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Old 02-05-2012   #81
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Oh boy Gandy has the Heliar 50/3.5, tempted.
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I just picked up a secondhand nickel f3.5 from Camera Exchange in Melbourne. It was one of a pair, with the f2. Paul was telling me that he was wondering how come no one had bought them as the price was good. I hemmed and hawed but it came down to the f3.5, as I already have a Summicron and I liked the idea of a collapsing lens. When I saw the test images I was shooting in the LCD I was immediately in love.

The aperture ring is not as firm as on other lenses, but the focusing is beautifully damped and the workmanship is super. It collapses safely into my M9 (thank god) but I'll probably leave it extended most of the time.

Funnily, the person who had owned them had been on the phone to Paul as I walked in the door, talking about something unrelated. It turned out that he had bought them from Paul before, then sold them back to him after he got something else. Soon after that, a new f3.5 and f2 came in to the shop!

I have toys galore at the moment and I'm feeling rather spoiled. Must stop buying gear for a while and get out and use it!
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Archiver, I hope you'll enjoy your "new" lenses and get good use of them!
Here's the nickel Heliar 50mm f/3.5 on an adapter coded as an Elmar-M, shot on an M9. At least the photo shows a bit of bokeh, both near-side and far. Exposure was 1/25 at f/8

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I did a quickie comparison between the 3.5 Heliar and a bunch of other 50s. The Heliar and the Leica 50 Asph were the sharpest and had the best control of flare. But to be fair, most clean lenses will do pretty well by f:3.5. The trick is that the Heliar seems pretty close to maximum resolution wide open, which is impressive.

This is a 100% center crop of the 50 Asph of a coffee cup sitting on a window ledge. Note the effect of the sun hitting the edge of the cup.



Same cup, but with the Heliar, wide open:




Here's the full image, from the Summilux.



All pix on the Olympus E-P2 and a tripod. I think the Summilux has a liiiiitle more resolution/contrast (and of course it is open 2.5 stops wider). Still pretty impressive for a small batch specialty lens from C/V. Bravo Mr. K!
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Interesting comparison, Benjamin! They look similar, except that I might be seeing some red-green CA with the 'lux, around the far lip of the cup where there's a very high contrast edge... Is that line a bit greenish looking? No sign of that with the Heliar... And a bit more purple fringing with the Summilux, both on the cup handle and the windowsill highlight.
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Nice timing to see this thread resurrected. I have a nickel f2/50mm heliar on the way
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Recently got my 50/2, and really enjoying it! WOrkmanship is top-notch. This is one of the most beautiful looking lenses I've ever seen as well.

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Black collapsible M-mount 50mm f/2 Heliar

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Wow. I took the collapsible nickel f3.5 out for a spin today, and I am really impressed. No focusing errors, which means that anything out of focus is all my fault! It's very sharp at f3.5 and has a wonderful character that I find really pleasing. It is moderate in contrast and has a very 'organic' feeling. I don't know how how else to describe it.

Not sure how it compares with the ZM Sonnar or Summicron at f3.5, but as it stands I am very pleased with my purchase! I also love the vintage look, the novelty of a collapsible lens, and the smaller footprint when it is collapsed. I will do some tests with other lenses as time goes by.

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Great lens, enjoy. I currently use the 50mm f/2 but think about owning the 3.5 again some day.
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am having 3.5 as well, really like it as well, though its in storage box right now. my only complaint is hard to find lens caps, when one does not want to use the hood.


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my only complaint is hard to find lens caps, when one does not want to use the hood.
Since the hood was small... I would just unscrew the hood and cap and put the whole thing in my pocket.
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Since the hood was small... I would just unscrew the hood and cap and put the whole thing in my pocket.
there are moments when its nice to have the hood. but sometimes small cap would be better. but dont see myself parting from this lens ever
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I meant to say I just use the hood and the cap as my cap... I treat the whole combo as a lens cap when I don't need the cap (just unscrew the whole piece and put it in my pocket). However, I always thought the hood made it better ergonomically speaking (adjusting aperture).
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I am happy with filter and hood, but does the hood really reduce flare?
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there are moments when its nice to have the hood. but sometimes small cap would be better. but dont see myself parting from this lens ever btw. here's a set from Madrid shot with M8 and this lens.

. . . . . enjoyed the photographs from Madrid. Certainly a nice lens and would not mind having the opportunity to take one out for a stroll at some point in time. One never knows when GAS will strike . . . . .
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My two Nickel Heliars. Great lenses and they look good too. Performance is top notch
Old shot with Tuulikkis digital Lumix.
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My two Nickel Heliars. Great lenses and they look good too. Performance is top notch
Old shot with Tuulikkis digital Lumix.
I own a matching pair also. Mighty good looking I say. Also love the 3.5 for street. With its skinny lens barrel the focus is very fast. For me it adds a different kinda speed, even though its a slow lens.

