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Old 10-07-2019   #121
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The VSCO ones are awful, even Fuji can't get it right with their film simulations in the X series cameras.

Fuji's "film simulations" are hilarious. In every case, they are 100% totally unrelated to the film that they are supposed to be simulating. At least Acros is a monochrome simulations. After that the similarity ends.
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Walking out of my local grocery store (Trader Joe's in Marina Del Rey - amazing location on the water!) a gentleman saw my film camera and approached me.
He then proceeded to ask me what was going on, is film coming back? Because he had just been to Disneyland and was shocked to see so many people with film cameras.
"Some of the photographers were as young as 12!"

Cool to hear!

Now back to your regular programming.
Yes, Huss, that is cool to hear.

For awhile it was quite common in Yokohama to see young girls out shooting with TLR cameras, there'd usually be a group of them. They'd be laughing, and taking pictures of each other - they were having good fun.

Recently I don't see so many TLRs but there are always some SLRs and RFs hanging around somebody's neck. It's always nice to see.

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Fuji's "film simulations" are hilarious. In every case, they are 100% totally unrelated to the film that they are supposed to be simulating. At least Acros is a monochrome simulations. After that the similarity ends.
You're the first person I've heard from who doesn't (seem to) like Fuji's film simulations.
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You're the first person I've heard from who doesn't (seem to) like Fuji's film simulations.

It's real simple, they just aren't accurate. The digital "Velvia" is god awful. The real Velvia is a beautiful if overly saturated film. The film simulation looks painful it is so yellow.


Astia is laughable as it has higher contrast that Provia, the direct opposite of the real Astia compared to Provia. Astia was a low contrast film.



It's like Fujifilm didnt even try to mimic the real films.
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Since going back, in part, to film, where batteries last years, I completely forget to charge my digital cameras. I can't overemphasize how nice it feels not to have to charge a camera.
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Since going back, in part, to film, where batteries last years, I completely forget to charge my digital cameras. I can't overemphasize how nice it feels not to have to charge a camera.
Sometimes from my collection I choose to use a fully manual no-meter camera simply because I'm too lazy to fish out the proper silver-oxide / alkaline battery from my Box-O-Batteries in the Camera Room.

However, since lithium-ion batteries for digital cameras are so expensive, I don't let them fully discharge, as such cycling shortens their life. Instead, when they get to about 40% charge, recharge them even if you're not going to use the camera. Best to have two batteries so you can swap in a fully charged one while charging the other.

The battery in my D700 holds its charge for six months or more when not used; the X-Pro1 I let sit for six months, charged it, found my settings lost when I put the charged battery back in.
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I met at least 10 film photographers during my summer trip in Croatia, it was very funny!
We looked each other trying to see what kind of camera we were using, with a smile printed on faces 😁
I was always the older one (44)!!!
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I remember exactly how I went seriously and at my own for film in 2012.
Earlier on I was digitizing our film pictures from 2003 and later on. We quit from using film and only camera for family pictures in 2007. I looked at the grainy scan with unlimited colors variations and I started to dig information how to emulate film.
I downloaded 2GB of film emulsions patterns and was ready to learn how to photoshop it over digital image.
And then... I deleted it all and spend few years to learn how to develop and scan film at home.

I don't care how many and who likes film emulations here. Here is another emulation for you .
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Count me as thinking they're totally inaccurate and very badly implented, too. But to know that you'd actually have to experience the originals which for some (Astia) is sadly no longer possible.

The film simulations may look good in their own right. But since they're called "simulation" and not effect they're god awful.
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Count me as thinking they're totally inaccurate and very badly implented, too. But to know that you'd actually have to experience the originals which for some (Astia) is sadly no longer possible.

The film simulations may look good in their own right. But since they're called "simulation" and not effect they're god awful.
They're essentially the standard/neutral/portrait/vibrant/b&w profiles for jpg that every other digital camera has, but named after Fuji's film stocks instead.
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As reported, a young man with Exakta (and Weston meter) at a classic car event. The film chimpers are on my as yet undeveloped colour roll.

