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Old 11-11-2017   #81
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I have been thinking about this lens for a couple years and finally bit the bullet and ordered one from The Photo Village. They seem to have almost a continuous supply of used one's listed for $680 to $745.

I also have the latest version of the 50 Summicron so I will be giving the two a good comparison but from rereading this thread, it seems to be almost as good as the standard 50 Summicron.

I purchased a mint MP240 in January so am excited to see how it works on the new digital. Honestly, I purchased it for my daughter's wedding at the end of May. I also have the first version of the 35f1.2 so I think I am covered.
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Guys, Can some confirm if the updated the f1.1 Nokton. If so, is it just a cosmetic change?
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Guys, Can some confirm if the updated the f1.1 Nokton. If so, is it just a cosmetic change?
Afaik the Nokton 50mm f/1.1 is never updated. It is a great lens and has four advantages over the Leica Noctilux f/1: much sharper, no vignetting, much lighter weight and a much lower price.

Announced by Cosina is a 50mm f/1.2 aspherical lens (not an update of the 50mm f/1.1 lens wich is not an aspherical lens).

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Afaik the Nokton 50mm f/1.1 is never updated. It is a great lens and has four advantages over the Leica Noctilux f/1: much sharper, no vignetting, much lighter weight and a much lower price.

Announced by Cosina is a 50mm f/1.2 aspherical lens (not an update of the 50mm f/1.1 lens wich is not an aspherical lens).

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Robert White is advertising a new improved Nockton f/1.1.

https://www.robertwhite.co.uk/optics...kton-lens.html
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Robert White is advertising a new improved Nockton f/1.1.

https://www.robertwhite.co.uk/optics...kton-lens.html
There is no new Voigtlander 50mm f1.1 Nokton VM lens.

What are you talking about?

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There is no new Voigtlander 50mm f1.1 Nokton VM lens.

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Hi Mike

I don`t know …. just read the thread about is there or is there not (post 85) and decided to look for myself only to see Robert White describing a new improved Nockton as per attached link.

Clearly this fails to clarify the issue.

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A suggestion for those of you that are fighting the slippery focus ring, wrap a medium size rubber band around it. This provides s different tactile feel when moving from the aperture ring and solves the "slippery" problem
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the slippery focus ring

The mountains on the "mountain and valley focus ring" of many Voigtländer lenses are knurled and the valleys are smooth. I think the ring would be better if the valleys were knurled and the mountains smooth, the reverse. After all, in the valleys the fingers push most.


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I have so much affection for the Voigtlander Nokton 50mm f1.1 lens; it's a dream come true for capturing dreams coming true.

I really do agree, Mike, it is absolutely a first class lens. I'm so happy with it.


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I think the bokeh of old one is better than the new f/1.2 version.
Seems between Sonnar & Noctilux f/1.
The new one bokeh's is smooth but lack of classical rendering.
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I don't think I will change my f/1.1 for an f/1.2. The f/1.1 seems to be sharper @ f/1.1 than the f/1.2 @ f/1.2.


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I don't think I will change my f/1.1 for an f/1.2. The f/1.1 seems to be sharper @ f/1.1 than the f/1.2 @ f/1.2.


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Maybe, just one thing of new f/1.2 has better: .70cm minimum focus.
For portrait/isolation can be worthwhile.
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Maybe, just one thing of new f/1.2 has better: .70cm minimum focus.
For portrait/isolation can be worthwhile.
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Yes, and no. At 0.70cm the dept of field of a 50mm f/1.1 lens is very thin, maybe too thin. The picture will be almost completely blurred.


I love Mikes photo's here that show the incredible sharpness of this lens and also its incredible bokeh.


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Yes, and no. At 0.70cm the dept of field of a 50mm f/1.1 lens is very thin, maybe too thin. The picture will be almost completely blurred.


I love Mikes photo's here that show the incredible sharpness of this lens and also its incredible bokeh.


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Stunning sharpness. In the second picture, on black background show an yellow bubble with aperture blades at the borders. Remember me an your post on similarly picture, that at f/2 did show the same behavior:

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...t=76156&page=3

"I do not very much like the sharpness of the confusion-circle of the specular highlight in the out of focus background. The confusioncircle must be unsharp because the sharpness contredicts the feeling of dept. Also the clearly shown aperture blades at the borders of the specular highlight are ugly."

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Stunning sharpness. In the second picture, on black background show an yellow bubble with aperture blades at the borders. Remember me an your post on similarly picture, that at f/2 did show the same behavior:

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...t=76156&page=3

"I do not very much like the sharpness of the confusion-circle of the specular highlight in the out of focus background. The confusioncircle must be unsharp because the sharpness contredicts the feeling of dept. Also the clearly shown aperture blades at the borders of the specular highlight are ugly."

