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Old 02-03-2012   #1
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GW690 gas

Help me decide.

I have a severe case of GW690 gas. What I have been more recently looking for is a reliable medium format camera that is portable and also hopefully fully manual, or if not at least very robust. I have a Rolleiflex 2.8E and a Moskva-5 which fit the bill to a point, and the Moskva seems to be my walk around MF camera at the moment as I dare not take the Rollei into the snow and hail with me.

There's nothing much wrong with my Moskva. The RF is pretty much aligned (there's 2cm error at closest focus distance between the lens scale and the RF, have not checked with ground glass yet), speeds are sound and seem healthy judging from results etc. The biggest problem with it is that its a bit slow to use (although pre-setting shutter, aperture etc does enable it to be a street shooter of sorts). If only it had a combined RF / VF window, ah...

I would love to be able to get a Makina 67 or a Fuji GF670, but both are out of my price range at the moment. Also, I have read worrying things about them both (battery depletion with the Fuji and stability of the struts and serviceability of the Makina), but that's pretty much beside the point as I can't currently afford either.

I've been looking at the (optical) quality of photographs taken with the GW690 on flickr and have been blown away by it. On my short list I have also had the Certo Six, Balda Super Baldax and the Iskra 1. First two seem to be pretty rare and at least Jurgen or Certo6 fame suggests that all Certo Sixes need their prisms re-silvered, which is putting me off, especially as I live in Europe and would rather not ship anything to the US for service.

So, a quick & fun poll for the day!

Edit: noticed a typo in poll options, sorry! Don't know how to edit those.
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Old 02-03-2012   #2
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GW690 is a worthy camera with good glass, but portability is not its strongest suit. It also is odd man out among your other choices, as it is 6x9 whilst your other wants are 6x6 and 6x7 (save the Moskva-5 you already have). But get the GW690 (or 670) if you're jonesing for one, why not? They're cheap as chips and built like Russian tanks -- neither fine nor elegant, but big, loud and well nigh unstoppable. The others on your list are cranky antiques by comparison, with all the charms implied thereby.
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GW690 is a worthy camera with good glass, but portability is not its strongest suit. It also is odd man out among your other choices, as it is 6x9 whilst your other wants are 6x6 and 6x7 (save the Moskva-5 you already have). But get the GW690 (or 670) if you're jonesing for one, why not? They're cheap as chips and built like Russian tanks -- neither fine nor elegant, but loud and well nigh unstoppable. The others on your list are cranky antiques by comparison, with all the charms implied thereby.
Thanks for your opinion. Yeah, the format is not the same. I'm mostly a 3/2 or 4/3 aspect ratio kinda guy, but for portability's sake I've been willing to entertain the idea of a 6x7 camera, the GW670 just isn't at all smaller or lighter, so thus may as well get the real deal. Also, seems that the prices for the 690 models are lower than for the more rare 670 or 680 models.

Folders are nice. My Moskva folds into my winter coat's pocket nicely, but at the end of the day it does not feel particularly robust. The GW690 looks very large from what I've seen, which I'm not 100% sure how I feel about.

Have I missed anything obvious, from the list I mean? Flipping mirror is a no-no, leaf shutter much preferred. Do not like the vertical composition of the Bronica RF645, and also the negative is too small for my liking (and my slightly archaic flatbed scanner, I only have a dedicated film scanner for 135 film).
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Perhaps a GSW690 - the wide FOV gives you a (cropped) panorama option, and as they say, you can (sometimes) zoom with your feet!
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The Fuji 690 is an amazing camera. No battery required. Great glass. The down side is the size, but remarkably it is pretty light weight. It is big, but no more cumbersome than a Nikon F5 with a zoom lens. Why not try one? If it doesn`t suit you then sell it. People are always looking for one.
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you know, its big... really big. I was about to buy but this photo made me think twice: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blueone33/4067962830/
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I would not call the GW690 a "portable" camera. It is more portable than a Pentax 67 or a Mamiya RZ67, but it is still a big item. I wouldn't compare it to 6x7 folders like the GF670. It is more like a Mamiya 7 with a fixed lens. The GW690 is easily handholdable, while 6x7 SLR designs are only barely handholdable, for example picking it up off the table for some quick shots in the studio. The GW690 is also quieter than MF SLRs, since you don't have that crashing mirror or focal-plane shutter. Like any 6x7, the lenses are slow, and DOF is shallow. Remember, f/8 on 35mm has the same DOF as f/16 on 6x7 or 6x9. So, if you want deep DOF, you are probably going to need a tripod, especially since it is somewhat silly to shoot MF and then blow it with camera shake. Depending on your standards in these matters, you might want to shoot one stop faster when handheld than you would with 35mm, in other words, at the literal focal length -- around 1/125th using the 90mm lens of the GW690.

