with my V750. It was like learning a different language to use SF but - in spite of "quirks" - I like the features.

Their pricing scheme is rough but keep in mind that incorporating the cost within the cost of hardware makes it an inexpensive starter. It's upgrading that is the killer.

I haven't moved to 8 yet and am waiting for the pricing of the Plustek 120 to make that decision.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-09-2012   #351
mijosc
Registered User
 
mijosc's Avatar
 
mijosc is offline
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 80
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKpu0ySFM8M
__________________
Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjschomer/
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-10-2012   #352
Harry Lime
Practitioner
 
Harry Lime's Avatar
 
Harry Lime is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Here and there
Posts: 1,674
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...ilm-120-a.html
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-10-2012   #353
Jamie123
Registered User
 
Jamie123 is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,783
Quote:
Originally Posted by mijosc
Finally a scanner for that elusive 3x5 cm frame size
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-11-2012   #354
mdruziak
Registered User
 
mdruziak is offline
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Rochester NY
Posts: 167
That video was supposed to be posted with a blind URL for review. There are obviously a few... um...typos.
__________________
________________________________________
My Photo A Day Blog
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-11-2012   #355
mdruziak
Registered User
 
mdruziak is offline
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Rochester NY
Posts: 167
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie123 View Post
I've never seen a scanner being sold without a software to run it and I have yet to see a scanner bundled with Vuescan. Be realistic, people.

Besides it's not clear yet whether the scanner will come with Silverfast 8 Ai or SE. Ai as a standalone version costs $500 while SE costs $50. If it comes bundled with SE it's likely you're not paying that much for the software to be included.
SilverFast 8 Ai
__________________
________________________________________
My Photo A Day Blog
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-11-2012   #356
sojournerphoto
Registered User
 
sojournerphoto is offline
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,637
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie123 View Post
Oh come on. Now you're just bashing SF for the sake of it. That book is not an official SF manual just like the Vuescan bible is not by Ed Hamrick and is not included with the purchase. SF has lots of instruction videos and I'm sure they have their own manual.

That wasn't the intent. I found Silverfast difficult to use and non-intuitive. The same is true of vuescan oto be fair, but vuescan doesn't charge you more to use the product with a more expensive scanner or lock out other scanners.

Having said all that, v8 may be a vast improvement over my previous experience and if it is bundled, of course I will try it again. It may even resolve some of the issues with scanning colour neg with vuescan.

Mike
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-11-2012   #357
mijosc
Registered User
 
mijosc's Avatar
 
mijosc is offline
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 80
In my opinion, the interface of SF 8 is dramatically improved over previous versions.
__________________
Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjschomer/
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-11-2012   #358
billkoe
Registered User
 
billkoe is offline
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 7
I nearly gave up on SF. At first I found it like trying to put a jigsaw puzzle together without seeing the picture but I'm glad I stuck with it. It's pretty comprehensive. I don't have v.8 yet. I AM trying out v.8 of HDR to partner with the scanning software.
__________________
Bill
http://koechlingphoto.com
  Reply With Quote

Got Info...
Old 06-11-2012   #359
TRIODEROB
Registered User
 
TRIODEROB is offline
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 12
Got Info...

hey folks-

first thread here....

got some info today

plustek told me the scanner will be for sale in SEPT.

no word on price.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-12-2012   #360
johannielscom
Ich bin ein Barnacker
 
johannielscom's Avatar
 
johannielscom is offline
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Universitas Terre Threntiae
Posts: 7,346
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRIODEROB View Post
hey folks-

first thread here....

got some info today

plustek told me the scanner will be for sale in SEPT.

no word on price.
Welcome to the forum!

What communications with Plustek on this did you have? Email?, Sales rep on the phone?

Seems I might have to speed up selling some prints and leftover gear to cover for it!
__________________
Gegroet,
Johan Niels

I write vintage gear reviews on www.johanniels.com |

flickr | instagram |
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 13:15.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.