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Yes, that was ten years ago. I still think that in situations like this full aperture is better. A sharp oval is less disturbing than ten sharp aperture blades. The problem with a rangefinder is that you can not see the effect in the viewfinder.

However, most of the time the Nokton gives a beautiful image, better than the f/1 Noctilux with its unsharpness and black corners.

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Yes, that was ten years ago. I still think that in situations like this full aperture is better. A sharp oval is less disturbing than ten sharp aperture blades. The problem with a rangefinder is that you can not see the effect in the viewfinder.

However, most of the time the Nokton gives a beautiful image, better than the f/1 Noctilux with its unsharpness and black corners.

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Wow, time flies!
That photo of yours along with others I saved to enjoy sharpness and bokeh, whenever I like to see them. However, I was seeing the differences of bokeh with the Sonnar-C ZM 50 / 1.5 and scanning the photographs of others, I don't find the same effect; "square balls" to f / 2. For f / 2.8 is just mentioned and f / 4 you can see slight squaring. However, a side-by-side test should be made, to confirm or deny, however briefly, it would seem that Sonnar is less prone to this effect, which we don't like. As well as I did write, the f/1.2 new version, with its 12 blades, could be less prone to squared bubbles, lacking some such kind of classic behavior too.
In this link you can see the bokeh effect variation along the route of the Sonnar-C aperture values.
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I do not have experience with modern Sonnars, but quite a lot with the old Nikkors from the Nikon rangefinder era. These lenses (in fact copies of the old prewar Sonnar) are for me problematic: the 50mm f/2 has quite a lot of barrel distortion and the 50mm f/1.4 has unsharp corners at all apertures (but no distortion). Therefore I use on my rangefinder Nikons only the superb Voigtländer S Skopar 50mm f/2.5.


The Nokton 50mmf/1.1 is not a Sonnar-type, but a development of the Xenon/Summarit/Summilux v1 50mm lenses.


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I have a CV 50/1.1 too.

No Raid, I am sorry, I never tried that lens (Olympic/Millenium). Usually they are very expensive. If I am right, that lens is not a Sonnar type, but a Gauss type. I am not 100% sure of that. The formula of that lens is unknown (see the books by Robert Rotoloni).


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I do not have experience with modern Sonnars, but quite a lot with the old Nikkors from the Nikon rangefinder era. These lenses (in fact copies of the old prewar Sonnar) are for me problematic: the 50mm f/2 has quite a lot of barrel distortion and the 50mm f/1.4 has unsharp corners at all apertures (but no distortion). Therefore I use on my rangefinder Nikons only the superb Voigtländer S Skopar 50mm f/2.5.


The Nokton 50mmf/1.1 is not a Sonnar-type, but a development of the Xenon/Summarit/Summilux v1 50mm lenses.


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Sonnar design and its derivates. Has endogenous criticality, especially with focus shift.
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No Raid, I am sorry, I never tried that lens (Olympic/Millenium). Usually they are very expensive. If I am right, that lens is not a Sonnar type, but a Gauss type. I am not 100% sure of that. The formula of that lens is unknown (see the books by Robert Rotoloni).


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I bought it with a camera just to get the lens. Some have claimed it to be as "good" as a Summilux. It is as costly as a new CV lens. Not more.
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I bought it with a camera just to get the lens. Some have claimed it to be as "good" as a Summilux. It is as costly as a new CV lens. Not more.

I've not seen one for sale for a long time, but I must admit that I did not really look for it. I am very happy with the S Skopar 50mm F2.5 on my RF Nikons, not in the least because of the flat shade.

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I do not have experience with modern Sonnars, but quite a lot with the old Nikkors from the Nikon rangefinder era. These lenses (in fact copies of the old prewar Sonnar) are for me problematic: the 50mm f/2 has quite a lot of barrel distortion and the 50mm f/1.4 has unsharp corners at all apertures (but no distortion). Therefore I use on my rangefinder Nikons only the superb Voigtländer S Skopar 50mm f/2.5.


The Nokton 50mmf/1.1 is not a Sonnar-type, but a development of the Xenon/Summarit/Summilux v1 50mm lenses.


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.... Xenon/Summarit/Summilux v1... and Noctilux f/1

Continuing on the Bokeh theme. It is interesting to observe the differences in the blurred between the Sonnar version of Miyazaki and the Nokton f / 1.1, therefore a comparison between the two declensions, Sonnetar vs Nokton:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/179165...7635794527423/
My personal opinion only, is that the differences are very thin and ultimately given the difficult and expensive availability of the Sonnetar, the Nokton comes out as an excellent alternative without spending too much.
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Very interesting comparison. The Sonnetar sometimes produces those sharp onion rings in the background. The Nokton has a more "normal" rendition. This is how I see it.


Thank you Joseph!


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