I have a GW690. Despite its similarity to a Leica M camera, you don't really use it the same way. You only get eight shots per roll, which tends to rule out a lot of "candid" shooting unless you are willing to go through a lot of film. I use it more for landscape-y or cityscape-y situations and posed people shots -- as you would use a Mamiya 7 for example.

If you want a walkaround MF camera, I'd just use your Rolleiflex. Very nice camera. If you still have GW690 lust, then just get one and try it out. Maybe it will be just your thing.
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you know, its big... really big. I was about to buy but this photo made me think twice: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blueone33/4067962830/
Yeah, saw that earlier. It does look big, but at the end of the day it cannot be that much bigger than my Moskva-5 folded out. Hopefully slightly easier to focus, and luckily I have big hands.
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Can't imagine why anyone in his right mind would want one of these behemoths.
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I have a GSW690 that I brought to a NYC meetup a month ago. Great lens but a kind of slow at f/5.6. Definately heavy, but I took mine hiking in California last year and only had my wife carry it on the way home a couple of times. Changing the film every 8 exposures is more of a limit now that there is no more 220 B&W.
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you know, its big... really big. I was about to buy but this photo made me think twice: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blueone33/4067962830/
Reminds me of this comparison from flickr:
Bronica RF645 vs Contax 645:


One of the reasons I finally got Mamiya 6 instead of Contax 645 (which I would still love to get - that 80/2 lens is amazing ... ).
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I have a GSW690 that I brought to a NYC meetup a month ago. Great lens but a kind of slow at f/5.6. Definately heavy, but I took mine hiking in California last year and only had my wife carry it on the way home a couple of times. Changing the film every 8 exposures is more of a limit now that there is no more 220 B&W.
Ditto, portability not a big selling point, especially for use as a daily walk around camera, absent services of a sherpa/wife. As to number of shots, the 6x7 version does get 10 exposures, worth considering if the format/focal length combo isn't a show stopper.

Now that I think about it, I'm wondering why OP doesn't just use his Rollei 2.8E, with a suitably protective bag to protect from the elements. A much easier carry. No camera on OP's list would be a good candidate for shooting in actual rain and hail -- all would need to be stowed safely away during filthy weather. Otherwise, Rolleis are as robust as anything mentioned, i.e., neither made of sugar nor storm-proof. Few MF cameras are.
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Yeah, saw that earlier. It does look big, but at the end of the day it cannot be that much bigger than my Moskva-5 folded out. Hopefully slightly easier to focus, and luckily I have big hands.
The picture flickr picture referenced is one of mine (You'll also see it as my avatar here)...It's definitely bigger than my Moskva 5, but not as heavy, maybe... It was nice to use, but I like the GS645 a bit better. Sold the 690 and kept the 645 and Moskva 5.

I'd do a size comparison for you, but I sold it in November...it wasn't getting used enough to justify keeping it.
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With regards to the photo referenced, It's a shortish lens for the format and shot at a pretty lose distance, I think there's some exaggeration of the cameras size
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With regards to the photo referenced, It's a shortish lens for the format and shot at a pretty lose distance, I think there's some exaggeration of the cameras size
Perhaps...It was shot at the absolute minumum focus distance in the mirror...I had to sway to and fro to get it focused.
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Reminds me of this comparison from flickr:
Bronica RF645 vs Contax 645:


One of the reasons I finally got Mamiya 6 instead of Contax 645 (which I would still love to get - that 80/2 lens is amazing ... ).
What that photo doesn't show is how easy it is to carry these 645 SLRs on a shoulder strap - they hang down vertically, stay well out of the way, and are eminently portable.

