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Old 01-05-2012   #121
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I'm also betting on a focal plane shutter. Will protect the sensor from dust, too.
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Old 01-05-2012   #122
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I only commented on the used market, jsrockit. Real "Leica-men" buy new anyway.
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The two parts of this camera I'm looking forward to hearing more about are:

leaf shutters

and external focus.

I'm curious if there is indeed (secondary?) external focus, if this would be used for low light situations where contrast AF can have difficulty. It could be mighty speedy!
I'm absolutely not technically inclined here, but I think a lot of the more advanced AF cameras are using a separate AF sensor, using somehow a beam splitter. As this may not what Fuji wants to do (a translucent mirror e.g.), they might have developed something else external to the lens/sensor.
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It's not a pocket cam. The X100 handles well... not sure why you think it doesn't.
If I'm not mistaken, Rogier is a countryman of mine.

Most dutch tend to be rather tall.

So lots of stuff is usually a bit difficult to handle if it's compact.

i consider my F5 a point & shoot more or less.
It's still abit on the smaller side of comfy though.

( I'm not tall though, just have large hands)
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Yes, on SLRs there is a semi-silvered portion of the main mirror which lets quite a bit of light through, a smaller mirror behind this reflects this light down to the AF sensor down in the bottom of the camera body to do the phase detection thingy. The problem with this approach on a non-SLR camera should be obvious
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If I'm not mistaken, Rogier is a countryman of mine.

Most dutch tend to be rather tall.

So lots of stuff is usually a bit difficult to handle if it's compact.

i consider my F5 a point & shoot more or less.
It's still abit on the smaller side of comfy though.

( I'm not tall though, just have large hands)
I see... I thought of that, but me being 6' 2" and having big hands I think the X100 is still easy to handle. Perhaps you guys are larger than me though.
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Been seeing rumors elsewhere that the 1300 euros actually includes the 35mm 1.4 lens. I guess January 10 will let us know the rest.
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@ JSROCKIT Over here you're of average height like me.

Most of my co-workers are 6,4 or taller.
I was malnourished as a kid which stunted my growth.
Gramps was over 6,5.
He had to dip slightly when entering a room.

Most camera's feel small so I'm not bothered by a NEX or the x100 felling small, I tend to cradle the camera om my palm anyway.
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@ JSROCKIT Over here you're of average height like me.
Ah, I see. My dad is 6' 7"... so he'd fit in.

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ost camera's feel small so I'm not bothered by a NEX or the x100 felling small, I tend to cradle the camera om my palm anyway.
Yep, I cradle on the palm and think that works well. Perhaps others think that's no good.

Back to the post... Steve Huff's site is stating that there could be another Fuji, outside of the X-Pro1, which a larger sensor being released later in the year (unless I'm reading that cryptic message wrong).
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I see... I thought of that, but me being 6' 2" and having big hands I think the X100 is still easy to handle. Perhaps you guys are larger than me though.
Its about the balance between body and lens. Many of these camera's look and feel like a Lend with a Body attached to it...
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This pretty much sums up how I feel about this right now:

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I'm 6'1" and wear XL gloves - the Thumbs Up grip for the X100 helps immensely.
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I'm trying to grok this who viewfinder issue. From the rumor sites, people seem to be assuming that the viewfinder will zoom to match the focal length of the lenses. That sounds a lot like the Contax G finder, but I find it hard to believe. I also wonder how good that can be, given that the G viewfinder never got many accolades. I imagined that it would be like an M, with a set magnification and then framelines on the digital overlay. That would make it a bit odd to switch to the EVF I guess, a little like a zoom. Any one have any clarity on this issue?
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I'm really hoping this "external AF" is an active IR system just like in the Konica Hexar AF. This was what I wanted for the X-100.

It would mean AF will be blazing fast, will operate in total darkness AND will be able to focus on low-contrast objects such as featureless walls (that's an example - DON'T take photos of featureless walls).

Being able to focus in total darkness at high speed would be a revelation for a camera with such a good high ISO performance (assuming it is just as good as the X-100).
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Its about the balance between body and lens. Many of these camera's look and feel like a Lend with a Body attached to it...
True, but for me the difference between too small and even smaller is not really an issue.
I'm past noticing it.

This Fuji looks larger than the NEX 7 which would be great.

Are there any adapter for legacy lense yet for this X mount?
Or is it whole new mount.
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I'm really hoping this "external AF" is an active IR system just like in the Konica Hexar AF. This was what I wanted for the X-100.

It would mean AF will be blazing fast, will operate in total darkness AND will be able to focus on low-contrast objects such as featureless walls (that's an example - DON'T take photos of featureless walls).

Being able to focus in total darkness at high speed would be a revelation for a camera with such a good high ISO performance (assuming it is just as good as the X-100).
How dare you stop us from taking pictures of featureless walls
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And for those who haven't seen it here's more info

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/firs...he-fuji-x-pro/

Seriously like the price if this is true...
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I'm really hoping this "external AF" is an active IR system just like in the Konica Hexar AF. This was what I wanted for the X-100.

It would mean AF will be blazing fast, will operate in total darkness AND will be able to focus on low-contrast objects such as featureless walls (that's an example - DON'T take photos of featureless walls).

Being able to focus in total darkness at high speed would be a revelation for a camera with such a good high ISO performance (assuming it is just as good as the X-100).
If you refer to the text passage in the French article, then you should be a little careful.

The phrase in question is incomplete and contains a grammatical mistake. I'm not at all sure what it means, but from its context, I would much rather guess that the article simply intends to say that the new camera's OVF will also feature parallax compensation.

