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Old 09-21-2019   #1
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Fujifilm X-Pro3 Thoughts?

Fujifilm gave a sneak peek of the X-Pro3 yesterday and the forum dwellers have lost their minds over the new design features (and not in a good way)... what do you guys think? Figured RFF might be more sympathetic to Fuji on this one...

https://petapixel.com/2019/09/20/fuj...lm-simulation/

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Old 09-21-2019   #2
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I love the rear LCD screen treatment. And WR body. And bigger, clearer viewfinder. The choice of a more durable finish is also cool.

Does anyone know how many MP it'll have?
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And if the official announcement is October 23, when do you think it'll actually be available for sale?
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Does anyone know how many MP it'll have?
Nope, no real tech specs yet. Hoping it isn't the 26mp sensor from the Xt-3/X-T30. It would be weird for this camera to get the same sensor the $899 X-T30 has. However, I'm not sure what else is available for them to use.
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And if the official announcement is October 23, when do you think it'll actually be available for sale?
Could be 2020 by the time they sell it... who knows.
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Well, it looks like Christmas will come early for me. I can't wait to get my hands on one.

The only question is what color to get? Black, DURA Black, or DURA Silver?

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New sims.

I actually love it.

Why did it take this long to replicate features the RD1 had from the start?

My opinion: Big step in the right direction.
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I have always been intrigued by the x-Pro system. However, I would prefer better support for manual focus. The 2nd generation of the camera made some progress in this direction and maybe version 3 we'll have some pleasant surprises in this regard.

I do like what they did with the screen and their emphasis on jpeg use.
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I knew we’d be a little more receptive to this camera than most other forums. I like it too. I would love to see them leave video off as well.
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As I am preparing to sell my Epson R-D1, having moved on to M8, M9 and soon M10, I see this announcement. This camera is truly the modern descendant of the Epson. Focus on film-like digital image quality, rangefinder-like viewing, no screen unless you want it. It's only missing the shutter winding lever which we really can do without. Sadly Fuji has stuck to their APC format ways...

* missed B-9's post above, I'm not the only one who sees the obvious!!
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An interesting concept which no doubt caters to the current fashion amongst youngsters for film photography. I am not condemning it by any means having cut my teeth on film cameras I can see some nostalgic attraction in this approach myself though it is admittedly gimmicky. And of course needless to say Leica has already tapped into the same kind of market but at the top end of the market. Though I should say I particularly like the Fuji approach of having a hidden LCD for when you really need it and cannot resist your inner chimp. I cannot say I would like to ahve no LCD for viewing at all. But I certainly do not mind having a "hidden" one as they refer to it.

My one worry is whether Fuji will go, if not the way of Leica in this regard , at least go the way Nikon went with their Df. That is to say for nostalgia you have to pay big time. If so that will cut many hipsters out.
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A winning design for me. I'd be all over it if I wasn't such a heavy M user.
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A guy I follow on insta posted a pic today of him shooting with it in Hanoi. So, it's already getting into some hands. He didn't really say anything about it, just a pic. Maybe he'll post some photos from it though, who knows.
If you're curious, his insta is @chuvietha.stp

And yes, I am intrigued by this design also.
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My one worry is whether Fuji will go, if not the way of Leica in this regard , at least go the way Nikon went with their Df. That is to say for nostalgia you have to pay.
I’m afraid of this too. Might be $2000+ for an Apsc camera. The titanium stuff just adds to it unnecessarily for my needs / wants.
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Not compelling enough for me to buy; my X-Pro1 is good enough.

Any photographer can choose to turn off or not look at the LCD while shooting. On mine, there's a two second (?) preview in the viewfinder of my shot as long as I hold the release down.

I wish Fuji had improved their menu interface, added a "save/recall all settings set of custom selections (C1, C2, etc.), and perhaps ensured better ergonomics and placement of controls on the rear of the camera.
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I’m fairly critical of the LCD. I personally think it was a bad decision. Maybe I’m wrong. I’ll stick with my MP240 or Xpro2 for now. They work just fine for my purposes. I guess it will come down to price point for me and if it’s enough of an improvement to sell one or both my other cameras.
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Interesting arrangement of lcd. But why not leave it out completely, if chimping is so bad. That space could have been used otherwise, or thin body a bit (?)
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Interesting arrangement of lcd. But why not leave it out completely, if chimping is so bad. That space could have been used otherwise, or thin body a bit (?)
Or an improved battery! Honestly, imho the xpro2 had 2 major issues working against it aside from the usual sensor/viewfinder upgrades we come to expect for new releases. The 2 major issues were
1. BATTERY LIFE (my canon 6d and Leica mp240 spoiled me)
2. Diopter. Whoever decided to put that there with no lock must have been drinking heavily.
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If anything, this LCD design makes me appreciate the X Pro 2 more, and from a legacy point of view, meaning I like the improvements from what I see. I certainly look forward to see what they do sensor-wise. I agree that a new sensor is in order for this model as X Pro was flagship for Fujifilm. Of course having an improved finder is also welcome.

