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Old 10-03-2010   #561
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A full frame CV body with no LCD to keep cost and size down. Basically a mechanical RF with all the settings accessible through switches or through your computer with presets.

Mechanical film advance with a 12 mp full frame sensor.
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Old 10-03-2010   #562
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Besides the Digital Bessa, what NEW Voigtlander rangefinder or SLR lens would you like to see?
- A 127 TLR with 2.8/60 lens and AE, price < EUR 600.
- A 127 RF with 3.5/30 lens, spot metering, mechanical shutter, price < EUR 800.
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Old 10-06-2010   #563
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Faster than f/4.5 superwide lens.
Like a 15mm f/3.5 would be nice. An f/2.8 variant would be amazing.

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Old 10-07-2010   #564
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I really like the idea of panoramic Bessa. Xpan compares price-wise to 617 cameras.

But I would be perfectly fine with a folding 6x12 camera too - for the beginning with 65 mm lens (version with 115 mm would follow later ). Let's call it "Bessa the Fourth"
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I've always been fascinated by the Zeiss Contarex range of lenses. Supposedly they're amongst the best lenses ever made. The Contarex bodies, however, are very unattractive to me - too big, too quirky and too expensive. I don't think that there are any adapters available for using the Contarex lenses on another body without loosing infinity focus. How about a Bessaflex for the Contarex lenses?
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Yep, TLR or panoramic. I'd buy both.
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A full frame CV body with no LCD to keep cost and size down. Basically a mechanical RF with all the settings accessible through switches or through your computer with presets.

Mechanical film advance with a 12 mp full frame sensor.
Bulls eye.
12 MP full frame also has larger pixel size than 37 MP so we can go down beyond F11 and avoid mechanical unsharpness (I don't know the name for it now but it seems the diaphragm gives a dispersion effect, blurring the plane of focus). Then with 1200 Asa we get real TRI-X effects if we want.
12 MP - sharpness is better than pixel count, maybe.
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Old 11-07-2010   #569
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Off the wall, but how about a 55mm f2 Nokton in Mamiya M645 mount. I'd kill for a fast wide MF lens and it's never been done in a common system. A fast portrait lens (110-120 at f2) would be awesome as well.

There's a pretty large community of M645 shooters out there and it would also be usable on the modern 645AF and PhaseOne bodies as well.
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I have a weird idea that I think *could* work for CV. The M9, besides being overpriced, has problems with wide-angle lenses due to the lens being too close to the sensor, as it's a Bayer array sensor.

If CV were to license Foveon technology for a full-frame 12-16 MP sensor, put it into a digital Bessa (RD-2?) camera, I'm curious if the more film-like (three layer) technology will better suit rangefinder lenses, especially wide-angle ones. I don't know too much about the actual technology, but I think that would be pretty neat. Sigma's newest camera has an *actual* 15MP sensor (as in 15MP for each layer)... or I think it does =].

Seeing as "film-style" digital cameras are niche, rangefinders more so, I don't think many people would be too upset by a lack of an LCD screen, raw-only capture in colour (or perhaps B/W button on the back?), etc. to save on costs. Obviously, it wouldn't need the fastest processor, advanced metering, wouldn't have AF, etc. Could also have a mechanical film advance.

Sell it for maybe $2,500 and watch Leica cringe.

Seeing as that is very, very far-fetched, some things I'd actually like to see.

A 21mm f/2.8 or f/2.0 lens, maybe $850 (more for the f/2.0)
A 50mm f/2.0 lens, M-mount, maybe $350-450. Would be compact, similar to the 40mm Nokton size. I'd like to see this the most.
A 90mm f/2.8 M-mount lens, maybe $800.

As for bodies, the Bessa series really has everything covered in terms of film. Perhaps add 28mm lines for the R2 series, and 35mm lines to the R3 series? Maybe a 1/4000s shutter speed option, and a 2s/4s/8s option as well.

Also, change the damn typeface on the camera. The Voigtländer logo is fine, but needs to be engraved and made a bit smaller. The model type needs to be engraved and the font needs to change. Either make it a classic-style font or a modern one, but not the plain font it is now. Also engrave the frame line selector numbers.

