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Old 10-16-2018   #1
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I want to get software to do basic editing on photos, such as scratch/dust removal, exposure and sharpening. Which software handles this well? Is Capture One overkill for those things? I tried GIMP but I don't find it easy to use, whereas I have the trial upload of Capture One and it seems perfect, but very pricey and more than I probably need... I have also tried just the Windows built in photo editor but it does not handle scratches nicely (as far as I can tell).

Any help would be much appreciated. I basically want to do minimal editing to photos.
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Corel Paintshop Pro. Quite cheap (compared to others), optimized for photographers and fairly easy to learn and use but powerful. There are now also tutorials online. I have been using it for years.

It has a scratch removal tool, which I mention as this seems to be of concern to you. You click and drag a line along the scratch and the software heals it. Its pretty good too. And also a repair tool under makeover menu in the drop down list. This is like Adobe's healing tool and fixes small problems like dust without using the clone tool although that can be used too.

You can download a one month trial for free to see if you like it.

https://www.paintshoppro.com/en/page...SAAEgJ-OfD_BwE

The other option is Lightroom. You can probably still find it on eBay I think for the standalone version or you can pay by the month but I do not think that option is economical if you do not do much editing. It does all of the basics required by photographers quickly and easily. Including spot removal but not sure about how easy scratch removal works.
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Corel Paintshop Pro. Quite cheap (compared to others), optimized for photographers and fairly easy to learn and use but powerful. There are now also tutorials online. I have been using it for years.

It has a scratch removal tool, which I mention as this seems to be of concern to you. You click and drag a line along the scratch and the software heals it. Its pretty good too. And also a repair tool under makeover menu in the drop down list. This is like Adobe's healing tool and fixes small problems like dust without using the clone tool although that can be used too.

You can download a one month trial for free to see if you like it.

https://www.paintshoppro.com/en/page...SAAEgJ-OfD_BwE

The other option is Lightroom. You can probably still find it on eBay I think for the standalone version or you can pay by the month but I do not think that option is economical if you do not do much editing. It does all of the basics required by photographers quickly and easily. Including spot removal but not sure about how easy scratch removal works.
I will look into Corel Paintshop Pro, thanks
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I've had good luck with Photoshop Elements, one of the last remaining Adobe packages that doesn't require a subscription. I tend to update every 3 or 4 years, as I don't tend to use a lot of the features that are added to the annual updates. The 2019 version was just released.
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You might try one of the mfg editing packages like Canon DPP (download or from a photographer that uses Canon). Basic functions and you can scan your film as TIF. If multiple TIF file options experiment with your scanning software... e.g. Epson Scan has multiple TIF format options.
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Capture One is definitely overkill for your needs and very expensive. It sounds like you have a Windows computer, if you have a Mac the built in Photos program isn't bad. There are several inexpensive non-Adobe programs out there that you should trial: Luminar 2018 ($59)and Affinity Photo ($49). Both are actually quite powerful and inexpensive as this sort of software goes. You can always use them for just the few features you need. Both have free trials available.
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Thanks for your feedback thus far. I have another question. What I am doing is developing film myself and then using a reflecta RPS 10m to scan with silverfast ai studio 8 software. I have read before that people would scan for a flat negative in order to do adjustments in Photoshop or other software. But is it not possible for me to do everything required (seeing that I want to just do minimal adjustments and maybe scratch removal / sharpening) within Silverfast and then cut out the need for a photo editor? What is your experience with Silverfast? I should have outlined this all in my original post.
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I've had good luck with Photoshop Elements, one of the last remaining Adobe packages that doesn't require a subscription. I tend to update every 3 or 4 years, as I don't tend to use a lot of the features that are added to the annual updates. The 2019 version was just released.
As I recall, Corel Paintshop Pro which I mentioned below, is pretty similar in features and price to Photoshop Elements (though I think a little cheaper in price, least it was then).

