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Old 09-13-2019   #41
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I need to somehow get a loaner SL for a week. Then I can try it out thoroughly, and then I can decide much better if I want the SL or the M10. Of course, it makes more sense then to also get a one week loaner M10 to try out! My dreams never end.
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Since the SL is about to be phased-out...one of your main concerns would include the sticker price of the current SL + M-mount adapter. Check around. Good luck, Peter
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I know of one person who has bought a beautiful looking [used] SL with M adapter for $3500. He may have been lucky to get such a set-up for such a cost.
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I need to somehow get a loaner SL for a week. Then I can try it out thoroughly, and then I can decide much better if I want the SL or the M10. Of course, it makes more sense then to also get a one week loaner M10 to try out! My dreams never end.
Raid,

I'm pretty sure if you stopped by a Leica Store you could borrow a SL for a few hours for free. Leica does this at Photoville where basically someone can try a M10 for two or so hours leaving a photo ID and a credit card.

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3,500 second-hand?
OTL,

Also realize that a while back Leica was offering "free" M-adapters with the purchase of a CL.

Used M-adapters to L-mount should be plentiful.

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I'm pretty sure if you stopped by a Leica Store you could borrow a SL for a few hours for free. Leica does this at Photoville where basically someone can try a M10 for two or so hours leaving a photo ID and a credit card.

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Thanks for your encouragement, Cal, but we have no Leica Store with SL cameras anywhere close by here in Pensacola.I will check again.
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3,500 second-hand?
Yes, but it may have been a lucky hit since the buyer also got the $500 adapter with it.
It was a used SL.
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Jeeze..thats a butt ugly camera...lol..
It looks like it could be in the Lego movie.
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Is it really necessary to buy the Leica M adapter (say), and pay $500? How about the cost of your SL adapters?
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Is it really necessary to buy the Leica M adapter (say), and pay $500? How about the cost of your SL adapters?
It is if you want to unlock the full set of feature compatibility of M lenses with the SL. I bought a non Leica M-L adapter and found that the camera could not set lens profiles, could not magnify the image in the VF etc etc

I would buy the genuine Leica adapter used. They are then discounted up to 50% off.
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So there you go. ...
Your picture doesn't look anything like the leaked photos. Is the thumbnail just your imagination or based on facts?

The design of the "leaked" images is ruined in my opinion by the protruding hot shoe. Other than that, I love the boxy industrial design, just like the good old Leicaflex.
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Is it really necessary to buy the Leica M adapter (say), and pay $500? How about the cost of your SL adapters?
Raid, I would recommend buying the Leica brand adapter. I have a handful of off-brand adapters for my SL and the quality is lacking in comparison. Also, the electronic functions are non-existent with off-brand adapters.

If you're on the fence about buying an SL, I can highly recommend buying one. I got mine a few months ago after sending in an M9 for sensor repair. It was a difficult transition, I've not focused an SLR style camera in decades, but it has been worth it. I am very happy with the prints I've made from this camera. The functions of the camera become second nature pretty quickly. The size was a big turn-off to me at first, but I've adapted to it.

For me the biggest benefit of this camera has been being able to use just about any lens without dealing with rangefinder coupling. I have adapters for Nikon, Olympus and Canon lenses and they work great. The 7Artisan lenses are particularly easy to use on the SL as you don't have to spend a Saturday evening adjusting the focus!

In short, if you're used to RFs, there is a learning curve with the SL, but it is not as daunting as I thought it would be. My M9 still gets used, but it is definitely being used a lot less these days.
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It is if you want to unlock the full set of feature compatibility of M lenses with the SL. I bought a non Leica M-L adapter and found that the camera could not set lens profiles, could not magnify the image in the VF etc etc

I would buy the genuine Leica adapter used. They are then discounted up to 50% off.
If I get an SL, I will get a Leica adapter for the zum lenses. I may get off brand adapters for non Leica lenses. I have many lenses.
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Raid, I would recommend buying the Leica brand adapter. I have a handful of off-brand adapters for my SL and the quality is lacking in comparison. Also, the electronic functions are non-existent with off-brand adapters.

