Kodak Vision 3 films - b&w?!
Old 07-20-2017   #1
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Kodak Vision 3 films - b&w?!

having discovered that home C-41 development really isn't very daunting, I have started looking into the cinema films and it seems that removal of the remjet coating really isn't that big a deal either. From my internet research I discovered that the color Kodak Vision 3 films (250D, 500T) can also be processed in black and white developers, and the result look quite nice. This surprises me because posts I have sene of "normal" C-41 films developed in b/w chemicals have been very unimpressive (with the notable exception of Ilford XP2, which i have done myself).

Has anyone tried this? Are thse films materially different from normal C-41 color films in this respect? Any reason why the equivalent Fujifilm stocks would not have the same results (there seems to be much less about this on the Internet)?
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Any ECN2 film will develop in BW. It just going to have dark yellow mask on it.

Very old, next to dead Kodak 50D in HC-110:

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Interesting. I like the idea of having one film I can shoot as color or black and white depending upon the situation. Assuming fresh film, would you shoot it at the normal rating of the film? Any reason not to do this?

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Yes, any fresh film is usable at the box speed.
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I'd guess the orange mask is going to produce a relatively low contrast scan/print, so you would need to use a higher contrast filter on the enlarger or higher contrast paper etc.

@Ko.Fe. Did you stand develop the 50D with the HC110?
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I'd guess the orange mask is going to produce a relatively low contrast scan/print, so you would need to use a higher contrast filter on the enlarger or higher contrast paper etc.

@Ko.Fe. Did you stand develop the 50D with the HC110?
It took about two minutes (instead of ten, twenty seconds) to have this negative exposed properly on the darkroom paper. Filters were as usual, nothing special required.

No. I'm not using stand developing, just hcB and time for Polypan F, Pan F in case of Vision 50D. It works with Rodinal as well for me (ISO 50 film). I recommend extra fixing time, just like with TMAX.

ECN2 is cheap film if in bulk. Use time for regular bw film of equal speed box to begin and shot few rolls to determine exact time for your taste.
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It took about two minutes (instead of ten, twenty seconds) to have this negative exposed properly on the darkroom paper. Filters were as usual, nothing special required.

No. I'm not using stand developing, just hcB and time for Polypan F, Pan F in case of Vision 50D. It works with Rodinal as well for me (ISO 50 film). I recommend extra fixing time, just like with TMAX.

ECN2 is cheap film if in bulk. Use time for regular bw film of equal speed box to begin and shot few rolls to determine exact time for your taste.
Brilliant - thanks for the info
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I did this a year or so ago, had a roll of 500T. Ended up scratching the negative slightly when I was removing the remjet, but processed fine in HC-110. Memory not real clear but IIRC the negs were a little contrasty, and I think a little thin. But it was definitely doable, with the Kodak film. Haven't tried the Fuji.

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