A decade back I used to use PS Elements but when I was working away from home for a few months and did not have my installation disk I lost it due to a PC crash. In the event Corel had a price special on at the time so I bought that instead and have stuck with it ever since. Back then my view was that it was a little better than Elements as it had a few tools that worked better for photographers. But that was 9 years ago and I cannot say with exactitude what the comparison is now. But I would expect either to be good for what you need.
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Most scratch removal tools will affect the rest of the picture too.

Isn't it better -although time consuming- to remove the scratches manually with a clone/heal tool ? (I'm using gimp for that)

Never had any decent results with automatic processes in image editors.
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Most scratch removal tools will affect the rest of the picture too.

Isn't it better -although time consuming- to remove the scratches manually with a clone/heal tool ? (I'm using gimp for that)

Never had any decent results with automatic processes in image editors.
The Corel Paintshop Pro scratch tool is quite smart. You can specify the width of the line to be healed and then use the tool to get rid of the scratch by clicking and dragging the tool along the line of the scratch -no more is needed. I was surprised when I first used it at how good it is. It functions in"heal" mode rather than like a conventional clone too. In other words it dynamically assesses nearby pixels and selects suitable candidates to use to paste over the scratch to render it invisible against its immediate background. In this way you can go across various background images without having to consider what is "underneath" the scratch. The software that operates the tool does this for you. Very clever. And most times I found it to be spot on. So good in fact that I have occasionally used it instead of the clone tool when I am having difficulty matching the replacement pixels to a complex background.
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I also suggest checking out Paintshop Pro and Photoshop Elements. They'll do all you need; are reasonably priced; have long-standing and well-deserved reputations for features and reliability (both have been around for a decade and a half); and there's loads of tutorials, books and other help available.

Both are still probably a bit overkill for your needs - but better to have too many features and not need them than too few and need them! I use Capture One and think it's excellent but I feel it's too overspecified for what you want to do - but if you don't mind paying for it, the only downside is investing time to learn to use it.
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For Apple (OS X) Pixelmater is an inexpensive yet powerful platform.

Otherwise, as several others mentioned Otherwise Photoshop Elements 2018 ($80) or Paintshop Pro ($60) are available.
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Thanks for your feedback thus far. I have another question. What I am doing is developing film myself and then using a reflecta RPS 10m to scan with silverfast ai studio 8 software. I have read before that people would scan for a flat negative in order to do adjustments in Photoshop or other software. But is it not possible for me to do everything required (seeing that I want to just do minimal adjustments and maybe scratch removal / sharpening) within Silverfast and then cut out the need for a photo editor? What is your experience with Silverfast? I should have outlined this all in my original post.
https://www.silverfast.com/highlights/srdx/en.html

If you have the more advanced version of Silverfast, which it looks like you might, you can do dust and scratch removal using Silverfast alone, even on black and white negatives, which normal Digital ICE can’t do. You would need to study the information on the Silverfast site to understand how. Other adjustments to color, exposure and contrast can be done within Silverfast as well. There is more that can be done in something like Photoshop, but Silverfast is more than capable of doing “minimal adjustments”.
I wish I could teach myself to be satisfied with minimal or no adjustments. Then life would again offer all free time I had when I just went to the drugstore and picked up my package of prints, and that was that. You got what you got, either they “came out” or they didn’t, no more work needed on your part.
Good luck with your decision, it’s a slippery slope.
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https://www.silverfast.com/highlights/srdx/en.html

If you have the more advanced version of Silverfast, which it looks like you might, you can do dust and scratch removal using Silverfast alone, even on black and white negatives, which normal Digital ICE can’t do. You would need to study the information on the Silverfast site to understand how. Other adjustments to color, exposure and contrast can be done within Silverfast as well. There is more that can be done in something like Photoshop, but Silverfast is more than capable of doing “minimal adjustments”.
I wish I could teach myself to be satisfied with minimal or no adjustments. Then life would again offer all free time I had when I just went to the drugstore and picked up my package of prints, and that was that. You got what you got, either they “came out” or they didn’t, no more work needed on your part.
Good luck with your decision, it’s a slippery slope.
Hi Larry,

I think you have the best solution. I will try do everything in Silverfast Suite. The reason I never tried it like this is because I always thought that the dedicated photo editors were where one did adjustments and that any extra features scanning software offered would be as an after thought.