Get the Contax.
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Well, having a Agfa Record for 6x9 I liked the size of the neg, the aspect ratio but wanted something with a coupled rangefinder, so I just got myself a GW690 that arrived yesterday. It is big and it is 1.3kg, and mine is not in such a great shape cosmetically, but I hope it will do the job. So the advice would be : go for it ( or the gsw690 if you want wider, but then other options like the chinese panoramic ones could come into play, since focusing should be less important )
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Just get it. I can't stop admiring its quality-of-image/simplicity/price ratio (I've got II mod))
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What that photo doesn't show is how easy it is to carry these 645 SLRs on a shoulder strap - they hang down vertically, stay well out of the way, and are eminently portable.
Right. And it shows that we are bad at estimating volume if the items to compare are not aligned along the same (long) edge. In real, the Bronica is close to 2/3 of a M645pro (which should be the same size as the Contax) with f/2.8 lens. The f/2 lens is no fair comparison by the way - the Bronica does not even have f/2.8, and it makes up for almost half the weight and size of that Contax combination...
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The 690 and 670 fuji rangefinders are great cameras, but takes some getting used to lugging around that big plastic box. I love the fact you can stop down to f/32 so you can compete with 4x5 cameras. I've owned all three models of the 690 and the III version is by far the best. Currently I'm using the GW670II and I love it. Only wish they would've put the 65mm lens on it. Has anyone had experience with the fuji 645 cameras? I'm thinking about investing in one for nighttime portraits.
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Thank you for all your comments. Just to stir things a bit further, what do people think about GS645 (the original with bellows and 75mm f3.4 lens). I've read that its a finicky camera with bellows issues, but haven't really found anything about the optics and how it is in use. I wonder if that could be a compromise with regards size / weight of the the GW690.

Edit: of course I'd have to forget about my aversion to the vertical composition then though, but lets say I would
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Thank you for all your comments. Just to stir things a bit further, what do people think about GS645 (the original with bellows and 75mm f3.4 lens). I've read that its a finicky camera with bellows issues, but haven't really found anything about the optics and how it is in use. I wonder if that could be a compromise with regards size / weight of the the GW690.

Edit: of course I'd have to forget about my aversion to the vertical composition then though, but lets say I would
I have one of those now. It is a hell of a lot smaller, and I think it's quite nice to use. It is finicky, so make sure you buy from a place with a nice return policy...mine arrived with a loose semi-silvered mirror and had to be fixed right away.

It is working quite well now, and is great fun to use. Film changing is just as easy as it is on the GW690III.
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I have one of those now. It is a hell of a lot smaller, and I think it's quite nice to use. It is finicky, so make sure you buy from a place with a nice return policy...mine arrived with a loose semi-silvered mirror and had to be fixed right away.

It is working quite well now, and is great fun to use. Film changing is just as easy as it is on the GW690III.
That's good to know. The seller says that its still got the original bellows and works as it should, so I'm a bit concerned, but then again he does offer a return and refund so lets see what happens.

Do you have any photos online shot with it? And what about those rules of always cocking the shutter and focusing lens at infinity before closing the bellows, is that really the case?
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I would never buy GS645 unless it needed a bellows...
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I would never buy GS645 unless it needed a bellows...

Three GS645 chronic fail points:
1) Bellows-synthetic bellow (the camera was only produced one year because of this.) The bellows is not patchable, it develops pinhole light leaks everywhere, pretty much over a short period of time. Those that still have a working bellows have not been used much.
2) Shutter linkage weak and failure prone, which is why the rules on the cocking and setting to infinity. Not doing so breaks the linkage.
3) Shutter hangs in extreme cold weather. If you are a winter shooter there is no cure for this problem.

Get the "crash bar" non folding GS645S... wonderful alternative to the folding model.

I will only buy an original GS645 (regardless of how good it's supposed to be) for no more than $200-225. I will then send it to Frank Marshman and for about $200 (last one I did) will have it serviced, add his shutter linkage fix, and a new bellows. Then I have a decent folding GS645. I must still follow the rules on the cocking and infinity setting upon closure.