If CV goes digital, I think they have to go FF. There seem to be two directions with digital cameras today, the consumer-oriented crowd, more and more heading to mirrorless-style interchangeable-lens compact cameras, and the prosumer crowd, more and more heading to FF SLR bodies with higher-end lenses.

People buy the M8 because they can't afford an M9, and the M9 is overpriced. CV can really capitalise on this by releasing a sub-$3,000 camera. Especially if they catered to the various shooting styles, similar to the three current Bessa lines. The hardware is the same, the only difference is the rangefinder.

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another 35mm f1.4 with better/softer oof areas and more flare control...a real competitor to summilux...
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A compact (pocketable when folded) reasonable height (4.5'+) folding tripod capable of holding a Leica M steady for night-time long-exposure city shooting.

A very small flash with a movable head for bounce, which is capable of a "fill" setting on semi-auto (where you specify aperture & ISO). Doesn't need to have GNC/TTL.
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Old 11-07-2010   #573
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Could Cosina do something like the 28-35-50 Tri-Elmar?
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Old 11-14-2010   #575
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I have a weird idea that I think *could* work for CV. The M9, besides being overpriced, has problems with wide-angle lenses due to the lens being too close to the sensor, as it's a Bayer array sensor.

If CV were to license Foveon technology for a full-frame 12-16 MP sensor, put it into a digital Bessa (RD-2?) camera, I'm curious if the more film-like (three layer) technology will better suit rangefinder lenses, especially wide-angle ones. I don't know too much about the actual technology, but I think that would be pretty neat. Sigma's newest camera has an *actual* 15MP sensor (as in 15MP for each layer)... or I think it does =].
Foveon sensors are in fact more sensitive to angle of incidence issues than bayer sensors are due to the use of deep stacked sensor wells.

The issue that is encountered with the M9 is due to the topology of CCD and CMOS sensors in general (ie sensor wells being sensitive to angle of incidence issues and microlenses being an imperfect fix), not Bayer sensors in specific. The symptoms (colour shifts) are due to the Bayer design (when light passes through the microlens some makes it to adjacent wells, causing colour shifts), a Foveon sensor would merely end up suffering from extreme vignetting and blue-shift instead of the generally greenish shift bayer sensors get.
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The Nokton 50/1.5 in M-mount and MUCH better built body.
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Maybe a 50 1.5 redone in M mount ...)
Yes! 50/1.5 in M mount, at least as good as the discontinued LTM version.
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I would second the 35/1.4 re-designed to have softer OOF highlights and a little better flare control. The 35/1.2 was a masterpiece, but too heavy as a "walk around lens". The 35/1.4 is supremely small and light for the speed, but falls short in terms of ultimate optical quality IMHO. The 35/2.5 looks to give great results and is very small, but is perhaps a little too slow for meaningful control of depth of field on a moderate wide angle lens.
So there we have it, CV offer us three 35mm lenses that each have two of the following three properties, but none with all three:
- small
- fast
- nice out of focus rendering

Perhaps the compromise many of us are waiting for is a smaller redesigned CV 35/1.7???
If they get it right, they won't need to manufacture any other 35mm for a while!

I still want the 135mm too... this would be such an easy lens to design and they would sell quite a few I think.
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Here's an idea: a telephoto-design 50mm f/2. That should make it a flat/pancake type RF normal lens, the only of its kind.
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Also, it been said before, but 18-21-25 tri-skopar would be nice.
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I agree with a small 50mm f/2 or f/1.4. I'd also love to see a new Kontur finder.
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I've been looking at the various CV 35mm lenses for a while, and have not been able to make my mind up. The Ultron was tempting, but was a bit long and is now getting hard to find. I keep getting put off by the barrel distortion and (reports of) focus shift of the f1.4. The f1.2 Nokton is way too big. The f2.5 Color Skopar Classic is close, but also getting hard to find.

What I want, but can't afford, is a 35mm Summicron ASPH - compact, focus tab, sensible max aperture, very good resolution and distortion. I can't help feeling that the Nokton 1.4 was a step too far with its extra stop. If Cosina was to take that basic idea, change it to f2, and sort out the issues that are reported so often, I think they'd be onto a winner.