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Sounds like you use a Windows based computer. If so, I agree with giving Paintshop Pro a look. I used it years ago when I used Windows.

Also, I don't know if you can still download Picasa or not since Google stopped supporting it. If you can, it's a freebie that does some simple editing that might be all you need. I used to use it in conjunction with various camera maker's software.

And, of course, there's Lightroom if you can locate the standalone version.
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I own an older version from On One that I use as a plug in with photoshop.

This new version looks interesting. Looks like it runs on its own.

Maybe check it out and see if this is what you’re after.

https://www.on1.com/promo/0818-ads/?...SAAEgK98PD_BwE
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I use Photoshop CS 6, the stand alone version as I don’t wish to pay a subscription. I look forward to the upcoming release of Photoshop for the iPad. I have and use constantly, an iPad Pro 10.5 inch. Also 2 Mac Book Pros. I got my copy of Photoshop at Best Buy for $300! They were trying to placate me for problems their Geek Squad caused. I was very placated!

I bought the iPad Pro high end version for in the vicinity of $1200, to use with a $20 software program..Affinity Photo! LOL! But...I find that the program does almost everything Photoshop can do! Its just not as intuitively easy to use as Photoshop.

Tried Gimp, but couldn’t make heads or tails of it!

As for the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil...I use it constantly and the Mac Book Pros just sit there unless I need to use Photoshop.

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Corel Paintshop Pro 2019 is really good for dust and scratch removal as peterm1 said. It is a mature version with far less bugs. I use it also for my digital shots with the Topaz plug-ins.

Be aware that Corel always brings out the new version in august, so you can get the "old" version cheaper when the new version is announced.
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I miss Picasa. It did everything I needed it to do and absolutely smoked iPhoto/Apple Photos in speed, at least on my MacBook Airs.


Google no longer offers Picasa for download. It's available on several third party sites but I'm leery of downloading software from anyone besides its creator.
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I was in a similar position years a go. For film I used Epson Scan and then export to Adobe Elements. Very simple and effective. I always used the clone/stamp tool for dust/scratches; takes more time but works very well.


I believe Elements came free in a bundle (don't remember!) but when I switched to Mac in 2009 I bought the then latest version. Haven't upgraded since then. Works well enough for me and my simple needs.
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My PhotoShop CS4 crashes every time I try to open an image in it. I have read online that this is not uncommon and has something to do with the fonts files in it. Is there an easy fix for this ?
Can anyone recommend another program to invert images from negative to positive. I would like to scan using my DSLR. I have read that Aperture and Lightroom will not invert images. I am a Mac user. Thanks for any advice.
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Corel Paintshop Pro 2019 is really good for dust and scratch removal as peterm1 said. It is a mature version with far less bugs. I use it also for my digital shots with the Topaz plug-ins.

Be aware that Corel always brings out the new version in august, so you can get the "old" version cheaper when the new version is announced.


Corel has recently been offering its PSP 2020 product as stated in the above post and is throwing in its video editor all for the princely sum of $71 Australian (about $50 US). So this is an especially good deal if you use both still photography and video but cheap even if you do not.

I am not sure if this offer is open to all comers or only those who have existing copies of PSP but it is incredibly cheap and even without this deep discount the full list price a very good deal.

I already have the past three versions on my system (I left them on in case there were problems with the new version and never got around to taking them off even though no problems ever arose) so will most likely not upgrade this year even given the excellent deal, as I do not make enough videos for that to be tempting but will very likely upgrade PSP next year. The annual upgrades are good but usually are not so good as to offer a hugely compelling business case to upgrade for me (others may differ) , so missing a year is not much of a problem in practice - every couple of years seems about right for me.