If you're on the fence about buying an SL, I can highly recommend buying one. I got mine a few months ago after sending in an M9 for sensor repair. It was a difficult transition, I've not focused an SLR style camera in decades, but it has been worth it. I am very happy with the prints I've made from this camera. The functions of the camera become second nature pretty quickly. The size was a big turn-off to me at first, but I've adapted to it.

For me the biggest benefit of this camera has been being able to use just about any lens without dealing with rangefinder coupling. I have adapters for Nikon, Olympus and Canon lenses and they work great. The 7Artisan lenses are particularly easy to use on the SL as you don't have to spend a Saturday evening adjusting the focus!

In short, if you're used to RFs, there is a learning curve with the SL, but it is not as daunting as I thought it would be. My M9 still gets used, but it is definitely being used a lot less these days.
Thanks for your suggestions, Bob.
I will most likely get an SL.
The focusing is very easy with the EVF, and I have some excellent lenses in several camera mounts, so it is worth it.
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Raid,

I own the Leica M-L and Leica R-M adapters. For me stacking adapters allows the most flexibility.

I also own a Novaflex Nikon F-mount to "M" adapter that I use with my Noct-Nikkor where I'm able to utilize the Noctilux F1.2 Profile. Both the Noctilux F1.2 and Noct-Nikkor (58/1.2) have hand ground ASPH lenses so the Noctilux profile works rather well.

I would not call the Novaflex adapter a cheap adapter. It is very well made.

The great thing about the Leica adapters is how transparent they work. 6-Bit codes are read, and the camera even remembers the last lens mounted if not 6-bit coded.

To me the Leica lens profiles are a big thing.

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At Photoville Sunday I went to the Leica booth and borrowed an APO 35 Cron-L from my friend John Kreider the Leica Technical Specialist for the Leica "S" and SL.

The Jono Slack review of how APO provides enhanced sharpness and pop is no lie. What a lens.

The rendering has mucho depth and the OOF is also displays a great smoothness. In my files there is a lot of depth so that the images look like scultptures.

Had a two hour envelope to play around, using a credit card and a photo I.D. for collateral.

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New Leica Rumors suggest IBIS.

Suggested price 5,990 EURO (includes VAT).

Same sensor as the "Q" (47MP).

Magnesium body for lighter weight is welcomed.

What is the price in U.S. Dollars?

The 3 button back suggests the menues like my CL. This is a great thing. Simple and elegant.

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There are so many options here, Cal.
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Raid,

My SL is almost 5 years old, and it is still a great camera for me. When I can the SL2 will be purchased, but the original SL will be kept also.

There is a lot of versatility with mirrorless, especially if you own a lot of legacy glass.

I just recently bought an APO 35 Cron to go with my 50 Lux-L, so having two rigged cameras is good for me.

Lately I have been carrying both lenses with the SL in a bag. Weight is 12 pounds. Pretty much a very heavy kit.

Nothing like a M for compact and light weight.

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Latest Leica Rumor is that the release of the mucho long awaited SL2 will be November 6th.

Previously the date for the official announcement was end of September.

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These are good news! Then, we will hopefully see another drop in the selling prices for the SL. It seems that the SL has not kept its resale value as (say) an M10.
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These are good news! Then, we will hopefully see another drop in the selling prices for the SL. It seems that the SL has not kept its resale value as (say) an M10.
Raid,

How true.

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Leica AG is very aware of this fact, and it is "disappointing" in their view.
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After the SL2 is released, the SL's price will hopefully dip deeply. Then it will be worth getting with the M adapter.
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SL2 officially announced. Only $6k.

47 MP, IBIS, 4 GB buffer. The Maestro III processor looks to be speedy.

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WOW. The pixel shift ability allows for a simulated 187 MP file when using a tripod shot. Landscape shooters will be all over this. A crazy amount of detail.

