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Old 09-03-2019   #1
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Lightbulb Suggestion: Add 'Like' button to posts

This being a photography forum, I think it makes a lot of sense: Folks post pix. I hate to reply only to say "nice pic!" and make the threads more bloated than they need to be. I imagine people are getting updated just to see that post that is not useful to them.

It may also speed up the forum a bit, since there would be less server demand due to less page loads, etc.

I believe the forum software supports it and it's just a matter of the admin switching the feature on.
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Like ++

One click feedback sounds like a good idea, and will likely encouraging more image posting.
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I would like that like addition.
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I`ve often though we needed something like that. I think that the gallery has a Like button.
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Old 09-03-2019   #5
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One click feedback sounds like a good idea, and will likely encouraging more image posting.

I concur. Bring on the likes!
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Been thinking the same. Like
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There is a shift going on in social media to move away from simple likes.

https://medium.com/swlh/likes-on-soc...a-87bfff679602
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Would we post in such a way as to evoke Likes? Would the possibility of Likes affect how we behave on the forum?
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I have thought of that from time to time. I guess I'm an of foggy, but I have concluded I am just as happy without it. If I feel strongly enough about it, I can make a comment and perhaps give a reason why I like the photo or comment, assuming we could do it on comments as well as posted photos. I think sometimes it creates thoughts that a feeling that if one wants 'likes' then one has to give many. That is assuming there would be an addition to our name area saying how many likes we have.

All that said, I guess if this board had it I would use it.
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I don't like "Like".

It's too easy and lazy in my opinion. Let's not be like all the other sites.

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I agree Mike. It is a substitute for engagement.
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Been thinking the same. Like
Me too!

I've often thought about this, especially when 'liking' posted images
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There are sides for both, here.



There have been many, many times when I've wanted to Like a photo posted in the forum, but I've had to go to the flickr page to do it. But that means I can't show my appreciation for a picture that's posted directly into the forum, unless I copy that whole post and add a comment. There are also often posts which I think are great, but I don't have anything substantial to add, and I can't Like that post in to show my appreciation.



On the other hand, Likes might subtly change the way we interact on the forum. Studies are suggesting that chasing Likes can affect our mental and emotional health.



I'd be happy with a Like button, I'm just wary of how it might affect us in general.
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Old 09-04-2019   #15
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I don't like "Like".

It's too easy and lazy in my opinion. Let's not be like all the other sites.

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I agree 100%. If someone appreciates one of my post, words or photo I prefer to know why, what he likes in it, what does he see in my thoughts or my photos. It only takes a few seconds to write a line.

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I agree Mike. It is a substitute for engagement.
Look at other photo sites and you see plenty of engagement, even though they have the like button. Sometimes a posting is really a nice summary of the issue being discussed or represents a perspective that many members adhere to. I mean it's a nice feature - not the end of the world that we don't have it here.
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I agree Mike. It is a substitute for engagement.

I strongly disagree. I find that there is much more engagement (in comments) on the Pentax Forums image threads than there is here, and they have had the 'likes' feature for years.
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I strongly disagree. I find that there is much more engagement (in comments) on the Pentax Forums image threads than there is here, and they have had the 'likes' feature for years.
I don't see the logic between a forum having the like feature and its members being active.
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Anyone who's used a platform that heavily uses likes (Instagram) wants to move away from them as they're ultimately meaningless.

Real engagement where you offer up comment is much more meaningful
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I don't see the logic between a forum having the like feature and its members being active.

Neither do I, but in the context of Mike and Charles' comments, it demonstrates that the 'like' feature is not being used as a substitute for engagement.
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Old 09-04-2019   #21
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No ''Like'' button on RFF please. Those who like to be ''liked'' can be ''liked'' on flickr, youtube, fb, instagram etc...
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Can somebody describe the type and extent of the engagement they are hoping for please .
Most comments I`ve read a merely a long winded way of saying I like the picture.
I may be missing something here .
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Old 09-04-2019   #23
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I am split on this:

for once I very much appreciate feedback, and I am very happy if someone likes a photo of mine and tells me so. This specially and more so here than at any other place in the net that I am active in. This because the RFF for me is the site with the best photographers that I know of and I am active in, the best place where I can and do learn from feedback.

Which first makes me like "like buttons"..

but: it could, emphasis is on "could", make people lazy to add some more detailed, helpful comment and leave it at pressing the like button only.
I also imagine the opposite effect though: The like button encourages feedback, but any time one feels that the "like" isn't enough one even may feel encouraged to leave a more detailed critique or words of appreciation.

My suggestion therefore:
Make it a trial period of a fixed duration and have it announced and explained well ahead that after e.g. 2 months there will be a binding vote of all members if the like button shall be continued or again done away with.
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I don't like it. Photography should not be a competition, and likes for unknown reasons are meaningless. RFF is a flourishing little niche of the internet where we don't care much about what the internet mainstream does, and we have something for many different even more niche interests here. Why would we want a mechanism that encourages pleasing the largest number of people, drying out niches? It's against the spirit of this place.
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I don't like the idea of making this place more like Facebook, but, given that it is me, that’s as predictable as I am. People do change their behavior, once you turn social arenas into Skinner boxes, and not in a good way. The worst consequence isn’t a like or two showing up at the bottom of one post; the worst are sites that list, next to your name the total number of “likes” you have managed to acquire. At which point the site becomes only a subconscious, semi-conscious popularity contest, with winners and losers. That should be obvious, and research has done more than “suggest” that the psychological effect is detrimental.

