Long live film
Old 11-18-2013   #1
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Long live film

Don't know if this movie already has been posted, but certainly worth a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjtphPVchJI
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Old 11-18-2013   #2
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Too many hipsters/trendsters, but whatever. More people shooting film is great in my book. Definitely a cool 46min look, with some very impressive shots.

Have films sales actually been on the increase since 2009?
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I don't care about the hipster-thing; I see some great shots & people using Pentax 67's, Mamiya RB's, Leica's, Nikons etcetera and they are shooting FILM! :-)
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Great stuff. Nice to see a new generation keep film alive.
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Old 11-18-2013   #5
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I strolled through Berlin yesterday near Mauerpark, Prenzlauer Berg and my goodness lot of people with film cameras. This is certainly good for us, cause the demands will be steady. I only hope this is not just a fashion trend like so many other things.
Btw, I realized the society is getting more and more back to retro, at least here in Germany! How is it at the other side of the pond ?
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I only hope this is not just a fashion trend like so many other things.
Unfortunately, it is. Film will never be mainstream again...
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Old 11-18-2013   #7
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Terrific video.

Wonderful photography.

Take time to smell the roses. Photograph them with film.
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Unfortunately, it is. Film will never be mainstream again...
I never expected film to be mainstream again, and why would we need it to be?

Film just need to make sense for manufacturers to sustain indefinitely and make sense for the future generation to use.
That is all.

This movie is great.
Young people who stated why they choose film, and I share their reasons.

Kodak is going in the right direction by helping to produce this movie.
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http://framednetwork.com/shows/film/

They have 2 seasons of this show, its not the most interesting, but not horrible...
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I never expected film to be mainstream again, and why would we need it to be?

Film just need to make sense for manufacturers to sustain indefinitely and make sense for the future generation to use.
That is all.
It doesn't need to be, but it always helps for longevity. We've seen enough film dry up in the last ten years to know that it could get very expensive to use... or you are stuck with brands / types that are inferior to what was available in the past.

Right now, it is cool to use film. That will not last... it'll go through cycles. The true test of the longevity of film will be what happens when it's at the low end of a popularity cycle.

Now, where were all the hipsters in that video?
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In the immortal words of Leica, circa 2002, digital "is just a passing fad. Film will remain the preferred medium for the forseeable future."

If Leica says it, I believe it.
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A fun little video, but apparently, in order to continue shooting film, I need to grow a beard and get a lot of plaid shirts. I wish they had found more people who have been shooting film for some time and have stuck with it (there's at least one who says so) instead of mostly young folks who have moved from digital to film.
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A fun little video, but apparently, in order to continue shooting film, I need to grow a beard and get a lot of plaid shirts. I wish they had found more people who have been shooting film for some time and have stuck with it (there's at least one who says so) instead of mostly young folks who have moved from digital to film.
Your complaining there weren't any old people in the movie? Did you miss the point of the whole thing?
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Yes, very good to these people shooting film. And the age-and-beard thing is OK with me as long as they keep shooting while they grow bald or grey. Some very nice shots as well!
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Have films sales actually been on the increase since 2009?

I think so. See here: http://www.shootingfilm.net/2013/06/...-rolls-of.html
Film sales are probably also up in Germany, which - I'm aware of that - does not mean too much - and IIRC they were also up for at least one company from 2010 to 2011.
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You're complaining there weren't any old people in the movie? Did you miss the point of the whole thing?
The description doesn't mention "young photographers rediscovering film," and several times in the opening they talk about people "still shooting film" instead of moving from digital to film. After setting up the idea of "still shooting film," they spend nearly the entire video on "young photographers rediscovering film" and/or "moving from digital to film." So, yes, I'm complaining about their very narrow focus on a specific group of film photographers rather than an attempt to cover a wide variety of people who are "still" shooting film today. Had they made it clear that they were to focus on the hirsute and plaid-clad "hipster" photographers, then I'd have no reason to complain. "Still shooting film" implies a group who have continued to use film rather than are new to film, and having more than one photographer who has always shot film would have better fit their premise.
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When CD's almost killed off vinyl, it was rescued by audio freaks and other "fringe" elements precisely beause it a) sounded better, and b) because it was different and cool. Seems similar to what's happening with film. The vinyl thing went on to thrive as a niche product, with manufacturers releasing a plethora of new turntable and cartridge models. I think we'll need to see manufacturers releasing new film camera models in order to be reasonably certain that there is a future in film.
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boring, very boring! Hipster wedding photographers doing portraits on medium format cameras pretending that the fact that there is no screen to look at, makes them better photographers

(PS: I shoot film )
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When CD's almost killed off vinyl, it was rescued by audio freaks and other "fringe" elements precisely beause it a) sounded better, and b) because it was different and cool. Seems similar to what's happening with film. The vinyl thing went on to thrive as a niche product, with manufacturers releasing a plethora of new turntable and cartridge models. I think we'll need to see manufacturers releasing new film camera models in order to be reasonably certain that there is a future in film.
yes and no: vinyl reemerged when mp3 killed cd. A lot of vinyl collectors like the physical cover of an LP ( instead of a digital mp3) . And a Vinyl cover in your hand is way better than a cd.
Vinyl is not a niche product anymore, as nearly every mainstream band seems to edit a vinyl version of their albums and as vinyls are now available in big stores (at least here in europe)
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Young Whipper Snappers with film cameras. Fantastic!

