Old 06-10-2019   #41
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this reminds me of what happened when they retired velvia 50 many years ago and then brought it back, reformulated. it was due to hard to get or now illegal in japan, parts of the emulsion. Happy that they went back and reformulated it. Im sure that they paid attention to what happened in the short time after it was made public that they were going to disconnected it.


maybe they played it safe, discontinuing it and working on the new version to see if they could get it to work. look at ektachrome. not as easy to bring back a retired emulsion in today's environment as we film shooter think.
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Old 06-10-2019   #42
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Acros was good film, especially when rebranded by Freestyle.
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Had to quote myself, from the earlier "frozen master roll" conspiracy thread:

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Anybody have a clue why Fuji would want to hide discontinuation of film? Wouldn't saying "this is the last we have" be a good way to get it all out the door?

Remember when Holga cameras were "discontinued" and the manufacturer claimed they threw away all the tooling? Then a year later, magically, the tooling was "discovered" and new cameras were made?

Good to know a new Acros has been discovered.
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Old 06-10-2019   #44
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Fujifilm Acros II announced

I applaud the announcement and dismiss all the negative comments on this thread.
They sound like children in the schoolyard:
So and so wont play with me so he/she is not my friend anymore!

A decision was made internally to launch an initiative to devote time and resources to finding a solution to the Acros problem.
Was the solution operational, recipe, ingredients or more accurate measuring market demand for the product?
Maybe they found that there are profits to be made in b&w consumer film or perhaps they just want to maintain a market share at any cost.
We will never know.

We do know that film is a microscopic component of Fujifilms global business so we should thank the brave staff, managers and directors who stuck their neck out to bring the film back.

Keep the snide comments to yourself, kids.



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Had to quote myself, from the earlier "frozen master roll" conspiracy thread:




Good to know a new Acros has been discovered.
Too bad Kubrick didnít shoot the moon landing with Acros. But itís not too late for the Mars mission which is part of the moon.
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I’m all in. If it’s a slight reformulation, I probably won’t mind—I never really saw much difference in all the permutations of RVP over the years.

Maybe I missed it in the articles, but I hope 120 will be offered. Hands down my favorite in that format. Until then, I’ve got 10 rolls to meter out carefully this summer.
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Iím all in. If itís a slight reformulation, I probably wonít mindóI never really saw much difference in all the permutations of RVP over the years.

Maybe I missed it in the articles, but I hope 120 will be offered. Hands down my favorite in that format. Until then, Iíve got 10 rolls to meter out carefully this summer.
Yes, should be released in 120 format. In the original Fujifilm press release, Google translates it as "brownie size" from Japanese.
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Very good news, indeed.
But not so surprising: Remember that just some months ago Fujifilm published an official statement at their own Fujifilm gallery in Tokyo that they are seroiusly thinking about a new BW film:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw_L1M4lHIo/

And those of us rff members which joined last Photokina have seen the quite positive Fujifilm film show on their booth there. It was the best representation of all film manufacturers. There Fujifilm also made a clear official commitment to film.

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Where are the usual doom and gloom sayers now?
They are not interested in facts.
They just recently have written that Fuji will never come back with any film.

The film come back is real. Period.

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Old 06-11-2019   #49
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Great news for the fans of Acros. I've never used it, how would you describe it in comparison to T-Max 100?

Hope this isn't too hard on other manufacturers like Adox, who specialize in medium and lower sensitivity films.

Personally I'd be more excited about another ISO 400 or higher option. I feel there might be a place for an ISO 800 film, the so-called 3200 films are a very big step from the 400 ones in terms of grain, and low contrast when pulled down to 800.
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Not the hugest fan of Acros when I shot black and white film. Had "a look" but I never got on with it. That said, who could possibly be angry over Fuji (or anyone) releasing a new film stock? Why?
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Not the hugest fan of Acros when I shot black and white film. Had "a look" but I never got on with it. That said, who could possibly be angry over Fuji (or anyone) releasing a new film stock? Why?
Normally no one. At least no one with a rational mind.
Those who have liked Acros can be happy.
Also those young photographers who so far haven't had the chance to try it because it was sold out before they discovered this film.
Those who don't like Acros or are not interested in it: No problem either, because no one is forced to buy it. They can just ignore it and will be fine.
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The fact it will only be available in Japan for the first year kind of dampens my enthusiasm. Now if I want any, it will likely come from some reseller with a hefty mark-up. I'll stick to FP4+ for now.


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Good news....I need analog camera now

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The fact it will only be available in Japan for the first year kind of dampens my enthusiasm. Now if I want any, it will likely come from some reseller with a hefty mark-up. I'll stick to FP4+ for now.
Is that a fact? I'd presume that Fuji would sell even less Acros 100 II at the start of the new production than they did before Acros 100 discontinuation was announced. Remember, people have freezers full of old Acros 100 now. Why would Fuji limit themselves to Japan market only?

Unless this is the Neopan 400 "reintroduction"...
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Is that a fact? I'd presume that Fuji would sell even less Acros 100 II at the start of the new production than they did before Acros 100 discontinuation was announced. Remember, people have freezers full of old Acros 100 now. Why would Fuji limit themselves to Japan market only?

Unless this is the Neopan 400 "reintroduction"...
The bottom of this PetaPixel article notes that "Fujifilm says it will be launching Neopan 100 Acros II in 35mm and 120 medium format exclusively in Japan this fall before bringing it to international markets afterward based on photographer demand."