I will also still have the cold weather shutter problem, but I don't go out in the cold with a camera.

I've had four of these, and after the first one, which I paid too much for, because "it was in excellent condition", I bought the next three with known bad bellows for $200.00 and as soon as I got them, they were immediately mailed to Frank.

I now shoot the big 690 models. Most of this thread has given the Big Fuji's heat for the size and weight. What a bunch of garbage. They are still smaller than large format 4X5 which the next routine larger size.

And for me the 645 doesn't cut it when you want to print really big.

Further more on the weight and size, the GW and GSW models are really no heavier and bigger than the professional full frame DSLR's.

And for the "why would you want one of those behemoth" comment. I use them to outshoot anything you are using that's smaller. If you're shooting large format, then say so, because you can't get anything like the image quality of the Fuji 6X9 EBC lens with any 35mm you want to throw up against it.

Lastly, and I have personal experience with this as well, if you are still willing to settle for 645 on your way to big negatives, consider the GA645Zi. This camera adds Autofocus, with manual override, Zoom from 55-90, Excellent focus and superb Image Quality. It outshoots any of the GS models, and is only slightly bigger than the folder you are considering. I've had two of the GA645Zi models alongside Mamiya's and Bronica's. If I was still happy at all with 645, I would shoot the GA645Zi over all other 6X4.5 format camera's.
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Three GS645 chronic fail points:
1) Bellows-synthetic bellow (the camera was only produced one year because of this.) The bellows is not patchable, it develops pinhole light leaks everywhere, pretty much over a short period of time. Those that still have a working bellows have not been used much.
2) Shutter linkage weak and failure prone, which is why the rules on the cocking and setting to infinity. Not doing so breaks the linkage.
3) Shutter hangs in extreme cold weather. If you are a winter shooter there is no cure for this problem.

Get the "crash bar" non folding GS645S... wonderful alternative to the folding model.

I will only buy an original GS645 (regardless of how good it's supposed to be) for no more than $200-225. I will then send it to Frank Marshman and for about $200 (last one I did) will have it serviced, add his shutter linkage fix, and a new bellows. Then I have a decent folding GS645. I must still follow the rules on the cocking and infinity setting upon closure.

I will also still have the cold weather shutter problem, but I don't go out in the cold with a camera.

I've had four of these, and after the first one, which I paid too much for, because "it was in excellent condition", I bought the next three with known bad bellows for $200.00 and as soon as I got them, they were immediately mailed to Frank.

I now shoot the big 690 models. Most of this thread has given the Big Fuji's heat for the size and weight. What a bunch of garbage. They are still smaller than large format 4X5 which the next routine larger size.

And for me the 645 doesn't cut it when you want to print really big.

Further more on the weight and size, the GW and GSW models are really no heavier and bigger than the professional full frame DSLR's.

And for the "why would you want one of those behemoth" comment. I use them to outshoot anything you are using that's smaller. If you're shooting large format, then say so, because you can't get anything like the image quality of the Fuji 6X9 EBC lens with any 35mm you want to throw up against it.

Lastly, and I have personal experience with this as well, if you are still willing to settle for 645 on your way to big negatives, consider the GA645Zi. This camera adds Autofocus, with manual override, Zoom from 55-90, Excellent focus and superb Image Quality. It outshoots any of the GS models, and is only slightly bigger than the folder you are considering. I've had two of the GA645Zi models alongside Mamiya's and Bronica's. If I was still happy at all with 645, I would shoot the GA645Zi over all other 6X4.5 format camera's.
These are all very good points to know, thank you.

Do you happen to know what fails with the camera in cold weather? Could it be a matter of shutter lubrication or something that could theoretically be remedied? What most puts me off most is would I always remember the bellows closing procedure.