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Count me as thinking they're totally inaccurate and very badly implented, too. But to know that you'd actually have to experience the originals which for some (Astia) is sadly no longer possible.

The film simulations may look good in their own right. But since they're called "simulation" and not effect they're god awful.

I was able to buy a bulk load of Astia 220 just before the film became unobtainable. So I had a lot of experience with what Astia (and Provia) looked like when the Fuji film simulations appeared. I found it amazing that Fujifilm got it so wrong. It seems like something that if they tried, Fuji could get it right and make a very interesting feature out of their film history. But instead they just mailed it in and made film simulations that simulate nothing. A real shame.


What makes it worse is that the film simulations on the S5 Pro SLR are actually quite good. They do not simulate a particular Fuji product, but they do change the S5's images to look very much like film. I guess back then someone at Fujifilm gave a damn.
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I think one of the biggest mistakes in using digital is trying to emulate film. Let digital be digital and use film if you want a film look.
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I think one of the biggest mistakes in using digital is trying to emulate film. Let digital be digital and use film if you want a film look.

Agreed. I don't treat the film emulations on my PenF as emulations of film (!), but view them purely as do they look right for the image I'm trying to create.

FYI I love the mono options on the PenF.

But I digress.. Last Sunday I was at the weekly flea mkt on Melrose in LA. Now I admit that it is an artificially high film camera target area (because of the film camera vendors and the fact that some like to wear a film camera as part of their outfit). But. But. What was really entertaining was an interaction between a customer (a mom in her 30's with her pre-teen son) and a vendor.
Mom was looking at a Yashicamat and her reaction to the vendor's asking price was:
"I'm sorry I thought this was a Yashica not a Rolleiflex!"

I really really wanted to join into that conversation but kept my nosey self out of it!
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I had a meeting in Taos NM Monday. I stayed over and went to do some photography at the Taos Pueblo Tuesday. It's a pretty amazing place to shoot by the way.

Monday afternoon was walking around the town of Taos. I had my Minolta autocord and tripod. Outside of cellphones (not to discount cellphones, I did a scenic I'm real happy with using my iPhone on the way home) I saw one couple each with a better than average digicam. They came over to talk to me and asked Is that a Hasselblad?

This is the second time this has happened to me. It says MINOLTA on it. It has 2 lenses.

The next morning I was at the Pueblo a bit after 8 when they opened. The light was terrific. There were two guys shooting at this one spot already. I joined them. They were shooting digital, one guy said he had a Rollie 66 in the car with B/W in it. I told him he should get it!

So lets say 1.5 photographers using film? He had some but wasn't using it.

By the time I left there were at least 100 people there taking tours. Again outside of phones I saw maybe 10 digits (one woman had 2 around her neck) and no film cameras.

So I was the only one shooting film and one guy had a film camera in the car.

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Mom was looking at a Yashicamat and her reaction to the vendor's asking price was:
"I'm sorry I thought this was a Yashica not a Rolleiflex!"

I really really wanted to join into that conversation but kept my nosey self out of it!
Haha, Mom did her research! Good for her.
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By the time I left there were at least 100 people there taking tours. Again outside of phones I saw maybe 10 digits (one woman had 2 around her neck) and no film cameras.

So I was the only one shooting film and one guy had a film camera in the car.

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What would u say was the avg age of those people taking the tour?
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Middle aged to upper middle aged (like me) . I was surprised to see so many people there during the week in "off" season. Not millennial snapping pics with their phones
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In the small seaside resort three miles from where I live you`ll see plenty of the disposable small film cameras in use in the summer months.
The high street processing lab is therefore reasonably busy.
They stock Kodak Gold .
Most of the users are in their eighties .
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It's a waste of time for me to not have instant feedback at these kinds of events now that it is available. Why bother with film? There's no advantage to it.

