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R-D1s in 2020 ?
Old 01-09-2020   #1
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R-D1s in 2020 ?

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Am I mad I have just bought a R-D1s with a Voigtlander 35mm f2.5 lens from a UK seller at a price I felt was a good one, compared to Japan prices anyway.
Have always wanted to try one of these cameras, but am I mad buying one in 2020 ?
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Old 01-09-2020   #2
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If the battery is still good and the sensor isn't full of dead pixels, I think it's still a very capable camera today. I still like it better than the Leica M-E I bought to replace it.
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Old 01-09-2020   #3
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I am still using them. The R-D1 -D1s and D1x still fetch high prices so you can't be that mad.
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Old 01-09-2020   #4
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Still got my RD1 and I’ll be hanging onto it. A digital camera with analog feel. I have CV15, CV28 3.5, 7artisans 35/2 and chrome Jupiter 8.
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If 6mp is enough for you, then it still makes the same photos it used to.
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Old 01-09-2020   #6
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The mp issue is marketeers nonsense. is not important, unless you intend to produce large prints.
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At very beginning the sensor crop factor was wasteful on expensive RF lenses and sensor itself was already old.
The only new in 2020 is vintage screen.
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To stay in the flow...and sensor is very good.
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Yeah, and it produces lovely color images.
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Old 01-09-2020   #10
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You might be a little bit mad. ;-) However, they're great cameras. Over the past few weeks I've been printing some images I took with mine back in 2005. The prints look great, even at 6MP.
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Old 01-09-2020   #11
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Love my R-D1! But I would never pay those asking prices you see, I got lucky and took a chance one on listed as untested because the seller had no battery/charger, a $200 gamble that paid off.
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Well mine arrived early this morning and what a great feeling camera beautiful design and feel and like others cocking the shutter feels so wonderful. Found my way round the camera very easily and tried a few shots all working as it should, so got a good one. Also I bought from a UK seller with the lens and did not pay the silly Japan prices you see on eBay. When weather brighten ups I will venture out and take a few more shots.
Was I mad well so far, I don't think so
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Old 01-11-2020   #13
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Congrats, it still is(and always will be IMO) a great camera.

One of my former department bosses just returned from Japan, I wish I had known ahead of time as I would have asked him to check out the shops for an X to round out the trio.
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Hi,
Just like to say hi,
Am I mad I have just bought a R-D1s with a Voigtlander 35mm f2.5 lens from a UK seller at a price I felt was a good one, compared to Japan prices anyway.
Have always wanted to try one of these cameras, but am I mad buying one in 2020 ?
If you are okay with 6mp and the 2gb size limit on memory cards (except on the R-D1x) then why not? The biggest irritant is likely to be batteries — the third-party batteries still available just don’t have anywhere near the capacity of the original Epson battery.

Somebody told me a while back that original Epson batteries are still available in Japan because of the relative longevity of the R-D1x. Any Japan-based readers who can confirm or deny?

PS — price is not an issue for me because I bought mine when they first became available and have kept it ever since. Amortization is your friend!
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Somebody told me a while back that original Epson batteries are still available in Japan because of the relative longevity of the R-D1x. Any Japan-based readers who can confirm or deny?
EDIT: This isn't true. Just looking around a bit online, all the OEM batteries you can get in Japan are used and any new ones are third-party.
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A: It's a damn fun camera to shoot. B: Though somewhat limited by today's standards it is still a very capable camera with a somewhat unique rendering. C: Every day it is getting rarer and rarer, it should be an investment soon. D: See A.
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Its not just print, but also hi-res TV and monitors that are used for viewing. Me think 6mp today is too low. My M8's 10mp also.
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I have a 21" 4K monitor and have printed 12x18 pics and the results are just super on both media.
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I have a 21" 4K monitor and have printed 12x18 pics and the results are just super on both media.
In 4K screens and above, these old files have to be stretched to cover the whole screen. This does not result noticeable loss in quality?
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In 4K screens and above, these old files have to be stretched to cover the whole screen. This does not result noticeable loss in quality?
well 4k is 8megapixels.. but format of sensor have different ratio -its not wide as 4k screen-so I guess since you will use not full width you use around 6mpix-
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In 4K screens and above, these old files have to be stretched to cover the whole screen. This does not result noticeable loss in quality?
Not really. I have a 5k iMac, so in 1:1, the files of my R-D1 only cover a part of the screen. But since the pixels are too small to be seen individually anyway and also since the scaling algorithms used by modern software are pretty good, you won't notice any obvious degration.

Of course, if you are a pixel-peeper... then you will see it. But then you wouldn't buy a R-D1 in the first place. The camera still produces very pleasing images with great and smooth colors.
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Old 01-15-2020   #22
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As long as you keep the limitations in mind, 6mp is plenty most of the time. I like the small RAW files and the JPGs have their own unique texture and organic colors. I rarely look at the LCD, love the mechanical nature of the camera operation and always carry three extra batteries.
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Lol, I still have four or five Lenmar batteries in the original blister packs floating about somewhere for when all my OEM and 1st set of Lenmars die.
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There are just two things that have kept me away from the R-D1. I don't like the crop factor, and there had been a problem, from the outset, with getting them repaired. I don't imagine that situation has improved. If it were not for those issues scaring me away, I think I'd have gotten one a long time ago!
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Crop factor is just a bourgeois concept (is a Rolleiflex a crop-factor Linhof?) but if you don't personally like the sensor size, then fine. Repairability is no worse than a lot of other discontinued camera models... the shutter is a standard modular type, the cocking mechanism is common to many Cosina models, so various independents can often repair them. (Anybody know if Steve's Camera Service still works on them? They did a good job on mine, but that was several years ago.) So the main thing you'd have to worry about would be failure of a proprietary electronic component, which is a risk factor with most older electronic cameras. What most people actually are worried about is not that it might suddenly turn into a paperweight, but that it would be an expensive paperweight...
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Crop factor is just a bourgeois concept
That is brilliant! Mind, if I cite that in other forums...?
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Posted a couple of photos and the camera seems to be great, feels just right
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I always liked black & white and always leave the camera on ISO 200 just like the old films days I only ever used 200 back then
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On Epson service, there was a discussion about this a while back. As far as I recall, the R-D1s and R-D1x are still serviced by Epson Japan. One way of getting the camera to Epson, is to go through https://www.japancamerahunter.com/ who, against a fee, will act as your local representative. He can also source Epson cameras and batteries in Japan.
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Curious if anyone has any ERF filed they would be willing to share? I tried to find samples online and could not find any raws files. Out of curiosity I converted Epson Photo Raw to be able to run under OSX 10.14.6 but have no files to test it on to see if it works completely.