And at least they aren't calling this X Pro 3-D
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I like it. The fold down LCD means you can chimp if you must. Don’t have any exposure to the Fujufilm ecosystem but it has often been tempting...
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The silver might get me to buy in but I doubt it. I don't have viewfinder problems with my XP1, if I don't want to chimp I can just turn off the rear screen, I have the X-E3 for the newer sensor and processor. Damn, I really like that silver.
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Interesting arrangement of lcd. But why not leave it out completely, if chimping is so bad. That space could have been used otherwise, or thin body a bit (?)
They would have lost too many potential customers by doing that. Their solution (which admittedly is kind of a solution to a non existent problem given people can choose to turn off their LCD or just choose not chimp) is innovative and new so will undoubtedly attract some people. I rather like it myself though I doubt I will get into yet another system by buying one.
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The hidden LCD (no need for it) and titanium (unnecessary expense) seem like missteps. Dare I say gimmicky; X pro 3 becoming niche within a niche... of itself? And it will probably have the 26MP sensor... If I had the X pro 2 I would cradle it with love because it may have to last forever.
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Perhaps they have nothing else to offer in regards to a true specs upgrade so they had to go this route. I’m a fan still... but it could be the case.
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Only thing I don't like is how the LCD hinges at the bottom. I'd prefer it if it was fully-articulated. The hinge can be pretty slim nowadays, like the Canon R.



But the small status LCD is cool!
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The gem for the x pro is the hybrid viewfinder. Improvements/ refinements/ further innovations in this area are welcomed. Dropping video wouldn't be a bad idea. If you could flip the LCD over would be better. Titanium is classic ( by classic I mean the 1990's) added "value" in that the price goes up but functionality is the same. Sure, it doesn't corrode. Then why the dura finishes? The quiet engineers who came up with the x pro have been noticed by the bean counters, and subsequently, the marketers. Carbon fiber infused with graphene would more interesting.
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I love it! I hope this new version of their vf does not give me motion sickness. It’s what has kept me off Fuji digicams.
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Excellent! I won't have to stick masking tape on the bottom now....

While it has a hint of a gimmick about it, actually to me the ISO info is wonderful to be able to see at a glance, ditto which simulation.

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They keep taking away buttons and I keep losing another upgrade path from my X-Pro2. The rest is pretty meaningless except for the improved VF.
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The fold-down screen seems extremely fragile to me. I chimp often when shooting and I can see the mechanism getting excess wear or being whacked by something during the process of reviewing images. It looks like a design feature that has less to do with function than something new and unique.

When the X-T1 with the tilt screen came along I thought I would use it a lot but in reality I seldom used it at all. But at least the tilt screen is tucked tight against the camera so it doesn't get beat up.

The wider view of the OVF sounds great. Right now I have to use the EVF for the 16mm and the 14mm lenses. Which is okay but I really like using the OVF better except indoors or under low light.

New colors and body material means nothing to me. Sure the finish might be a little more durable and the camera might be a little lighter but we're talking about a light, tough camera already. It's just cosmetic, IMO.

The changes in buttons is also somewhat troubling. Thom Hogan on his site has talked about Nikon "moving my cheese" on each succeeding model. Seems like a common occurrence these days with new cameras having new controls.

I suspend judgement until I see more about the camera from actual users--not online reviewers who go ga-ga over every new piece of gear that comes out.
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There is a reason the X-T3 remains little changed from the X-T2. It's for people who'd like to have it all...

I love the way they decide to keep the X-T priced low for the general mass and try something bold with the inevitably more expensive and niche X-Pro.
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It looks brilliant to me. The screen is an interesting approach and I think will be good to work with and I'm a sucker for anything titanium. Apparently both the EVF and OVF will be bigger and have better optics so that will be amazing. I've always hated the D-pad so I'm glad that's gone. I'll likely pick one up.

I'm glad they've taken a chance on this one.
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Have never used the XPro series but I have owned a couple versions of the X100 and love that camera. It looks to me like they have a winner, especially for those who like the optical viewfinder which is what keeps me coming back to Leica since 1974. If I did not have a slew of M mount lenses, the XPro3 would be given very serious consideration.

And we see a lot of features of what the next generation of the X100 will have.
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And we see a lot of features of what the next generation of the X100 will have.
Which is unfortunate because I'd also lose an upgrade path for my X100F. I can understand removing buttons to save money on a lower-priced model like the X-E3, but doing so on enthusiasts' cameras is stupid.
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A lot of interesting stuff going on here, but I’m genuinely stumped by the screen design...

Any body with a side-hinged articulated screen is ‘hidden’ when folded away (which is how my Pen F lives 95% of the time), but this implementation seems seriously flawed when you actually want to use the screen. Do you really have to have it dangling off the bottom of the camera if you want to use it flat?