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Agree Nomad, though f/1.8 would be preferable if it can be done - if not, you are right that f/2 would be fine.
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Could Cosina do something like the 28-35-50 Tri-Elmar?
What about just two positions? Perhaps simpler/cheaper design and better IQ... Maybe it's possible to make a small 35-50 or 28-50 f/2.5 or around... I'd buy two for my two daily sun and shadows/overcast bodies...

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I just want CV lenses to be back in CHROME!!!!!!!!!!
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I'd like a reasonably fast lens in an intermediate length between 50mm and 75mm. Call it 60mm.
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I just want CV lenses to be back in CHROME!!!!!!!!!!
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Since getting my M2 last year I really have a 'thing' for chrome lenses......
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Is this thread still up?

Ok then. Since my Nikon D70 and its cropped sensor I have been yearning for small, fast primes geared towards 1.5 crop sensors.

Currenty I own a Nikon D200 with 20, 28, 35, 40, 85, 135 and 180 primes in several flavours, all full frame. I also have a Leica M2 with 25, 35, 50 and 90mm lenses.

ALL of these lenses work on my Sony NEX-3 (with adapters).

But still, I don't have a decent fast wide angle. An 18mm lens would be nice here.

My fast 28 Sigma isn't all that good, and rather bulky. A good 28 (becomes a 42 on the D200 and NEX-3) would be great.

There is nothing in my arsenal that would be a 90mm equivalent on the D200 and NEX. Of course they would mean a 60mm.

With an 18, 28 and 60 combo I would be able to cover 95% of all my photography. And if these lenses would exist in F-mount, they would work on the NEX as well.
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Nokton f1.2/35mm in the Canikon Reflex mount would be nice.
I would buy one
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There is nothing in my arsenal that would be a 90mm equivalent on the D200 and NEX. Of course they would mean a 60mm. [...] And if these lenses would exist in F-mount, they would work on the NEX as well.
Cosina/Voigtländer makes a 58/f1.4 SL II in Nikon F mount that comes pretty close to what you want. It's also chipped so that it works on other Nikons as well. $409 at Cameraquest.
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Cosina/Voigtländer makes a 58/f1.4 SL II in Nikon F mount that comes pretty close to what you want. It's also chipped so that it works on other Nikons as well. $409 at Cameraquest.

I completely forgot about that one. It surely is tempting... My CV 40mm f2 is outstanding so this 58mm would be... nice.
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I want a CV version of the perar super triplet...
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Ok then. Since my Nikon D70 and its cropped sensor I have been yearning for small, fast primes geared towards 1.5 crop sensors.
I think a lot of people would love to see this. It's the main reason I've been slow to accept crop sensor digital formats.

Right now, I have enough overlap at the normal-tele ranges that I can use my existing lenses, but I'd definitely buy a 12 or 14mm for Sony NEX. I may consider a fast 24mm too. A coldshoe adapter for the NEX's flash socket thingy (so I can mount a viewfinder) would also be great.
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how about remaking the 28 3.5 color-skopar in a M mount (or even just bring back the LTM version) used copies of the discontinued lens are selling for more than they were when new so obviously the demand is there.... I am not the only one that wants one
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I'm another who would like a CV 28mm f3.5 in LTM again. I love to use my IIIc on vacations and this would be the perfect lens. Joe
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Since getting my M2 last year I really have a 'thing' for chrome lenses......
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I am hoping that the new CV35/1.2 has a limited edition in chrome so I can buy one.

I'll be waiting, and I'm holding off buying another 35.

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I'm another who would like a CV 28mm f3.5 in LTM again. I love to use my IIIc on vacations and this would be the perfect lens. Joe
Why not buy used then? I don't think they'd be less than $400 new these days if CV remade them.
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I don't think we can be too redundant in mentioning that the only current production RF 50mm lens produced with the Voigtlander name is the super Cyclops 1.1 Nokton. A standard 1.4 or 2.0ish 50mm seems like a no brainer, and much needed.
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Agreed. A small 50mm f/1.4 or 1.5 ASPH. Close focus 0.7m. Decent bokeh at the expense of wide-open sharpness if necessary. No focus shift.
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