I can only hope they stay with it.
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Hipsters, cool... How about people who likes real film looks.
Few weeks I gave my Zorki 6 to 19 YO fella, who asked his parents why old pictures looks so different.
The answer was - because it was taken on film.
He likes them, so he decided to try it. Not because it is cool, but because he could clearly see the difference.
It is also common trend among more expirienced photogs.
I see it at P.O.T.N. from time to time.
Guys like me adding, returning to film as different media, because digital cameras aren't capable yet.
And faking it in PP to film looks is waste of time often.
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It is a pity, they have downplayed the really important things:

- film labs dying
- scanners going out of production
- real reason for sticking with film: B&W
- state of the art B&W print - silver gelatin
- documentary and archival value of a film negative

It would have been helpful to show at least one well known film photographer:
A John Sexton or Caponigro senior.
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It is a pity, they have downplayed the really important things:

- film labs dying
- scanners going out of production
- real reason for sticking with film: B&W
- state of the art B&W print - silver gelatin
- documentary and archival value of a film negative

It would have been helpful to show at least one well known film photographer:
A John Sexton or Caponigro senior.
You are totally right
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Hipsters, cool... How about people who likes real film looks.
Few weeks I gave my Zorki 6 to 19 YO fella, who asked his parents why old pictures looks so different.
The answer was - because it was taken on film.
He likes them, so he decided to try it. Not because it is cool, but because he could clearly see the difference.
It is also common trend among more expirienced photogs.
I see it at P.O.T.N. from time to time.
Guys like me adding, returning to film as different media, because digital cameras aren't capable yet.
And faking it in PP to film looks is waste of time often.
"P.O.T.N."?
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Vinyl is not a niche product anymore, as nearly every mainstream band seems to edit a vinyl version of their albums and as vinyls are now available in big stores (at least here in europe)
I wonder how many LPs are sold vs. CDs / MP3 versions of albums? If it's like 1%, then it's a niche.
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yes and no: vinyl reemerged when mp3 killed cd. A lot of vinyl collectors like the physical cover of an LP ( instead of a digital mp3) . And a Vinyl cover in your hand is way better than a cd.
Vinyl is not a niche product anymore, as nearly every mainstream band seems to edit a vinyl version of their albums and as vinyls are now available in big stores (at least here in europe)
I think you missed my point. It's not whether or not vinyl sales as a percentage of overall recorded music sales qualify as "niche", even though I suspect it does, but that the survival of the medium was made possible through the release of new machines on which to play it. If new turntables and cartridges hadn't been made, the dwindling number of working, old turntables and cartridges would have condemned the whole experience to a slow but certain death. Conversely, we need new film cameras to be produced to take the place of the constantly shrinking number of old existing film cameras out there. Especially mid-and high end models would be required. Aging of the population, if you will.
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I wish they had found more people who have been shooting film for some time and have stuck with it (there's at least one who says so) instead of mostly young folks who have moved from digital to film.
This could have been cool. However, I suspect that those who have used film for many, many years have no reason to make a love letter to the medium. The work most likely speaks for itself.
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I think you missed my point. It's not whether or not vinyl sales as a percentage of overall recorded music sales qualify as "niche", even though I suspect it does, but that the survival of the medium was made possible through the release of new machines on which to play it. If new turntables and cartridges hadn't been made, the dwindling number of working, old turntables and cartridges would have condemned the whole experience to a slow but certain death. Conversely, we need new film cameras to be produced to take the place of the constantly shrinking number of old existing film cameras out there. Especially mid-and high end models would be required. Aging of the population, if you will.
Actually you are right, I didn't understand it this way..... but I totally agree with you
Just for fun : how about a new film camera that would automatically converts film to jpeg ?
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The digitally produced subtitles have artifacts.

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Let's hope so...
Guess not .
It's just a different medium and simply a matter of personal preference and choice.
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Good effort to promote film , as long as we keep talking about it and shooting , it wont be forgotten.
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While I appreciated the documentary for what it was, I just wish it didn't revolve around different people answering the same question: "Why do you shoot film?" Tons of repetitive answers and boring at times.
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Watched it last night, interesting for the most part. Just glad to see more people using film.
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And was this movie done using film? Nope.
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Nice sales pitch by The Impossible Project folk. But it did get a bit tiring listening to the same warm-and-fuzzy notions over and over. In the end, we all still just end up with a big stack of images. How they were produced? No one will care... doesn't matter. Click on.
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Unfortunately, it is. Film will never be mainstream again...
Sure, but automatic and manual wind watches stopped being mainstream a while ago. Sailing boats vs. motor boats too.

Niches can survive and thrive, not everything has to be used by the masses, and few things even benefit from being used by the masses.
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Interesting movie. The analogy to vinyl is very relevant in my opinion: yes vinyl is growing but it remains a very very small part of the music business. Because I have that vice as well: vinyl albums sell something on the range of 4 million per year, accounting for a bit more than 1% of the total music business sales, it's peanuts.

Similarly, I don't expect Film to become mainstream again. It's not a matter of taste (I personally love it), it's a matter of a technology that makes it easier for people to take photos that has taken over. With a digital camera, you press a key, you don't have to understand exposure, spent money on film, etc. We can argue whether this is good or bad but that's reality. History is full of cases of easier to use/cheaper technology taking over regardless of quality...
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As mentioned, the parade of film-shooting hipsters is repetitive, but there is strength in numbers and this IS a big slice of the younger generation (my non-hipster self included) that needs to be convinced to pick up the medium to keep it going. Spread the word - it's all good.

If someone wants to make their own documentary lamenting all the downsides of the film industry and feature photographers that people don't relate to, have at it.
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