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Old 01-01-2020   #1
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Another jump in prices on the M6. Seeing them actually selling for $2000 USD or more. Basically double what they went for 5 or 6 years ago. Crazy. Those dang hipsters!!
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Leica must be working on an M6-2 at this point...

Strange world... Contax T3 for $1500... even the nicer Voigtlander Bessas are $1000.
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Have you seen the prices for a Yashica T4/5 ? Unbelievable.
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Having both an M6 and the M240, I expect a cross over point where the M6 has a higher 2nd hand value. I'm not one to check prices but that time may have come already!
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Must an effect of the M7 being out of production. Plus, the M6 is most commonly know Leica M among regular people. Every time someone sees my M4 at a party, they ask if its an M6 because that's the only M they know.
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I think it would be interesting to see what sales figures for 35mm film have been for the past 5 years.
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I just sold my M6 a few weeks ago for $1,770. I bought it for only $1,200. Interestingly, it didn't sell in the Classifieds here on RFF but it did sell on another camera forum. Needless to say, I was quite pleased that I got so much more for it than the price I had paid.
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Leica M6 out of sight

Yeah crazy on eBay. Bought my mint M6 from a Japanese seller two years ago for AUD $2000. Now any bodies in like mint condition start at AUD $3000 seems like.
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Old 01-01-2020   #9
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It’s bonkers. I bought my stylus epic brand new for 99 bucks. I see them regularly now for 250 plus. Madness
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I bought an M6 Classic 0.85 about 7 years ago for $1300 when the 0.72 were selling for $1000. I'd subsequently read that few were fitted with that finder in the original M6.

I now only see the 0.85 on sale as TTL models. Had the VF optics upgraded to the MP and recently CLA'd by Leica.
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Old 01-01-2020   #11
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Nikon FM2 and F3s have risen as well

Meanwhile - uncool cameras like pro slrs and non hasselblad mf systems are still affordable
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Just like the DJIA and S&P 500 are treated as economic indicators, I propose the RFF 20 as an indicator of manual 35mm film camera values.

My list of the RFF 20 components is below. I have yet to tabulate the current RFF 20 index, but the value will be based on a KEH rating value of EXC+ for each component.

1. Nikon F2 Photomic
2. Canon F-1n (1976 variant)
3. Nikon F4s
4. Minolta Maxxum (Dynax) 7
5. Canon Elan 7
6. Minolta SRT-101
7. Olympus OM-1
8. Canon AE-1 Program
9. Leica M6 (0.72x)
10. Nikon FE2
11. Canon G-III QL17
12. Pentax MX
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I recently scored an almost as new condition F4 for under $200.
I like it much more than my F6 and think it is the bargain buy out there.

I like the idea that Leicas are increasing in value as I have many.

I sold a Bessa R3a a couple o years back for $500. Should have held onto it but I really didn’t like it.
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I picked up a M6TTL 0.58 a few years ago at a fantastic price of $1,300 (back they they typically were between 1,8k-2k). The sale of a Stylus Epic covered about 1/3rd of it. Certain point and shoots have been crazy for a while.
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Certain point and shoots have been crazy for a while.
Crazy is an understatement. Most if not all are no longer repairable, something hipsters haven't absorbed yet. Long after the autofocus motors on a Kyocera-made Contax is a frozen paperweight, an M2-M6 will still be around. The M6 meter may eventually join the Contax but then it'll be an M4 for all intents and purposes.

Not so the M6TTL or M7.
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Leica must be working on an M6-2 at this point...

Strange world... Contax T3 for $1500... even the nicer Voigtlander Bessas are $1000.
Yikes! Really? I’ll be careful with my R2A...
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Crazy is an understatement. Most if not all are no longer repairable, something hipsters haven't absorbed yet. Long after the autofocus motors on a Kyocera-made Contax is a frozen paperweight, an M2-M6 will still be around. The M6 meter may eventually join the Contax but then it'll be an M4 for all intents and purposes.

Not so the M6TTL or M7.
Why wouldn’t the M6ttl also turn into an m4 if the meter goes out? It still is a mechanical camera. And the m7 has 125 and 60 as mechanical shutter speeds...
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Pal K, an RFF20 index is an EXC+ idea! Funny and useful.
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Pal K, an RFF20 index is an EXC+ idea! Funny and useful.

I'll check the selling prices and start posting a monthly RFF 20 Index every month in a separate thread.

It will give me something to do besides collecting string.
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The price of the M6 is going up probably because all the zinc vs. brass topics are drying up.

It is indeed a good camera, but so is the Zeiss Ikon Contessa fixed-lens RF camera I just bought for 30€, with a free 50mm f2.8 lens.

