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Old 01-12-2011   #1
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3.5cm Elmar

Does anyone use, have owned or an opinion on the Leitz 3.5cm Elmar, if anyone has any shots they could post I would be more than greatfull
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Old 01-12-2011   #2
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thankyou chaps, I'll keep an eye out for a good condition one
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Old 01-12-2011   #5
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Interested too...

Could someone elaborate on the different versions?
coated/ uncoated/ red dial (and others?)
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We're talking about the 35mm wide-angle Elmar, right ?

"The Leica reputation was made on this lens. Buy it, you won't be disappointed."

I thought the Leica reputation was founded on the 5cm (50mm) Elmar ?
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Old 01-12-2011   #7
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We're talking about the 35mm wide-angle Elmar, right ?

"The Leica reputation was made on this lens. Buy it, you won't be disappointed."

I thought the Leica reputation was founded on the 5cm (50mm) Elmar ?
Me as well.

And for the price of 35 Elmars being sold on ebay a good modern Biogon could be bought...
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Old 01-12-2011   #8
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Just for information, the codeword for the Elmar 3.5cm is Ekurz (presumably nickel) and Ekurz chrom (presumably chrome)
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Oops. I thought it was f/3.5 for the 50mm version. I have no personal experiance with the 35/3.5 and am looking for a Summaron version rather than an Elmar because the optical design of an Elmar is ill-suited to wide angles in general.

Sorry about the confusion.

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For a 35mm the Summaron is the better lens!
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Old 01-12-2011   #11
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Elmar 3.5/35

It needs tweaking. On a digital M it's a marvel.
See here: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...2&postcount=28
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Old 01-12-2011   #12
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The 3.5 35mm Elmar comes from a prevoius age and shows it. The 3.5 50mm Elmar is a different story. For 35mm the Summaron is a whole different kettle of fish.

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Aye Michael, but unfortunately a whole different kettle of pounds/dollars
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I don't think the results I got with an 35mm Elmar on my LTM Leicas were that great. I felt it performed better on my Epson R-D1. This could be down to the quality of my lens or that I'm just a lousy photographer.


Leica IIIa + uncoated 35mm f/3.5 Elmar, crappy scan
Commemoration at the War Memorial in Helvoirt (NL)


Testing the uncoated 35mm f/3.5 Elmar on an Epson R-D1
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For the last two years or so, most of my film photography has been with my Leica III and an uncoated Elmar 35mm from around 1940.

Contrast is pretty low, but generally the 4x6 pics have been acceptable from a sharpness standpoint.

It seems to produce sharper images than my Canon 1.8 / 35mm ( which may need collimation).

Most people who shoot LTM tend to regard the Elmar 3,5 and Hektor 2,8 wide-angles as collectors pieces, rather than great shooting lenses.

This would seem to be borne-out by Leica replacing the Elmar 35 with Summaron after only about 16 years, while they revised and continued the 50 mm Elmar for 50-some years ?

I am curious that the Elmar 35 seems to produce better results on digital cameras ?
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The f3.5/35 Elmar draws better on my M8 then on the LTM bodies..........BUT the f3.5/50 Elmar is a GREAT LENS all the way around, digital or film, doesn't matter.

The f3.5/50 is what made the company and it's great name in the 1930's and 40's, that lens with a IIIC are amazing tools

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Looks like I am going to have to invest in a Elmar 5cm 3.5, (coated then)
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Old 01-13-2011   #18
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I got a 35/3.5 Elmar as a curiosity. Contrast is low, curvature of field at wide apertures is pretty severe. Sharp corners aren't its specialty. Leica's period instructions said that like all "ultra wide angle" lenses, you should use it wide open only if "absolutely necessary".

The lenses I use to get results are the Canon 35/2.8 and 35/1.8. I'm sure the 35/3.5 Summaron is a fine lens, but I don't have one.
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The 3.5 35mm Elmar comes from a prevoius age and shows it. The 3.5 50mm Elmar is a different story. For 35mm the Summaron is a whole different kettle of fish.