I didn't see a citation or other sources, so take that for whatever it's worth.
https://petapixel.com/2019/06/10/fuj...s-ii-unveiled/
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Is that a fact? I'd presume that Fuji would sell even less Acros 100 II at the start of the new production than they did before Acros 100 discontinuation was announced. Remember, people have freezers full of old Acros 100 now. Why would Fuji limit themselves to Japan market only?
They of course won't. Acros was offered worldwide, and of course Acros II will be also offered worldwide. They sold much more Acros outside Japan than in Japan.
But as Japan is their home market (tradition) they will probably give the first shipments to the Japanese market, and the global markets will follow a bit later (that has almost always been the case with their new products).
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That's great news! Neopan 400 was my "go to" in the years before film diminished. I still have several 100 foot rolls in the deep freeze. On not "trusting" a film company: every artist has to make their peace with their materials. Perhaps a wet-plate process would work better than film for those in that position. Go for it.
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Everyone please buy lots of this stuff - so Fuji will begin making Neopan 400/Presto again!

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So this announcement should put the rumor to rest that Fuji has dismantled coating facility a while back and has been just selling off left over films over the years.
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So this announcement should put the rumor to rest that Fuji has dismantled coating facility a while back and has been just selling off left over films over the years.
Likely there will be strong insistence, complete with "inside information" that this is simply some long lost master roll discovered in some sub-basement storage facility.
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I only have a stockpile of 120 Acros. My 135 Acros is down to the last roll.

In the meantime I loaded up with FP4 which turned out alright, but the new Acros II has me excited.

Thank you Fuji.

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I'll take acros ii - I know some people don't like it's "poor" tonality- but I love the contrast in broad daylight shots - so steely

Now provia 400x is a loooong shot, and will probably cost $25 a roll, but I still want some more
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I recently spoke to the manager of a local Fujifilm shop here in Tokyo... he has no information on a possible ship date of Acros II... he mentioned that they don't get any advance notice so he's checking the Fujifilm official web site for any information... he's waiting for the film as well ; )
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Acros was good film, especially when rebranded by Freestyle.
What does re-branding do to make it "especially" superior?
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What does re-branding do to make it "especially" superior?

Price........
And that was probably the factor that kills most films,

people feeling it is expensive.
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Old 11-05-2019   #66
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Excellent news. Now if they would just resurrect Neopan 1600 . . .
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great. now wake me up when neopan 400 II comes along.
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Still no sign of Acros.
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Will be released on November 22!
https://emulsive.org/articles/fujifi...nd-120-formats
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Yes, here is the original release statement from Fujifilm:
https://www.fujifilm.co.jp/corporate...ffnr_1489.html

I am looking for shooting my first rolls of this film, comparing it to Acros I.

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Here is the Fujifilm USA press release. Looks like Japan will get the initial release, with other international markets to follow in early 2020:
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After the initial launch of ACROS II in Japan, Fujifilm anticipates introduction of the black-and-white film in select overseas markets, including the U.S., by early 2020.
https://www.fujifilmusa.com/press/ne...?newsID=881726
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Fujifilm Acros II announced

I was having some late night IG story round and, yes, Acros is out in Japan. There's an interesting surprise.
If it is true, rather amusing. Harman does custom coating, but it makes it feel much further away from the original Acros and closer to Delta. Let's see the results of people as they come.

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^ came here to post this.

What I want to know is if this is a rebadged or retuned Ilford OEM film, or if ilford/harman is simply coating it, or if they're manufacturing it to fujifilms recipe.

Interesting times.
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Machine translation from Fujifilm Japan:

Neopan 100 ACROS II "has excellent reciprocity failure characteristics, so there is very little reduction in sensitivity due to low-light long-time exposure, and it is especially effective for long-time photography such as architectural photography and night scenes."

Datasheet in Japanese:

https://fujifilm.jp/support/filmandc...s2_135_001.pdf

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Reciprocity failure characteristics
If the shutter speed is shorter than 120 seconds, you do not need to make corrections. If the shutter speed is longer than 120 seconds, make the following corrections.
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Exposure time (seconds).
120-1000 - 1/2 aperture open
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I was having some late night IG story round and, yes, Acros is out in Japan. There's an interesting surprise.
If it is true, rather amusing. Harman does custom coating, but it makes it feel much further away from the original Acros and closer to Delta. Let's see the results of people as they come.

I quite like Delta 100, but the suggested reciprocity times for Acros II are consistent with the original, and that is nothing like the Delta 100 reciprocity curve (or to be more accurate, as with any other Ilford film, cliff).
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I still have several rolls of Acros in the freezer and would love to shoot them side-by-side.
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Who saw that coming?! Certainly not the extremely well connected experts on everything about film here.

Could outsourcing Acros II production reflect the Fuji's position on "film renaissance" longevity? Is this for Japan release only or will the worldwide rollout of Acros 100II also be produced by Ilford?

But, hey, if Ilford can make Acros 100 II, maybe Neopan 400/1600 II are possible, too?

(I still hope this is just a photoshop joke)
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Reciprocity failure characteristics
If the shutter speed is shorter than 120 seconds, you do not need to make corrections. If the shutter speed is longer than 120 seconds, make the following corrections.
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Exposure time (seconds).
120-1000 - 1/2 aperture open
Then it is really an original Fujifilm Acros emulsion.
Because none of the Ilford films has anything close to that unique characteristic.
Looks like Fujifilm is making the emulsion by themselves and shipping it for coating and converting to Harman technology. Shipping of emulsion is no problem.
But the emulsion must be designed for adaption of the (new) coating machine.
FilmoTec is doing that for years: Making the emulsion inhouse and shipping it then to partners for coating.
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The question(s) remain. Why? Is this a permanent arrangement?
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