I was shooting these events with film since the late 1960s. I'd never go back to that now that I have good digital capture that is *far far* more flexible and higher quality for this kind of shooting.

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Film is wonderful. Film is so wonderful that I cannot bring myself to shoot digital (I hate it).
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In the small seaside resort three miles from where I live you`ll see plenty of the disposable small film cameras in use in the summer months. The high street processing lab is therefore reasonably busy. They stock Kodak Gold. Most of the users are in their eighties.
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Middle aged to upper middle aged (like me) . I was surprised to see so many people there during the week in "off" season. Not millennial snapping pics with their phones
I think u answered ur question. Retired people taking midweek tours. Definitely not the film crowd who now are leaning much much younger and quite frankly wouldnt be there. Unless they are still of the age that they have to go along w their parents.
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Sorry to spoil your fun, but :

Leica told me Film is dead!

Had my MP for repair in Wetzlar early this year, with a bit phone chatting about the details and at some time the young woman at the Leica CS said:
"... why not quit the repair of the MP and get a digital M instead, no one uses film anymore ..."

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Sorry to spoil your fun, but :

Leica told me Film is dead!

Had my MP for repair in Wetzlar early this year, with a bit phone chatting about the details and at some time the young woman at the Leica CS said:
"... why not quit the repair of the MP and get a digital M instead, no one uses film anymore ..."

As the older workers get displaced, I wonder if this younger crowd understands Leicas film camera legacy...
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As the older workers get displaced, I wonder if this younger crowd understands Leicas film camera legacy...
at least this person apparently not ...
but she probably just did what she was supposed to .... trying to sell something
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I've got to grab a 5 Pack of Kodak TMX tomorrow for a short trip.

From what I see, the prevalence seems to be more regional and the commitment varies.

However, there has been a lot of interest lately in our local camera club+community darkroom. Both from younger folks and middle age people going into it again. In open darkroom events they do come to visit and try. Not all of them stick, but this year there were more memberships.

As of parts and repair, there was this young repairman (PPP repairs IIRC) who was interviewed in Negative Feedback, a quite popular Youtube channel that features film photography. He's in his early 20s and has been reverse engineering repairs of some electronic models that are nowadays mostly write-offs and he was also researching ways of manufacturing custom parts.
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Letting the side down, each had a Pentax K1000 but at the end of each shot of a car competing, they synchro chimped in perfect timing...

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Letting the side down, each had a Pentax K1000 but at the end of each shot of a car competing, they synchro chimped in perfect timing...
Very nice, the best of both worlds.
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From what I see, the prevalence seems to be more regional and the commitment varies.
This would not surprise me. If I had to guess, film use is likely growing in areas where there are higher concentrations of young creative types around. The more involved and time consuming aspect of using film that is seen as a downside by professional photographers is actually enticing to others who are looking for something different from their photography experience.

There is likely a fair bit of overlap between those using film cameras and the crowd that is enjoying the use of turntables and listening to vinyl records, many of them for the first time.
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Very nice, the best of both worlds.
Yeah I’m cool with that. Tools for the job.
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Sorry to spoil your fun, but :

Leica told me Film is dead!

Had my MP for repair in Wetzlar early this year, with a bit phone chatting about the details and at some time the young woman at the Leica CS said:
"... why not quit the repair of the MP and get a digital M instead, no one uses film anymore ..."

Oddly, a number of working photographers I know personally shoot film.
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Oddly, a number of working photographers I know personally shoot film.
Right, but to be honest, it's just a niche in a niche. And probably not a very profitable business for Leica.
It is just a bit uncomfortable, if one is treated as an unreasonable stubborn by the Leica CS. Thats all, and it doesn't hurts me much....
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Sorry to spoil your fun, but :

Leica told me Film is dead!

Had my MP for repair in Wetzlar early this year, with a bit phone chatting about the details and at some time the young woman at the Leica CS said:
"... why not quit the repair of the MP and get a digital M instead, no one uses film anymore ..."