I can’t help but think that Fuji have seriously undermined usability in pursuit of a design ethic.
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There is a reason the X-T3 remains little changed from the X-T2. It's for people who'd like to have it all...
Exactly. I really hate fully articulating screens, huge grips, current focus on video modes, etc. BUT I like autofocus, rangefinder shaped cameras, and a less is more approach to cameras. The joystick takes the place of the d-pad. I use the X-E3 already so I'm used to that. I'm not the type that changes menu settings constantly. Shutter speed and aperture are obviously the key things to be changed and Fuji's implementation is classic.

I love the X-Pro series and like the 3 so far. Too many X-T users want to change the X-Pro to be more mainstream. I love that Fuji went the opposite direction. My thoughts are that the screen is only there for menu diving. Fuji should go all out and remove video functionality from the camera. It never really occurred to me that so many people who buy the X-Pro series rely on the LCD for shooting and chimping. You can chimp through the EVF too if you really need it. I applaud Fuji for doing this in these times of me too / safe cameras.
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I’m an extensive X-Pro2 user, it being the only camera I use for digital. The hidden LCD doesn’t appeal to me. The current fixed one is fine for my needs: on the rare times I chimp, it’s there when I need it, and it doesn’t require flipping down. This screen ‘improvement’ is bottom on my list of requirements.

The improved viewfinder, though, is welcome, and I’m hoping for the latest sensor, together with faster autofocus and processing.

Definitely what should be sorted as a matter of priority is the diopter eyesight adjustment; it should have a lock mechanism. I resort to using gaffer tape to stop it being moved. Another improvement would be a stiffer exposure compensation dial - but definitely no lock button! Also the menu accessibility should be given an overhaul and made simpler and easier to negotiate. The removal of D-pad is also retrograde: probably it is more to do with cutting manufacturing costs than improving user usage.

My other thought on the rear LCD is that it is yet more drain on the battery: to me it just seems a pretty pointless and unnecessary addition/gimmick.

Titanium? Not for me but no doubt the body will weigh slightly less than the standard. New coatings? Welcome as long as there’s no price premium. The current black model I use is pretty bombproof and is holding up well despite my use in all environments and weather - certainly it has held up better than my black paint Millennium M6.

This said, I reserve judgement until I get my hands on a X-Pro3; I might just be surprised how much I like it. Or not.

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Two screens instead of one. One of them is better just not to be where.
My main problem with FujiNoFilm is their nikonian choice of the focus scale. Renders entire system to useless for me...
I'd rather get Pan F with Oly 4/3 lenses, like 17 1.8. I could have it no screen and focus like Leica.
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I’m an extensive X-Pro2 user, it being the only camera I use for digital. The hidden LCD doesn’t appeal to me. The current fixed one is fine for my needs: on the rare times I chimp, it’s there when I need it, and it doesn’t require flipping down. This screen ‘improvement’ is bottom on my list of requirements.

The improved viewfinder, though, is welcome, and I’m hoping for the latest sensor, together with faster autofocus and processing.

Definitely what should be sorted as a matter of priority is the diopter eyesight adjustment; it should have a lock mechanism. I resort to using gaffer tape to stop it being moved. Another improvement would be a stiffer exposure compensation dial - but definitely no lock button! Also the menu accessibility should be given an overhaul and made simpler and easier to negotiate. The removal of D-pad is also retrograde: probably it is more to do with cutting manufacturing costs than improving user usage.

My other thought on the rear LCD is that it is yet more drain on the battery: to me it just seems a pretty pointless and unnecessary addition/gimmick.

Titanium? Not for me but no doubt the body will weigh slightly less than the standard. New coatings? Welcome as long as there’s no price premium. The current black model I use is pretty bombproof and is holding up well despite my use in all environments and weather - certainly it has held up better than my black paint Millennium M6.

This said, I reserve judgement until I get my hands on a X-Pro3; I might just be surprised how much I like it. Or not.

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And yes, remove the video capability.

Pretty much exactly my sentiments. I don’t use the LCD for “chimping” per se, but I tend to use it at the beginning of a new lighting scenario to fine tune the JPG shadow/highlight contrasts. I love using SOOC on my fuji and I think this impairs that ability. I suppose there could be an argument for using the EVF as a preview, but I pay premium for the OVF and prefer it. Plus, there’s a difference in final JPG output represented on the screen vs the EVF preview. IF they have improved the EVF so greatly that it is a perfect representation of the final output, I suppose that may work. Also, yes remove the video capability if they want a “purist” camera. Some of the statements made by fuji about this camera and it’s philosophy are at odds with each other I feel. I will of course reserve final judgement until I see some real world reviews and image examples. It’s strange that as I’ve gotten further in this hobby how sensitive I’ve become to a workflow that is seamless. Something so silly as tilting a screen down every time to do some basic things will likely annoy me over time.
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