The Maestro processor looks to be mucho speedy. 4 GB buffer.

5 axis IBIS. This changes the game.

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Saw a few reviews on youtube looks like a great camera and with that 35mm lens.
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Saw a few reviews on youtube looks like a great camera and with that 35mm lens.
Bob,

Seems like the long wait was worth it. I still love my SL, but the SL2 advanced things. Not a small increment.

What is not to love with an APO wide.

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New Leica Rumors suggest IBIS.

Suggested price 5,990 EURO (includes VAT).

Same sensor as the "Q" (47MP).

Magnesium body for lighter weight is welcomed.

What is the price in U.S. Dollars?

The 3 button back suggests the menues like my CL. This is a great thing. Simple and elegant.

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BHPhoto lists the SL2 at $5,995. Alternatively, a Fujifilm GFX 50R is $4,000, and a Nikon Z7 is $2,697.
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BHPhoto lists the SL2 at $5,995. Alternatively, a Fujifilm GFX 50R is $4,000, and a Nikon Z7 is $2,697.
Robert,

Thanks for the pricing. Cheap for a Leica. Not interested in the other cameras because I'm a SL owner and have the 35 APO Cron and 50 Lux which are wonderful lenses.

I think the SL2 will exploit this glass further.

My worries are a huge new printer to exploit the files and glass.

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What is then the "new used" SL price?
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SL2 officially announced. Only $6k.

47 MP, IBIS, 4 GB buffer. The Maestro III processor looks to be speedy.

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Hey Cal, do you recommend the SL2 to me to get?
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Thanks for the link.

Below is a 20 minute video link that was tagged onto yours that goes through the features.

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Hey Cal, do you recommend the SL2 to me to get?
Raid,

I can't answer that question for you.

This I know: The rear screen is about a quarter inch bigger and is of much higher resolution; while the M10 and SL has a Maestro II processor the SL2 has a Maestro III; The eye VF'er on the SL2 has double the amount of dots of a SL VF'er; there are two SD II card slots on the SL2 and only one SD II card slot and a second SD card slot.

Know that the SL2 in a way is even more like an IPAD. The touch functions are much more developed.

It seems the speed of the processor is mucho fast that it is a lot crazy. Can shoot twice as fast a frame rate than my SL, and know that these are bigger files.

Seems like the IBIS makes this a great rig for video. a 5 axis gyro for a "5 1/2" stop gain. Who needs high ISO?

Realize that about 3 years ago I borrowed a 24-90 zoom from Leica USA to cover NYC Fashion Week. This is not a fast prime and I used this lens for about 3 weeks before I returned it. One night I went into the bowels of the Bowel-reh and performed all these "circus shots" at 400 ISO with a disregard to IQ. Pretty much sloppy-sloppy shooting in low light under dark conditions.

When I download the files and looked on my EIZO I was stunned. Perfectly sharp images, some zoomed out at subjects across a dark street, at 1/10th and 1/13th second shutter speeds totally sharp.

Supposably the IS built into the lens was only good for 3 1/2 stops. Now there is 5 1/2 stops in camera with any lens. Like I said, "Who needs high ISO?"

Anyways for me it is a no brainer. Click the link I posted for a 20 minute tutorial on the features.

Also learned that Novaflex has a Nikon adapter that allows Nikon AF lenses to work on the SL2.

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This camera is clearly a rebadged Panasonic S1R, same tech specs all the way up and down as far as I can tell... can anyone tell me the difference between the cameras, other than about $3k? They mentioned something about sensor micro lenses that can better accommodate wide angle lenses and M-mount lenses? Is this feature unique to the SL2?
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The suggestion in this vid is that the new SL sensor is tweaked to better enable M glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMvMqGCHUSM
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The suggestion in this vid is that the new SL sensor is tweaked to better enable M glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMvMqGCHUSM
That was my main takeaway too. We'll have to see some direct comparisons to see if that claim holds water. Would be very interesting to see if the difference is striking enough to justify the premium.
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