I do shoot in varied conditions and it is -18 degrees Celsius outside right now
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Personally I adore the 6x9 size and format and GW690 is maybe the number one camera for that format. However, one thing that holds me back from buying a 6x9 Fuji is the unfortunate fact that I will never have room for big enough enlarger. Scanning a 6x9 neg is of course much better than scanning a tiny 35mm but I'd really like to print my best shots. So after a really long and thorough consideration I've come to the conclusion that perhaps 6x6 or 6x4.5 format is better for me in the long run. Your mileage may vary, of course

There is a Japanese seller by the name 'astrosmith22' on the *Bay who usually lists a selection of Fujis. The older and cheaper II version is particularly tempting.
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Okay, so I pulled the trigger on a GS645 with new bellows and CLA last year (according to seller). I figured that as GW690s seem to be pretty much always available on the *bay, but working GS645s (not the model S but plural ) not so much, I'd start this process this way around. If I don't get on with the vertical framing, or have other problems with using the camera for my needs I'll sell it on and get the GW690 instead.

Another factor that played its part in this decision was that I realised which camera I'd be able to take with me more often, having two small kids in tow.

Thanks to everybody for this conversation, it really helped.

Now, next thing on the agenda is thinking about a macro lens that I can attach to my Canon dSLR to digitise the 645 negatives as my scanner just won't do for such small negatives, hmm...
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So you bought the one from Italy? I have sent the guy a question, but the camera was gone before I got a reply The BIN price was very reasonable for a camera with full CLA.

The advantage of GS645 is it's size and weight. It is about as large and heavy as Mamiya 6 body (no lens).
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So you bought the one from Italy? I have sent the guy a question, but the camera was gone before I got a reply The BIN price was very reasonable for a camera with full CLA.

The advantage of GS645 is it's size and weight. It is about as large and heavy as Mamiya 6 body (no lens).
That was the one... Lets see how it turns out to be.
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Good luck with the GS645. I think you'll like it. Mine also has the original bellows (I believe) and thankfully, they are still light tight. The folding procedure is quirky, but you get used to turning the lens to infinity pretty quickly.
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So you bought the one from Italy? I have sent the guy a question, but the camera was gone before I got a reply The BIN price was very reasonable for a camera with full CLA.

The advantage of GS645 is it's size and weight. It is about as large and heavy as Mamiya 6 body (no lens).
When I found that the GA645Zi was only slightly larger than my GS645 folded, I immediately switched to the Zi. I gained Zoom - 55-90mm, Autofocus -extremely accurate, Exceptional metering, etc. Out of about five of the Zi's the only repair I needed was replacement of the LCD on the camera back which when it quit working did not "bench" the camera. The camera was so quiet, I often had to look at the counter to see if it shot and advanced the film - so very unlike all of the GS series 645.
Also seems to be a ready supply in the used market.
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you know, its big... really big. I was about to buy but this photo made me think twice: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blueone33/4067962830/
In case you did not notice, it's pretty clear that the guy holding that Fuji is a Hobbit.


Seriously, that image is heavily distorted. If you made your decision to NOT buy a Fuji because of that image, you are way off base. That camera lens is 5-6 inches closer to the taking lens of the shooter, and a very short distance forward from there. The camera, as a result, looks far bigger than it truly measures.

I've been using the old interchangeable lens Fuji's happily for years, with no concern about size or weight. The Pentax 67 is heavier. The GW and GSW cameras are a bit bigger than a Pentax 67 because of the format, and considerably lighter.

One should never consider size a serious factor on ANY camera without putting a couple of rolls through and having them processes. That seriously ranks as "shooting oneself in the foot".

In addtion, I would never buy a GSW (65mm) before I had a GW (90) or G (100) in the bag. I use the Fuji's to shoot two frames and stitch for 6X17 panorama. That is best done on any camera platform with a normal lens AOV. A wide angle lens on any format, creates difficulties with the stitch for panorma.

Best and lightest combos in Fuji if you must have two focal lengths is a GL690 body with a 100 and a 65 lens, or two of the lighter fixed lens bodies, the GW and GSW. Both combos are about the same weight and can be had for similar prices. Advantages of the lighter GW/GSW two camera combo is EBC coating on the lenses, and can carry two emulsions of film without midroll changing.

I've had all the early bodies and the III series bodies of GW and GSW, The early bodies with the 100 and the III series bodies with the 90 all deliver the easiest frames to stitch to long pano's.