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How does the rendering of the Heliar 50/3.5 compare to that of the CV Skopar 50/2.5? What would the Heliar provide in terms of optical performance that I'm not already getting from the Skopar?
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How does the rendering of the Heliar 50/3.5 compare to that of the CV Skopar 50/2.5? What would the Heliar provide in terms of optical performance that I'm not already getting from the Skopar?
Not a lot, simply because all modern 50mm lenses are fantastic.

The 50/3.5 is "the best" on paper though, with extraordinary resolution if your technique is good, and it combines that resolution with a gentle, rounded rendering that is very unlike the often brutal or harsh "edginess" of other modern lenses.

If you shoot ISO100 or 400 film, you'll practically never see this extra resolution, only the "character" of the Heliar, which is significantly different from other 50's indeed. If you shot on a tripod with Pan F or Adox CMS20, then the Heliar will reward you with medium-format-class image quality and beyond.

I would not pay $600 or $700 for a new Heliar 3.5, but I am very happy with mine that I got second-hand for half that (with one of those nasty little anniversary-edition Bessa camera bodies attached ).

Under the circumstances where I typically use this lens (hand-held, slow shutter speed) like the image below, the extra qualities of this lens is almost totally bogus.


Heliar 50/3.5, Kodak TMY400-2, Leica M3

This lens has the smoothest bokeh of any 50mm for small-format on the planet:


Heliar 50/3.5, Kodak TMY400-2, Leica M3
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I have the non-Nickel version of the two Heliar 50mm lenses. I like them both.
The "problem" is that there are many excellent 50mm lenses available.
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I have the non-Nickel version of the two Heliar 50mm lenses. I like them both.
The "problem" is that there are many excellent 50mm lenses available.
Yes and I'd like to have them all. LOL.
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I totally agree about the unique rendering, and about the situations in which the Heliar 3.5 will display its characteristics. I have to be shooting at close range in daylight or near a window to take advantage of how it renders. Indoors it makes the M9 jump to ISO 1600 or worse. Otherwise it is too slow and I ought to be using a faster 50. But the rendering is lovely and very organic, even on digital sensors like the M9 and GXR.
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For the connoisseur of out of focus rendering, the Heliar 50/3.5 remains completely unsurpassed in my opinion, even with the harshest of out-of-focus highlights:


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I am due to get mine in the mail Monday afternoon. These pics are getting me real excited. The only problem is that now I also want the 50/2 :-)
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My two Nickel Heliars. Great lenses and they look good too. Performance is top notch
Tom, does the f/2.0 version have any of the magic of the 3.5? Or do you feel the Heliar design was over-stretched to f/2.0? The f/3.5 has the most incredibly "solid", composed rendering - optically perfect, but with a tonal smoothness usually found in softer lenses.

How do you feel about the f/2.0 version?
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Tom....I did not know there was a BLACK F2 Heliar...as on Camera Quest site there is no mention that there is one ?? Would be nice to know, and ask Steven about that possibility.


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The f2 is collapsible - just as the m-mount one. We talked about this in Japan last March and Mr Kobayashi likes collapsibles. I had suggested that he make it as a rigid - but it would involve a redesign of the whole mount and subsequent higher price.
With my black one, I just leave it out and if I get one of Nickel ones - it would be left out too. I have the negfiles to prove that you can forget to pull it out and you get lot's of "bokeh" and not much else.
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There are black and chrome heliars that came with a body:

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Lens cap for the 50/3.5 without hood.
The top of a Tri-x film cannister works pretty well.
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Lens cap for the 50/3.5 without hood.
The top of a Tri-x film cannister works pretty well.
am still using my lens. correct size cap was easy find from wonderland of eBay. I think it was for small video camera or such.
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P.S. If you want to be snobby about it, you can slip a Leica lens cap over the Tri-X cannister top.
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I have the original CV Heliar Classic 50/2. Love it.
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My CV Heliar Classic 50/2 came with the R3M body. I am using it a lot...both on 35mm rangefinders and on my Epsons. It gives a bit of a 'classic' black and white feel.
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(Heliar 50mm f/3.5 wide open, Leica M3, Kodak TMY400-2)
I do not want to spoil the party, but this picture shows a lot of distortion.

A lens with distortion that is sharp I can get anywhere.

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I do not want to spoil the party, but this picture shows a lot of distortion.

A lens with distortion that is sharp I can get anywhere.

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where is the distortion?

if the camera back is not exactly at right angles to the tiles...
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where is the distortion?

if the camera back is not exactly at right angles to the tiles...

I agree. It's also why the photo does not work for me. It needs to either be lined up perfectly (hard to do if grabbing a shot), or be deliberately askew.
When the composition is in-between with all those horizontal and vertical lines, it just looks off.
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where is the distortion?

if the camera back is not exactly at right angles to the tiles...
No, when a line is straight, a lens should draw it straight, regardless the angle to it.

The line between the tiles at the bottom of the picture is curved on the picture. I presume that the line in reality is straight, so the lens must draw it straight, but it draws it curved. That is wrong in my eyes.

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