These days I also typically run PSP under Adobe Lightroom more or less as a plugin. That way I can use Lightroom for the things it is good for - basic quick editing and then drop into PSP when I feel the need for to use one of its editing tools (like Layers, scratch removal tool etc ec ). This works well for me as it gives the best of both worlds.
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Can anyone recommend another program to invert images from negative to positive. I would like to scan using my DSLR. I have read that Aperture and Lightroom will not invert images. I am a Mac user. Thanks for any advice.
I'm not sure what is working and what is not on Apple.
I have old LR 4.4 which address OP and your needs. On regular, old PC with dedicated graphics card.
This is how reading on the internet works on my PC with Google Chrome:

search: how to create negative in LR (this is what I'm using LR for).
return: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eajmo8gRELI it is how to invert the negative in LR.
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I will take a look into this. May be what is needed. I just don't want to subscribe to the folks at Adobe.

Thanks for all advice.
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I was about to pull the trigger on the Adobe Elements 2019 when I read an Amazon review about it being full of spyware. It was written by a customer who installed it in his Mac computers. Now, I also own Macs and I'm not completely crazy about spyware. The reviewer recommended Gimp.

All in all, I have used Adobe Elements in previous versions (I think the 6 and the 9), and liked it. Do you recommend Gimp over Adobe Elements or the other way around? Is it true that Adobe is riddled with spyware? I still have the Adobe Elements 9 in my computers, and it works, but since I have Mojave in both I don't know for how long it will last, hence the need for something less incompatible.

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I was about to pull the trigger on the Adobe Elements 2019 when I read an Amazon review about it being full of spyware. It was written by a customer who installed it in his Mac computers. Now, I also own Macs and I'm not completely crazy about spyware. The reviewer recommended Gimp.

All in all, I have used Adobe Elements in previous versions (I think the 6 and the 9), and liked it. Do you recommend Gimp over Adobe Elements or the other way around? Is it true that Adobe is riddled with spyware? I still have the Adobe Elements 9 in my computers, and it works, but since I have Mojave in both I don't know for how long it will last, hence the need for something less incompatible.

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I cannot imagine real software from Adobe being full of spyware. More likely it seems to me that he bought a dodgy Elements clone online that had spyware embedded in the installer exe. It is not at all uncommon and in my silly earlier days I had this kind of experience myself. A safeguard is to make sure you have something like Norton installed which checks software before it allows it to be installed.
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I wonder whether he means the software sending info to adobe about your system, how you use the software "in the interests of product improvement".
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Give Affinity Photo a go. $50.00. I assume they offer atrial run.

https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/

Has a healing brush like Photoshop that works well.

I've been hoping to find program to replace Photoshop. I tried Affinity a while back and gave up. But the more recent versions are getting there. For the last month or more I rarely open Photoshop and can do what I want in Affinity. That's my sign that it may just be the answer to Adobe's subcription model.
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I love the results I’m getting from it, and the ease of use too!

DxO works very well for me for removing dust on plain backgrounds as long as you aren't close to other details. However, sometimes its heal tool will automatically clone things like nearby power lines or other details onto what should be a patch of empty sky, for example. And it doesn't have a clone tool to control the source of the replacement pixels so I have found it impossible to work around this problem.
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Thanks for your clarification, Peter. The Amazon reviewer claimed his software was trying to take control of certain applications in his computer and opening software he didn't even know he had, that said it was created in China or Turkey. I am familiar with the Adobe reports, and, in my experience, when you're running a Mac and something happens, it even gives you an option to send or not a report about the software performance.

In any event, for further info, I'm using an iMac and a MacBook, both with Mojave. My current copy of Photoshop Elements 9 still runs in both, and even though I use it to balance exposure and fix colors (occasionally, if I scan images, to clean dust or clone spots). With my digital shots it's very rarely used, but I tend to use it more with my lab scans.

I'll add Affinity to my list of possibilities. While I'm still seriously inclined towards the Photoshop option, there are too many lukewarm or negative reviews about installing it in Macs.

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A free program which can be used is (besides Gimp) RawTherapee.

https://rawtherapee.com/

You can use it both on Windows and on Mac computers.

I have used it sometimes and it is more simple to use than Gimp. It has some nice editing capabilities which are not available in Lightroom, but only in Photshop (which I do not have!).

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