An employee with no knowledge. Period.
Leica just two weeks ago had a public event at their headquarter ("Leica Experience days") which focussed purely on classic film photography. No digital at all there, only film. A friend of mine visited this event, and he said it was a good success with hundreds of visitors.
Leica said the demand for the film MP and M-A have been up by +20% in the last 12 months. The instant film Leica Sofort is their best selling model since its introduction.
Some other manufacturers have also been there, like JOBO and Kodak. And presentations were held by independent market experts. All reported increasing demand for film. Kodak even said that they have difficulties in keeping up with demand, with the need to meanwhile run their 35mm film finishing at full capacity.

All that is confirmed by my main distributors and local labs: They have partly problems as well to satisfy the increasing demand. Often the wholesalers are sold out of certain film types. It needs weeks, sometimes even months to stock up again. And if you look at instagram, film photography is booming there. E.g. Kodak has about 2,000 new subscribers on their instagram account every day!
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There is likely a fair bit of overlap between those using film cameras and the crowd that is
enjoying the use of turntables and listening to vinyl records, many of them for the first time.
When push comes to shove they're using the chimpable camera.
Those K1000s are probably mostly for show.

The new turntables popular now are either very poor quality
or are extremely inconvenient to use.
I suspect the same applies.

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I'd say the ratio I saw of Chimping to Pentaxing was about 100:1. But then, shooting moving cars with film is not particularly rewarding (I have tried so many times) and with a 50mm in that spot they wouldn't be getting much car...

I am delighted to see the revival of film, albeit as part of a sociological phenomenon, but I really could do without the youtube videos accompanied by mellow vinyl soundtracks with the crackle and pop of static and dust. As to the trend for showing film images complete with dust spots and water marks, that is one of my real triggers...
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I have just returned from three weeks in Northern Italy. Spent a few days in Venice, then drove and stayed at four of the beautiful lakes the rest of the vacation. During the entire time I saw only one film camera in use, it was a chrome Leica M6. I also have the same camera but have stopped using 35mm film now. Anyhow, I had a Hasselblad SWC/M a Rolleiflex 3.5F and my late Fathers Zeiss Super Ikonta 513/2 In total I used 16 rolls of film.
I travel abroad at least once a year and at least twice around this great country of mine and on most vacations, never see a single film camera.
I do get asked often “can you still get film for those cameras” I have recently noticed a decline on this website of postings from medium format film users. If I could figure out how to post some of my better images I would but for some reason every attempt has been a failure.
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A friend of mine visited this event, and he said it was a good success with hundreds of visitors.

Was it Jan?
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The new turntables popular now are either very poor quality or are extremely inconvenient to use.
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The ones you mostly see in stores are. But some, for example, audio-technica AT-LP60 and -LP120 are high quality and convenient. I have the AT-LP120. It has a direct drive brushless motor. (no belts to wear out, motor won't wear out) High quality cartridge and tonearm. Pre-amp or non-pre-amped output.

Except for when I first drop the needle and occasionally when I play it really loudly, it sounds like CD quality. (I wish CDs would come back...)


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I'd say the ratio I saw of Chimping to Pentaxing was about 100:1. But then, shooting moving cars with film is not particularly rewarding (I have tried so many times) ...
Agreed! For motorsports, I'll go digital every time. Bursts are cheaper and faster and the instant feedback is quite useful.


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I am delighted to see the revival of film, albeit as part of a sociological phenomenon, but I really could do without the youtube videos accompanied by mellow vinyl soundtracks with the crackle and pop of static and dust. As to the trend for showing film images complete with dust spots and water marks, that is one of my real triggers...
Some of the young 'uns think the crackles and pops are part of the charm of records. They don't know otherwise. Also, most of the records are in poor shape and not getting better. Most of my records are pretty close to mint. (jackets are another story) Classical records tend to be a lot better cared-for than rock (careless kids) or jazz. (heroin users were not the most steady with tonearm handling...)
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