Personally I see no reason to get into the M mount so desperately whilst the alternatives are so cheap (and quite good, if one is willing to drop the Leica fetishism). For example, for less than 200€, one can probably get a Minolta AF camera plus 35-70mm/f4, 70-210mm/f4 and 50mm/f1.7 lenses. In my opinion, those lenses are of extraordinary values.
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Why wouldn’t the M6ttl also turn into an m4 if the meter goes out? It still is a mechanical camera. And the m7 has 125 and 60 as mechanical shutter speeds...
The M6TTL is certainly useable without its electronics, but one downside compared to the non-TTL is it can’t trigger a flash without them. Another point why I think either M6 with dead meters wouldn’t be like the non metered Ms is because of their cut out framelines...
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Another reason to stop buying-selling gear, and to use what you already own to take photos, spending your bucks at films and chemistry - and traveling. Don't feed the speculation.
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Sold mine 18 months ago. I don't regret it photographically as I thought the metering antediluvian but the loss of dosh is a bore, but that's life.

All the highly sought after cameras have metering in common (Mamiya 7, Pentax 67, M6, Contax P&S). I predict the M5 will benefit, but I'm not selling mine, it's such a wonderful bit of kit.
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The more boring cameras and the ignored are also rising in price; look at the Olympus XA1 f'instance. And 1930's FEDs etc, etc.


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Time to sell? I am pretty happy with my R2A and R4M, so M6 probably has to go - I shoot only 10 rolls a year or so. I really don't need it (except for some sentimental reasons).
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Another jump in prices on the M6. Seeing them actually selling for $2000 USD or more. Basically double what they went for 5 or 6 years ago. Crazy. Those dang hipsters!!
Really? I first bought in to Leica 5-6 years ago (eventually with an M2, after checking out most models) and I don’t recall M6’s regularly going for $1000 at the time...
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I’m sorry I don’t follow? I was disputing that they regularly came up for $1000 5-6 years ago, not that they go for $2k now.
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Another reason to stop buying-selling gear, and to use what you already own to take photos, spending your bucks at films and chemistry - and traveling. Don't feed the speculation.
M6 is both speculation and fear of S16.
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Really? I first bought in to Leica 5-6 years ago (eventually with an M2, after checking out most models) and I don’t recall M6’s regularly going for $1000 at the time...
Regular M6 models certainly did... for many years. Only in the past 1-2 years did prices have a huge uptick.
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I've never bought a camera with the intention to sell it at a profit but I saw today that my M6 black paint TTL 'millennium edition' now goes for three times the price I paid for it some 12 years ago...
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M6 is both speculation and fear of S16.
No S16 fear with C41 and BW. M6 is E6 speculation.
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I think this is all temporary fluctuations. My M6 TTL, bought brand new in 2000, was $1900. It's kind of bizarre to think that they would be selling for more than that twenty years later. I think the price will go back down to "normal" again.

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I think this is all temporary fluctuations. My M6 TTL, bought brand new in 2000, was $1900. It's kind of bizarre to think that they would be selling for more than that twenty years later. I think the price will go back down to "normal" again.

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I'm not so sure... I think the current prices are due to less and less good examples being available and film becoming a bit more popular again. The only way I can see prices for hot film cameras going down again is if new ones are made at great prices.
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Nikon FM2 and F3s have risen as well

Meanwhile - uncool cameras like pro slrs and non hasselblad mf systems are still affordable
Certain MF rigs are exploding in price. 2 years ago you could buy the Fuji GA645 cameras for $300 and the GS645 cameras for $200. They've each doubled in price since.
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Another reason to stop buying-selling gear, and to use what you already own to take photos, spending your bucks at films and chemistry - and traveling. Don't feed the speculation.
I have sold very few lenses or cameras over the past 20 years. I enjoy using the photography equipment that I own.
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I might add that sales of CV Bessa's and the Zeiss Ikon camera's are also at ridiculous prices. Could I have predicted this I would have bought 10 each of these at issue and made a killing. Regardless both models are lovely cameras but not worth the asking prices we are seeing. Mr K, please reissue some of these models!!
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I dont think the M6 is going down in price..
As good clean examples will be harder to find..
As the years go by..
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I dont think the M6 is going down in price..
As good clean examples will be harder to find..
As the years go by..
Yes that would seem to be true. Although the M3 is still fairly reasonable in price. Could it be that the lack of a built in meter, has chased the hipster crowd away?
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My money is on the presence of a meter combined with the classic appearance.

When I bought my M5 from Red Dot in London, Ivor there showed me an M6 with lots of pitting and said such was the shortage of good ones, he was buying ones he wouldn't have touched even a year before. He also said the price of screw mount Leicas was rising as people could no longer afford M mount ones.

Ultimately I'm happy with what I've got now and I'm in the lucky position of choosing my moment to sell stuff I may not need in future.

And yes, MF has shot up too. Mainly the sort of stuff people with beanie hats want to buy!
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