And, typing out “Nice shot, Mike” is a lot more personal than just hitting a button, it’s going to mean more to the recipient. Especially if his name is Mike. If a photo or written post isn’t worth even that much effort, well what does that say?

Besides, if there are 5 “likes” ascribed to a post, and the referenced photo seems charmless, pointless, and ill-considered, you’ll never know who the neanderthals (not saying anyone here, only over at DPR) were that liked it. If they had instead written out a response indicating that they loved the photo, then you would know who they are, information which will allow you to laugh to yourself if any of them later criticizes your ability, judgment, or
understanding of world history. Lots to think about, regarding this whole “likes” question!

Just seems like adding another layer of angst to me. Only five likes today! After so much work! Need more Prozac.
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I see an unfortunate trend towards abuse of the "Like" button on some other forums. Not necessarily photography forums, mind you. The posts which get the most "Likes" are the ones where the is a debate or an argument going on, and people anonymously (or not so anonymously) pick sides by "liking" whichever person's position they agree with. Which I think is usually not the purpose the forum owners had in mind by creating the "Like" button.
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Yes … that makes sense Larry.
I`ve never read anything more into "likes" than …. someone likes it.
If people take that as a measure of worth based on the number they get I can see that as being detrimental.
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I don't like the idea of making this place more like Facebook, but, given that it is me, that’s as predictable as I am. People do change their behavior, once you turn social arenas into Skinner boxes, and not in a good way. The worst consequence isn’t a like or two showing up at the bottom of one post; the worst are sites that list, next to your name the total number of “likes” you have managed to acquire. At which point the site becomes only a subconscious, semi-conscious popularity contest, with winners and losers. That should be obvious, and research has done more than “suggest” that the psychological effect is detrimental.

And, typing out “Nice shot, Mike” is a lot more personal than just hitting a button, it’s going to mean more to the recipient. Especially if his name is Mike. If a photo or written post isn’t worth even that much effort, well what does that say?

Besides, if there are 5 “likes” ascribed to a post, and the referenced photo seems charmless, pointless, and ill-considered, you’ll never know who the neanderthals (not saying anyone here, only over at DPR) were that liked it. If they had instead written out a response indicating that they loved the photo, then you would know who they are, information which will allow you to laugh to yourself if any of them later criticizes your ability, judgment, or
understanding of world history. Lots to think about, regarding this whole “likes” question!

Just seems like adding another layer of angst to me. Only five likes today! After so much work! Need more Prozac.
Well said Larry, I fully agree, you explained in clear words what was my thinking, grazie!
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If I think about features I would want to see, a "Like" button is way down the list... How about image hosting as was discussed during the last planned upgrade... which sank into the ocean like Charles "Chucky" Signore.
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Here's my Like for Larry's post.
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How about a scale -5 to +5? Maybe for photos a few categories: composition, subject, tonality, overall impression, etc. For those who don't want criticism (positive or negative), maybe an opt out choice. Of course we are talking a lot of work. I agree with the point that "hey, that's nice Mike" is more personal, just do not see it too often (and I probably do not do it often enough). Maybe we are all too busy. Of course, it's not my site, and I like it regardless...
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I agree with the point that "hey, that's nice Mike" is more personal, just do not see it too often (and I probably do not do it often enough). Maybe we are all too busy.
That's my observation. There doesn't seem to be a lot of direct engagement as it is on the RFF image threads, with most people just posting an image of their own rather than responding to other's work (I'm guilty of this as well).

The quality of images shared here is very high, but engagement on those images tends to be pretty poor.
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Would we post in such a way as to evoke Likes? Would the possibility of Likes affect how we behave on the forum?


Possibly ... but there is nothing wrong with affirmation. I'd be in favour of it and I'm actually a little surprised that it hasn't happened yet.
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Possibly ... but there is nothing wrong with affirmation. I'd be in favour of it and I'm actually a little surprised that it hasn't happened yet.
Isn't affirmation of one image rejection of another? It all seems pointlessly competitive or attention seeking or something to me. Enjoy images for the enjoyment, you don't need to say anything unless you feel compelled to.

I couldn't imagine a gallery with a like button under each exhibit.
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Virtually every other forum I'm on has a like button. They work great. Why not RFF?

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I couldn't imagine a gallery with a like button under each exhibit.
Don’t give people ideas.
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Don’t give people ideas.
LOL, as I typed it out I was wondering to myself if it's Marina Abramovic's next project.

Likes just strike me personally as robotic and vapid and automaton. The likes endure after the human race goes extinct, after the images have faded, we still have our likes he hee.
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Isn't affirmation of one image rejection of another? It all seems pointlessly competitive or attention seeking or something to me. Enjoy images for the enjoyment, you don't need to say anything unless you feel compelled to.
By that logic, if you comment positively on one image are you rejecting all the other images you don't comment on?

Likewise, you don't need to click 'like' unless you feel compelled to...

Of course it's attention seeking. Why on earth would you share images on a public forum if you didn't want to draw attention to them?
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Someone above suggested trialing it which makes sense to me. I'm surprised at the amount of people who think there is harm in it and see it as a negative ... probably large format shooters!

That last comment was a joke by the way
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If for whatever reason RFF decides to go the way of the “Like” I hope there's an option in the user control panel for individuals to remove the “Like” option from their profile. I’m not interested in giving or receiving anonymous feedback. Not that I think "Like" is much of a feedback.

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