There's nothing on the camera front that would indicate that the camera would also feature an IR-assist AF system.

BTW, the Mirrorless Rumors blog appears to be a simple rehash of the French article, and it reproduces the faulty text passage with an interpretation:
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The autofocus sensor is…external! There is a special AF sensor on the camera body!
I don't believe this until I see a better, more credible source.
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There's nothing on the camera front that would indicate that the camera would also feature an IR-assist AF system.
Agreed - people are making up their own specs here. There's no current digital camera that has an IR assist style AF system for whatever reason, and I don't think this one has one either. if you look at the hexar AF it has a multitude of windows and sensors next to the viewfinder, this x-pro has no visible external sensors.
Besides that, it DOES have an external AF assist light, which WILL allow you to photograph a featureless wall in complete darkness, if you so choose (as will the x100 with its assist light)

Also, the whole suggested beam splitter/projected rangefinder thing isn't going to happen either. It's an autofocus camera, and will have a basic MF mode to supplement it, just like the x100.
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The hybrid OVF/EVF is cool, provided they improved the EVF in this second gen, whatever improvement means. I did not mind the EVF component of the X100 but it would be nice to see it come up to the level of the Sony EVF which has much less lag in lower light.

It would be disorienting to switch from OVF to EVF if the OVF only shows framelines and no zoom.

The main thing of interest in this camera to me are the new sensor implementation details, but those aren't disclosed in any substantive way as yet. If the camera offers a manual focus assist mode (magnification and edge detection / focus peaking a la Sony and Ricoh) such that adapted lenses can be used on it, then and only then will I be really interested.


Put another way, if I can't run my adapted M mount lenses on it, the camera probably won't attract my dollars. I'm not about to sell lenses I like, that work in a more open environment, for lenses I might like that only work on a closed system made by Fuji or anyone else.


Otherwise it'll be yet another closed camera system from yet another maker, albeit with a new (but unproven) sensor technology that might offer value to photographers as opposed to offering value to camera makers (cheaper or easier to produce).
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I agree that a 35mm equivalent lens will be very important. The gap between 27mm and 53 is enormous and would be far from ideal for me.
Lets see.....
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Besides that, it DOES have an external AF assist light, which WILL allow you to photograph a featureless wall in complete darkness, if you so choose (as will the x100 with its assist light)
Pity - I HATE AF assist lights ... They're so indiscreet and I find they always alert my featureless walls as to my intent and they usually manage to escape before I've fired the shot ...
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Just to support those who would like to see 21 and 35 (FX equiv.) lenses - count me in
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I can't believe that Fuji have managed to wind this place up to fever pitch twice in the space of twelve months with their offerings!

That has to be some sort of record surely?
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I plan to use both. X100 w/ 35mm and X-Pro1 w/ 28mm & 50mm.
+1 Mostly like will get the 60mm as my first lens for the system followed by the 35mm
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Surely they will offer a body-only version. If someone were to want two of these bodies, they surely wouldn't want two of the same lenses to go with them.
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I only hope that it will have at least AF or MF, not like x100 with no F at all.
I just realized I'm the luckiest photographer on earth since my in-focus rate with the X100 is essentially identical to the high in-focus rate I enjoyed with my Zeiss Ikon ZM film body. Apparently I am able to record large numbers of focused images with a camera that has "no F at all".

I'm off to the loacal casino to see if my luck translates to the gaming tables.
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I can't believe that Fuji have managed to wind this place up to fever pitch twice in the space of twelve months with their offerings!
I heard through the grapevine RFF may open a sister site, or change its address, to www.fujirangefinderesqueforum.com
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Having only just bought an X100, I thank Fuji for making the X-Pro 1 lumpy and ugly.
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Having only just bought an X100, I thank Fuji for making the X-Pro 1 lumpy and ugly.
And we thank you for buying that X100.
This means better chances of getting the pre-order sooner rather than later for the rest of us.
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The existance of the x100 in my eyes is a short term excuse for the lack of the 35mm equivolent lens. Yes, today they do not want to undermine the x100, but it has to hard to sell one camera at these prices, much harder to sell two, and 35mm is such a fundamental focal length. The question I would guess is, will there be an x200 or x300? When that line is dropped in favor of the xPro thingy the 35mm equivolent lens will be offered.
I suspect that Fuji will not release a 35mm equiv. lens before their stock of X100 thins out. Then by the time they will release a 35mm equiv. lens, the X100 will have a newer generation, and possibly, a fast lens short zoom. Perhaps 28-40 F2.
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stupid fuji. your aperture ring moves the wrong way. just like all the supermodels with ears that are too large or elbows that are too pointy, i throw you back.
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Question Regarding the Sensor

What do we know about this new sensor? I understand no AA filter. I understand what the microlenses do. Can someone explain the advantage of hexagonal sensor sites and six color filter array. I assume that the hexagonal arrangement somehow increases the photo sensitive area and the low light performance. Is this correct? What does the color filter do and why will this camera exceed the performance of full frame sensor cameras?
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I don't think anyone can answer those questions, bwcolor - so far it's all Fuji marketing hype.

If it meets the D7000/K5 level of performance (also 16MP in APS-C), I'll be happy. If it exceeds, ecstatic.
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Can someone explain the advantage of hexagonal sensor sites and six color filter array.
I would think that hexagonal sensor sites would help mitigate aliasing.
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Hopefully the AF is better than the X100 AF. The AF gives me the biggest disappointment with this camera. Whenever there is some depth in the scene with foreground and background items there is a fair chance that the AF choses the background objects although I want the foreground object. I often use the ground next to the object for focussing and then compose.
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