Also, the Fuji's have always been the most reliable, least fiddly of all the MF I have tried...

Mamiya SLR and Press, Bronica 645 and Square, etc. I will also never likely shoot an MF frame smaller than 6X9 again. Dislike square, 6X7 too close to square. 6X8 (as in) GW680/GSW680)... why give up the 1 cm.
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In case you did not notice, it's pretty clear that the guy holding that Fuji is a Hobbit.


Seriously, that image is heavily distorted. If you made your decision to NOT buy a Fuji because of that image, you are way off base. That camera lens is 5-6 inches closer to the taking lens of the shooter, and a very short distance forward from there. The camera, as a result, looks far bigger than it truly measures.
I have to disagree on one point at least.

1) I am not, in fact, a Hobbit. I am mostly an average sized person... I'm confident that your comment was in jest (no worries), and "Hobbit" isn't the worst thing I've been called.

That being said, The camera is big.

I think maybe the shadowy bits of my left hand in the image make it look a little wider than it really is, but it measures nearly 7 1/2 inches at any rate vs the 6 1/2 inches or so of my entire head. It is not quite as deep (Nor nearly as heavy) as the Pentax 6x7, but it is almost exactly the same width. (I measured my Pentax 6x7 at right around 7 1/4 inches wide.) After measuring the camera in that image viewed at whatever the large size flickr image is, with my trusty tape measure, and a doing a little algebra...I agree.

By my back-of-the-envelope math, the camera appears to be about 20% larger than it really is...with relation to my tiny head.

Thanks for pointing that out....I hadn't really thought about the distortion at that focus distance before. I just knew it was BIG, saw that negative after I scanned and thought "look, here's my proof...that camera is enormous".
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Yeah, saw that earlier. It does look big, but at the end of the day it cannot be that much bigger than my Moskva-5 folded out. Hopefully slightly easier to focus, and luckily I have big hands.
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never had a Moskva, but... it's about the double of a 6x9 zeiss ikonta.

That thing is a friggin monster.

That did not stop me to haul it around on holidays or work trips to Spain, Greece, Brazil (twice) and some more. My friend was making jokes that his digital toy would fit in completely into my camera (and still would have place for film).
In this sense, it IS portable. Not in a pocket, but it's OK on a shoulder. Not too heavy and it is ergonomically well made for shooting.

You won't go unnoticed with it, though.

What does bug me a bit is, 8 frames per film on BW is a bit low... 220 slides though were nice to use in it (and to look at end result).

And it's reliable&precise, very well made.
I have the ii version.

I'd say go for it and see how it works out for you.

EDIT: ok i see you succumbed for its little brother. You'll regret it :evil:
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I now shoot the big 690 models. Most of this thread has given the Big Fuji's heat for the size and weight. What a bunch of garbage. They are still smaller than large format 4X5 which the next routine larger size.

And for me the 645 doesn't cut it when you want to print really big.

Further more on the weight and size, the GW and GSW models are really no heavier and bigger than the professional full frame DSLR's.
To bolster Kuzano's comments and your courage in the future -- I found switching to an Op-Tech strap really made carrying the original Fuji 690s (interchangeable lenses and heavier than the later fixed lens ones) much more comfortable. I think it was the E-Z Comfort model from looking at their online catalog; they also carry a pro model.

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Giorgio, can I ask which Op-Tech strap you bought? I just received my Fuji GW690 and bought a Crumpler Public Discrace strap but it's probably going to be to narrow around the neck. It's fine on a GA645zi. I have one on mine.
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Yeah, it's big. So what? I use an Optech Pro Loop strap on the lugs on the left top and bottom, the end of the side with the door hinge. Throw it over a shoulder and it hangs straight down, nicely out of the way. Good camera. I often tote the III and my GA645 together.

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Giorgio, can I ask which Op-Tech strap you bought? I just received my Fuji GW690 and bought a Crumpler Public Discrace strap but it's probably going to be to narrow around the neck. It's fine on a GA645zi. I have one on mine.
Curt, it looks like the Super Classic Strap with Pro loop, but you might also look at the S.O.S. strap (Save our shoulders). I wear it over the shoulder, not around the neck.

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