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Old 08-06-2019   #1
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Refurbished M9 a la carte?

Interesting...

https://www.slack.co.uk/m9-for-ccd-lovers.html
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Totally great!
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I thought more would be interested in this weird offer...
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I thought more would be interested in this weird offer...


I can change the leather on any of my cameras for a total cost of $25, to any colour that I want.
Paying $3400 for a used camera that Leica no longer supports that frankly has had terrible reliability issues is pretty tough especially considering really nice used M240s are about $2500. Add $25 for leather colour of your choice.

Yeah, it's not a CCD M, but it is much more reliable, has a much better shutter, has a much more robust rf mechanism (my rf has never drifted on my M240, it did w regularity on my M-E) and has live view which I have found extremely useful in order to calibrate my lenses.

When Leica is now selling a new M-E for $3995, paying $3400 for a used camera with wear, umm no. "But it's been serivced by Leica!" Yeah, is that a selling point seeing the quality of product they have turned out?
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I can change the leather on any of my cameras for a total cost of $25, to any colour that I want.
Paying $3400 for a used camera that Leica no longer supports that frankly has had terrible reliability issues is pretty tough especially considering really nice used M240s are about $2500. Add $25 for leather colour of your choice.

Yeah, it's not a CCD M, but it is much more reliable, has a much better shutter, has a much more robust rf mechanism (my rf has never drifted on my M240, it did w regularity on my M-E) and has live view which I have found extremely useful in order to calibrate my lenses.

When Leica is now selling a new M-E for $3995, paying $3400 for a used camera with wear, umm no. "But it's been serivced by Leica!" Yeah, is that a selling point seeing the quality of product they have turned out?
Each and every rational point you make is spot-on but there's been much grumbling on sites like this about the absence of a "CCD look" nowadays.
For those dies-hards, this may be their last chance to feed that need.
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I still am using mainly an M8 and and M9. If I change away from the M9 to some other camera, it will be most likely one of these: M10, M 240, or SL. Reason: predicted reliability. CMOS or CCD is not an issue for me. Work on improving my photography is more important.
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I can change the leather on any of my cameras for a total cost of $25, to any colour that I want.
Paying $3400 for a used camera that Leica no longer supports that frankly has had terrible reliability issues is pretty tough especially considering really nice used M240s are about $2500. Add $25 for leather colour of your choice.

Yeah, it's not a CCD M, but it is much more reliable, has a much better shutter, has a much more robust rf mechanism (my rf has never drifted on my M240, it did w regularity on my M-E) and has live view which I have found extremely useful in order to calibrate my lenses.

When Leica is now selling a new M-E for $3995, paying $3400 for a used camera with wear, umm no. "But it's been serivced by Leica!" Yeah, is that a selling point seeing the quality of product they have turned out?
I wouldn’t buy it either but I found it interesting. It doesn’t make me mad like it did to you. Haha.
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Old 08-08-2019   #8
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Well, it seems to be a better deal than what Leica offers as an alternative to upgrading a Leica M model from a sensor corroded model.
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I think it's pretty cool.

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I wouldn’t buy it either but I found it interesting. It doesn’t make me mad like it did to you. Haha.
I am NOT MAD!! AAAAARRGGGHHH!

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Well, it seems to be a better deal than what Leica offers as an alternative to upgrading a Leica M model from a sensor corroded model.
Hmm..

Let's look at it another way. Leica's upgrade offer is currently $5200 to the M10 if you surrender your defective M9. The sensor replacement cost by itself is now $1600!!! So anyone who is looking at cheap M9s w/o the current sensor, they better be reaaaal cheap to make it worth your while.

But I digress... The new m10 is $7200. You can now buy used M10s for $4000-$4500 (how about that Leica holding it's value rep, eh?!). So you can buy a used M10 for $4500, and still have your M9 and $700 over. Take that $700 and put it to the replacement cost of the sensor. Therefore you will only be paying $900.

So if you do what Leica wants you to do, you will get an M10 for $5200 and they get to flip your old camera for $3400! Do the smart thing, sorta, and for $900 more you can have your M10 and repaired M9.

Ask yourself this, how on earth can it cost $1600 to replace the sensor? You can buy an entire brand spankin new Sony A7 with FF 24mp sensor for $800!! Or A7II for $1400!!

Do I have a point? No, cuz I can't stand the Sonys. No joy in using them at all.


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I have had my M9 for three years, paid $2,100 for it with 1767 actuations The corrosion only started appearing 5 or 6 months ago. Do I want to have a $3700 M9? I have an M8 and z-6. It would make about as much sense as someone getting one of these Leica refurbs for $3400.
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You can pick up M240's for less these days, and over all it's a far superior camera then M9 can ever be.
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someone will end up with my old M9 in pink leatherette. What a sad thought.
That said .. I swapped it in for a 262 and couldn't be happier with the upgrade.
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Yeah, it's not a CCD M, but it is much more reliable, has a much better shutter, has a much more robust rf mechanism (my rf has never drifted on my M240, it did w regularity on my M-E) and has live view which I have found extremely useful in order to calibrate my lenses.
Is this really true? I have been out of "the market" for a CMOS M, as my M9 trundles along, so I am really asking out of ignorance. But is the M10 shutter more reliable and have they cheaped out on the M9 RF? Seems odd on a $5,000 camera (in its day) . . .
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Is this really true? I have been out of "the market" for a CMOS M, as my M9 trundles along, so I am really asking out of ignorance. But is the M10 shutter more reliable and have they cheaped out on the M9 RF? Seems odd on a $5,000 camera (in its day) . . .
By much better shutter, I mean the action/feel of using it is so much nicer, smoother and crisper it is really surprising that the M9 shutter release made it to production. Outside my Zenits, I've never experienced a worse feeling shutter release.
The sound is also so much nicer on the M240 (and M10).
I don't know what Leica changed in the RF, but it has been rock solid on my M, while my M-E(M9) needed occasional adjustment. I've also been able to nail focus wide open all the time w little effort with my M, but it seemed much tougher with my M-E.