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Dralowid, what is that lens that you have pictured?
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Just picked these two beauties up from the evilbay, awaiting them in the mail.......





A "wartime" 1942/3 issue f3.5/35 Elmar and an original era correct Leitz UV filter, I still need some caps and I can't wait till these get here, YAY!!!!!
then it's picture TEST TIME with them both on my M8

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Old 01-22-2011   #21
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For reference these are with a (borrowed) 35 3.5 summaron if I recall - M6 and Tri-x developed in Tmax RS.







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There are two books Leica owners need (apart from the instructions) published years ago by Hove Foto Books called "Leica Accessory Guide" and "Leica Pocket Book". Both appear from time to time on ebay and elsewhere and often go unsold at very low prices.

For example, my copy of the pocket one shows the Elmar in 35mm to have been first produced in 1932 when 1,958 of the were made and so on up to 1950 when a handful were produced. It also shows prototypes that only exist in Leica's museum. And the 1924/25 Anastigmat, that someone was asking about.

Could I possibly suggest, in the politest possible way, that the purchase of these two is far more important (even an investment) than money spent on lenses?

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PS Back on topic, after reading the thread I think I'll be getting my Elmar 3,5cm f/35 completely overhauled. It's obviously needed; although it will never match the 1990's version...

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"...the optical design of an Elmar is ill-suited to wide angles in general."

Not my experience at all. The 35/2.8 Elmar is superb and still enjoys a solid following in the market. This for reasons other than being an economy version of the Summicron. They are very sharp and very well corrected.
There is no 35mm 2.8 Elmar. That is the 50mm 2.8 Elmar you are referring to.
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It's the photographer and not the lens ...

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The "wartime" f3.5/35 Elmar just came in the mail today and it is beautiful.......as soon as I have samples shot with the M8 I'll post


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The "wartime" f3.5/35 Elmar just came in the mail today and it is beautiful.......as soon as I have samples shot with the M8 I'll post


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I have a 1950s Red Scale Elmar 50/3.5. The Red Scale is more sought-after and uses different glasses to earlier models although opinions differ as to whether this makes a difference.

Anyway, it folds down almost flush with the camera body and is very sharp at mid-apertures. Single-coated and contrast is medium. Watch out for separation of the cemented pair due to a balsam fault - this shows up as concentric rings under the "flashlight test". I had my lens cleaned and recemented for a ridiculously low price - about 40GBP, I think.

The Elmar 35/3.5, as with all Leica's early wide-angle efforts, isn't in Summicron territory for performance. The Summaron was a lot better, although my Summaron is a bit soft in the corners even at f/11.

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35 Elmars are good for paper weights, unless you like no coating, field curvature, and not very sharp.

35 3.5 Summaron is a pretty nice lens and I use mine a screw mount cameras.
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35 Elmars are good for paper weights, unless you like no coating, field curvature, and not very sharp.
I can second that, I have one too. What I really like about it is it's size. I have some Lomo results with it, but I always shoot it WFO, may be I'll give it a chance and stop it down. When my IIIa will return from CLA pit stop I'll shoot and post some if the tread is still on.
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I'm glad to hear others mention the curvature of field - I thought there was something wrong with my adapter. Here are a couple of examples from my 3.5cm and NEX-3.

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I like mine. I have a pre-war uncoated example with near perfect glass. I love its compact size.


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Quite beautiful...

It's funny to hear people say they are useless and then great photos are posted using the useless lens.
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Thanks js - aside from the corners (which look kind of cool in the right situation), I've been very happy with the lens's performance. Of course, others using digital have said the same thing, while the film people seem less satisfied.
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Quite welcome. Yes, I think for digital these old lenses give you a way to make your camera look less digital... plus, using 60-80 year old lenses on a digital is just kind of cool. I'm not looking for a perfect lens, I'm looking for imperfection when I buy something like this.
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