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Here's a link to a zip containing a little clutch of Epson ERF files that you can download for testing. Don't expect them to be super-sharp, as I shot a lot of them with the 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 lens at full aperture.

I manage my ERF files in Lightroom CC, so would be interested to see what the conversions from Epson Photo Raw look like. I haven't tried using Photo Raw in years.

https://adobe.ly/377Bpjf
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Same files converted by Lightroom:

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Awesome, thanks.

This confirmed the conversion works. I used Wine to convert the Windows version of Epson Photo Raw to a Mac OSX application. It imported and processed your files fine.



I left all image parameters at default. You can see the conversions here.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/[email protected]/28013n

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Wow, that's a fascinating way to get the application onto a modern MacOS version! Thanks for the info.
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Wow, I just checked the going prices for these used cameras... 1,400 USD and up.

A new Sony A7 II or a Canon EOS RP sounds like a better deal....but if you are a big fan of the Epson and its built-in M mount and real optical RF operation then nothing else will do.. other than a digital Leica M.
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It´s a cult camera and gave me great results back then, but when i bought a zm 35mm lens the sensor just couldnt give me the results i was expecting. Don´t know if today is a real alternative.
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Wow, I just checked the going prices for these used cameras... 1,400 USD and up.

A new Sony A7 II or a Canon EOS RP sounds like a better deal....but if you are a big fan of the Epson and its built-in M mount and real optical RF operation then nothing else will do.. other than a digital Leica M.
And the Leica’s don’t have the 1:1 viewfinder.

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Wow, I just checked the going prices for these used cameras... 1,400 USD and up.

A new Sony A7 II or a Canon EOS RP sounds like a better deal....but if you are a big fan of the Epson and its built-in M mount and real optical RF operation then nothing else will do.. other than a digital Leica M.
I wonder whether those $1,400-and-up figures are actual selling prices or only asking prices. I'd be surprised if many are changing hands in that range. Last year just out of curiosity I asked a classic camera dealer what he'd give me for mine and he said he wasn’t interested in it regardless of price.

I bought mine when they first came out and have had it ever since, so current prices don't concern me much. I don't use it much because 6mp seems pretty limiting, but I don't really have any issues with the way it works. Sure, I'd rather have a Leica M10P to get the 24mp and longer rangefinder base (although it would be hard to give up the R-D1's full-life-size viewfinder) but I doubt if I'll ever have that much money to spend on a single camera.

Re the Sony/Canon/other adapted mirrorless solution, one pragmatic thing I'll say is that it's surprisingly hard to focus vintage-style wide-aperture lenses on them... I've particularly run into this with my 7Artisans 50/1.1 and 75/1.2 as well as old crocks such as my 85/1.5 Canon LTM. All these lenses have some spherical aberration, which means that instead of a single point of best focus, they have a sort of “tunnel of pretty good focus,” and when trying to focus through the lens you wind up sawing back and forth trying to decide which point is best, whereas with an optical rangefinder you can bang right into correct focus with no fuss.
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Crop factor is just a bourgeois concept (is a Rolleiflex a crop-factor Linhof?) but if you don't personally like the sensor size, then fine. ...
I don't care for sensor size as long as where are decent lenses and framelines to support it.

Industar-69 28 2.8 is awesome half-frame 10$ lens on M8. Color Skopar 25 f4 is fine. M8 has framelines for it.

R-D1 28x1.5=42. Not even 35 FOV. 42 and narrower is too limiting, IMO. While M8 has 24 framelines, 24x1.33=32.

R-D1 is 42, 50 mm FOV camera. Not something I want as RF camera. It is like back to USSR again. 21, 28 and 35 would be my choice for 1.5 crop, but they never came with APS-C RF lenses (cheaper to make) to support this crop factor.
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https://www.checkaflip.com for Epson rangefinder has an average selling price of about 1070usd with a pretty wide range of prices in there. Natcam or usedphotopro recently had one for around 1200 and it was gone quickly. KEH just had an excellent plus one for 800 during their sale. Popflash has a RD1X for $1500 right now.

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I don't care for sensor size as long as where are decent lenses and framelines to support it.

Industar-69 28 2.8 is awesome half-frame 10$ lens on M8. Color Skopar 24 f4 is fine. M8 has framelines for it.

R-D1 28x1.5=42. Not even 35 FOV. 42 and narrower is too limiting, IMO. While M8 has 24 framelines, 24x1.33=32.

R-D1 is 42, 50 mm FOV camera. Not something I want as RF camera. It is like back to USSR again. 21, 28 and 35 would be my choice for 1.5 crop, but they never came with APS-C RF lenses (cheaper to make) to support this crop factor.
The entire viewfinder is supposed to be about right for a 24mm lens. With both eyes open you should get a superimposed black border that is about a 35mm fov.

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