Just because Leica charge $5000+ (I think it was about $6000 for the M9, more for the M9P) doesn't mean they didnt cheap out. How do you explain that joke for an LCD screen they put on the camera, when you could buy a $300 camera at the same time that had a better screen?
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The M9 was $7000 when released. Unfortunately, I paid that price so I remember.
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So, this is where trade-in for corroded sensors is ended up.

And Huss, Leica does supoort M9 series. Cut the ...
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By much better shutter, I mean the action/feel of using it is so much nicer, smoother and crisper it is really surprising that the M9 shutter release made it to production. Outside my Zenits, I've never experienced a worse feeling shutter release.
The sound is also so much nicer on the M240 (and M10).
I don't know what Leica changed in the RF, but it has been rock solid on my M, while my M-E(M9) needed occasional adjustment. I've also been able to nail focus wide open all the time w little effort with my M, but it seemed much tougher with my M-E.

Just because Leica charge $5000+ (I think it was about $6000 for the M9, more for the M9P) doesn't mean they didnt cheap out. How do you explain that joke for an LCD screen they put on the camera, when you could buy a $300 camera at the same time that had a better screen?
Film Ms were made to endure for decades. These digital versions are made to endure until the next product cycle upgrade.
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My M9-P is over 7 years old. Two sensor replacements for free. I love the colours. The shutter is not as nice as my Monochrom CCD. Love both cameras and no plans to upgrade. I would indeed be tempted to get one of these refurbished ones if anything happened to my current cameras.
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My M9-P is over 7 years old. Two sensor replacements for free. I love the colours. The shutter is not as nice as my Monochrom CCD. Love both cameras and no plans to upgrade. I would indeed be tempted to get one of these refurbished ones if anything happened to my current cameras.
They’ll be long sold out by the time than happens
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All things said, Leica continues to offer a free sensor replacement for corroded CCD rangefinders bought new within the past 5 years. Decent. In my opinion, their upgrade program -offered instead of the free sensor replacement, is not all that attractive price wise.
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I think I will be the owner of a $3700 M9. Reviewing the M10 features it doesn’t offer more features than the Nikon mirrorless cameras. In fact even less and I would have to see markedly better image quality for $5000. The z-6 provides awesome images with all of my Leica glass, as well as any other lenses I own - Leica R, m42 mount etc. When I wish to have the rangefinder experience I’ll grab my M8 or M9 with new sensor or one of my half dozen film Leicas.
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All things said, Leica continues to offer a free sensor replacement for corroded CCD rangefinders bought new within the past 5 years. Decent. In my opinion, their upgrade program -offered instead of the free sensor replacement, is not all that attractive price wise.
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My 2012 M9-P had a free new sensor 2014. And the Monochrom 2018 at 4 years, and 11 months. I would have paid for the final version corrosion-free sensor for the M9-P when subtle signs of that emerged but since it had needed replacement before, the further replacement was also free. Seven years of free servicing of two cameras. Not bad.
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My M9 needed twice a sensor replacement by Leica with one repair costing $400 and one being free. The M8 had dead zones that needed repair on the sensor. This cost me $400, I think.
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Raid,

How have you been lately?

My apologies for being out of touch. I happened to see these refurbed M9s on another forum a week ago, and the choice of colors is amazing, and I think the offer is a good one!

Don't you need to buy one for each of your lovely daughters in their personal choice of colors?

Our oldest granddaughter just got a new Canon this past Christmas. I wish I could buy her a refurbed M9 with the purple leather! Maybe she would let me use it too.
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I have seen the photos of these refurbished cameras and they are nice, love the colors !

Of course they have to be mainly evaluated as tools and not so much for this aesthetic: in this respect I have to say I have seen many excellent photos taken with M9, so I assume they are ok, of course depending on the photographer's style and way to photograph.

Now the price...hmmm not sure what to think...

But it seems me an interesting idea from Leica...

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I wonder how many more of these Leica can make from the M9 sensor trade-ins? It's likely that the spare top and bottom plates for M9-P upgrades and repairs are being used for these cameras.
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I sent a message to the email address in the article a week ago but have not received a response. Has anyone had any luck purchasing one of the refurbished M9s?
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I sent a message to the email address in the article a week ago but have not received a response. Has anyone had any luck purchasing one of the refurbished M9s?
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Most likely, Leica has sold out all refurbished M9 , M9P, and MM cameras by now. They will become "collector's items", some predict. If I did not have an M9, I may have thought about getting a refurbished M9P from Leica. It makes more sense maybe to get an M10 or an SL or an SL2. (or sigma?)

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I had an M9 and loved the results. Then I got an M262 and never could get comfortable with the images, so I sold it. Now what do I do?
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I had an M9 and loved the results. Then I got an M262 and never could get comfortable with the images, so I sold it. Now what do I do?
Buy an M9. Or any film Leica.
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I would skip the M9 and get a used M10, if the budget allows it. Else, look for a M9 with a new sensor in it.
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I had an M9 and loved the results. Then I got an M262 and never could get comfortable with the images, so I sold it. Now what do I do?
What's the last camera you were happy using (that you don't already have)? Buy that again...
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I had an M9 and loved the results. Then I got an M262 and never could get comfortable with the images, so I sold it. Now what do I do?
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I had an M9 and loved the results. Then I got an M262 and never could get comfortable with the images, so I sold it. Now what do I do?
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It really doesn't seem that complicated. Well, unless you want to build a time machine.

Might I suggest converting a hot tub?
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