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Stolen lens alert - Dan Zvereff's Canon 50mm .95 is on eBay
Old 04-05-2018   #1
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Stolen lens alert - Dan Zvereff's Canon 50mm .95 is on eBay

https://www.thephoblographer.com/201...at-its-stolen/

Fellow photographer Daniel Zvereff had his Canon .95 dream lens stolen in Mexico recently. It popped up on eBay earlier and is being sold by someone in Mexico known for peddling stolen camera equipment. Just wanting to make this aware to anyone on the forum who might have bid on this lens. I don't know if there is any way to get this back to him as eBay can't do anything at this point but flag the seller. If you know of a way, email Dan at [email protected].

The auction ends tonight and has plenty of bids, it's going to sell. The question is whether or not we can do anything to help get it back to him.

Admins, if this is in the wrong forum, feel free to move it. Cheers.
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Fairly easy to buy it. Open an item not described properly case after receiving it. Send back a brick and easy peasy you have your lens back and they get no money.
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Fairly easy to buy it. Open an item not described properly case after receiving it. Send back a brick and easy peasy you have your lens back and they get no money.
But if you have a card on file with eBay, how do you even begin to avoid the ****storm of the seller arguing that they sent back a brick? Unless you say "they sent me a brick, I want my money back". I imagine they'd just charge you the balance.
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In my experience as seller, Ebay always side with the buyer, soo....
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From what I see, people is bidding too high and wont pay, to slow down the sale.

(price is currently $20,100.00)

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If the original owner has the serial # and police report showing it stolen all he has to do
is buy it then show ebay it was stolen and get them to refund him. if they don't they can be charged w willfully trafficking stolen items.
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Or he can contact the police dept in Cupertino where eBay is based and show them the report and that eBay is aiding in selling his stolen property if they don't do anything.
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which ebay auction is it?
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It’s at 5800 with 2.5 hours remaining.
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Yes, I see this one. Thanks.
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Why isn't anyone posting something at ebay about it?
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this is pretty outrageous. I would be fuming as the seconds tick away with seemingly nothing to do.
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I'm getting angry just reading about this. There must be something the rightful owner can do!
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I tried to post something on the ebay "community" board, but I was told that I did not have such privileges.
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Dan is a very good friend of mine. I am going to show him this thread. Thanks a lot for starting this thread .
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$65,100 at auction end
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Well odd. $65,100 USD is very odd.

Does anyone know why such a crazy number? Could we suspect money laundering?
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It's quite simple, this story inspired a lot of people to shill bid up to a ridiculous number. They won't be paying for it obviously. Therefore it won't get "sold" on to someone else, further entangling the problem (a.k.a. who is left holding the bag).

My question here is whether the original owner had it insured and if he's already gotten compensation for the lens through their insurance. If so, probably best to just let it go.
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But if you have a card on file with eBay, how do you even begin to avoid the ****storm of the seller arguing that they sent back a brick? Unless you say "they sent me a brick, I want my money back". I imagine they'd just charge you the balance.
there is no mechanism in place for that. eBay refunds no matter what as long as the package is delivered back to the seller.
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Well, somebody kept covering the bid, except for a short period when it was at $668. I'm of the opinion that the "winner" is a shill for the fencer, and they had someone on the bait who just had to have that lens, thus the $100 winning margin.

It might go back up for bidding pretty soon, would be something to look out for.

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It's too bad it got press. He would have had an easier time getting it back if so many didn't engage in bidding it up.
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It's too bad it got press. He would have had an easier time getting it back if so many didn't engage in bidding it up.
Yep, all these postings and telling people to look out for the ebay listing messed things up for him. Whoever found the ebay listing should have just let him know. Then he could have won the auction with a normal price, received the lens, then showed the authorities how he got it back, that it was stolen (he did file a police report, no?) and get his money back.
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$65,100 at auction end
The conversion can be done by DAG for less than $1500
- the last quote I got from him.

At most another $1500 for the lens before conversion.

fake bids or some really uninformed bidders.
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A couple of years ago there was something similar with a stolen black M and summicron on eBay. The Metropolitan police was involved back then,
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I wonder why ebay were involved but not the police at an earlier stage...


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I wonder why ebay were involved but not the police at an earlier stage...
Exactly, if one is in a foreign country and becomes a crime victim, one shall immediately call the proper authorities, forememost of course one's own Consulate or Embassy. If one neglects to do so, how should a private company like Ebay be of any help?
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Yep, all these postings and telling people to look out for the ebay listing messed things up for him.
Why? I think that if the auction went off legitimate then there's a chance that a real buyer could have bought the lens and had it shipped off before ebay or the police could get involved.

At least this way the auction is for sure going to be a waste and it will possibly delay the exchange of the lens to another hand.

With the person in possession of the lens known right now I think it's their best chance of getting the lens back.
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Exactly, if one is in a foreign country and becomes a crime victim, one shall immediately call the proper authorities, forememost of course one's own Consulate or Embassy. If one neglects to do so, how should a private company like Ebay be of any help?
This happened during a stopover in Guadalajara, the night before he left. In turn, imagine waking up the next day with a $3000 lens stolen and who knows how many hours before he had to hop on a plane? No time to rush to the embassy/consulate or whatever. And it's common knowledge that the Mexican police are corrupt and considering that the seller is known for selling stolen goods and is mafia affiliated, I doubt the police would do anything for him had he turned to them for help.
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Dan is a very good friend of mine. I am going to show him this thread. Thanks a lot for starting this thread .
No problem, just trying to help out a fellow photographer. I don't know him personally, but was chatting back and forth with him yesterday trying to figure out what to do. Seems like a nice enough guy and the cause was good.


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It's too bad it got press. He would have had an easier time getting it back if so many didn't engage in bidding it up.
Man, I was honestly thinking the same thing. If he or someone he knew could buy it at a normal price and scam the seller out, he'd have his lens back. Now I worry that it's lost to the ether of stolen goods in Mexico and will not show up again now that the seller is likely aware of the situation. I can almost guarantee that it won't show up on eBay again, and if it does, the serial number will be obscured and the description won't be as detailed/easy to determine that it's his.

We'll see though. If anything, it was a nice gesture from the photography community to band together to help him out.
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This happened during a stopover in Guadalajara, the night before he left. In turn, imagine waking up the next day with a $3000 lens stolen and who knows how many hours before he had to hop on a plane? No time to rush to the embassy/consulate or whatever. And it's common knowledge that the Mexican police are corrupt and considering that the seller is known for selling stolen goods and is mafia affiliated, I doubt the police would do anything for him had he turned to them for help.
Duh, Prisencolinensinainciusol, alrite?
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Man, I was honestly thinking the same thing. If he or someone he knew could buy it at a normal price and scam the seller out, he'd have his lens back.
Would you risk it? This is likely to be a gang that steals day in and day out, and they will have your home address.
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Would you risk it? This is likely to be a gang that steals day in and day out, and they will have your home address.
That was the next thing that came to mind. No real winning here, I wouldn't be interested in any mafia having my home address.
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That was the next thing that came to mind. No real winning here, I wouldn't be interested in any mafia having my home address.


Maybe you should leave a police station address as yours : )


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