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Old 12-22-2010   #81
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Leica 21 3.4 Super Angulon. Brand new in the box and it vignetted like crazy. It worked pretty good at f16 and I have a bunch of pics on the livingroom walls from it. I kept it 3 months and the 2.8 preasph came out. Still have that one for 25 years.
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A long-time Nikon user here, but I could never get used to the little LCD metering readout and the "not a spot" and "not an averaging" meter system on the Nikon F3. The rest of the camera was great for its time.
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Its refreshing in a way to realise that its not just me being 'a grumpy old man' when I find some camera, lens or kit disapointing. At a cursory glance, it seems a lot of people have been disapointed with olympus cameras, (but not the glass). I loved Zuiko lenses, but could never get on with the ergonomics of their bodies, (om2 and 4). It is also interesting that others too found the Pentax 40mm f2.8 pancake disapointing
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All the Kievs I've ever had--they felt good in the hand, but none worked properly.

Olympus 35RC--good lens, but a somewhat clunky and cheap feel.

Rolleiflex 3.5f--many excellent qualities, but not quite as smooth handling as some of its "lesser" sister models such as the older automats and the T. And as heavier, also more tedious to carry around for long periods.

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Darren I love the Olympus 35 Rc but I agree it definately feels 'cheap' and I never did like the lever wind or as I prefered to call it 'dust enterance'. Its funny I have a love hate thing with olympus, great lenses but camera wise something always lets me down, the flare prone viewfinder in the AX, the strangeley place shutter selection dial on OM bodies, the bulkiness of the SP, the poor electronics of their early RF and so on
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Considering the high price and reputation I found the 50mm Pre-ASPH Lux (v.2) to be just another 'good' lens. Maybe marginally better (more contrasty) than a Canon 50mm/1.4 but much less value than any cheap 50mm lens from CV. Even now when I watch my images taken with it I simply cannot see anything special.
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A long-time Nikon user here, but I could never get used to the little LCD metering readout and the "not a spot" and "not an averaging" meter system on the Nikon F3. The rest of the camera was great for its time.

haha, i totally agree. The F3 takes great pictures and feels great, but i don't even try to see the viewfinder display.
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Well, I haven't been using much photography equipment so far, so I haven't got much experience with different gear.

Still, I was pretty disappointed with the Voigtländer 35mm f/1.4 Nokton MC, for which I had high hopes when I first purchased it. While being very compact and well-made, my copy exhibited massive focus shift in various directions, so I rarely got my subject in focus. The bokeh appeared very harsh and jittery to me, and I didn't like it at all. Also, the lens was rather soft wide open and both colours and contrast weren't very pleasing to me.

Another huge disappointment was that japanese-made Helios viewfinder, sporting alleged 35, 85 and 135mm framelines. I bought it to be used with the 20mm f/1.7 lens on my Olympus E-P1. It was a terrible and not very recommendable experience. The finder wouldn't fit in the flash shoe properly, and the framelines were far too tight. I could've just taken pictures blind instead.
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Mamiya 645, and Mamiya c330, Mamiya RB67. Could never get into medium format. It just seemed a clunky compromise between my prefered 35mm Nikon/Leica and 4x5 Sinar.

Just my opinion, not trolling, I know others will disagree, and more power to ya if you enjoy it.
It's so funny how people's experiences differ! Mine is the exact opposite. I have excellent 35mm (Olympus OM, 3Ti, rage of amazing f/2.0 glass, 21mm-250mm) and 4x5in (Linhof Technika) systems, yet I keep on coming back to the Mamiya RB67 (which was my first film camera) which produces, to my eye, my most pleasing pictures. Especially candids - it's so unobtrusive to use a waist-level finder, and after sheet film, a roll of 10 images is a luxury!

To each his own!

Oh - back to the original subject - my biggest disappointment? Finding out that large format images don't automatically look better than small/medium ones. Right after I got it, I almost sold my Linhof Technika. Images felt like just too much effort, for 16x20in prints that don't realy look better than the equivalent Mamiya-produced ones.

Until I made one or two images which really blew my mind, which made me realise I could never have made them with any of my other cameras. That made me perservere, and now the disappointment is over.
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Zorki "C"............absolutely a pain in the fundament to load, a rangefinder that is too small and sounds like the "gnashing of the proletarian teeth" when the shutter is fired.
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I'd love to know what you didn't like about the D700, apart from size maybe?
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I'd love to know what you didn't like about the D700, apart from size maybe?
I hate SLRs in general. I thought I should step up to the D700 from an M8 and get a little more modern, but I just couldn't get on with it and went back to the M8 within a month. I just like that old school simplicity of manual cameras. That said, I just bought a Canon 40d so, I'll attempt the DSLR thing again, but at a much cheaper entry price this time. Obviously I had no issues with the D700 IQ.
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Zorki "C"............absolutely a pain in the fundament to load, a rangefinder that is too small and sounds like the "gnashing of the proletarian teeth" when the shutter is fired.
And as I contiune to think about it; the cheap plasticky feel of the modern digital camera that will be obselete in only a few years.
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Zorki 4 and Pentacon Six.

The latter I really wanted to like, but found that in bright sunlight I could see diddly squat through the waist level finder. The prism finder wasn't much better either.

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Disappointing:

Bodies:
Leica M8
Canon A1, AE1 (did like the F1)
Canon 5D, 5dII, 1Dmk3

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Canon 50/1.2L, 35L, 135L
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Hasselblad 503CX with 80/2.8 - nice enough kit, but painfully slow to focus and use. How on earth do people use these for shooting on the street? Hasselblad should be spelled "Hassle" blad
... Do you mean by any chance the Hasselblad 500 C/M ...

Except my dislike for that digital stuff ... the only camera that I never really liked and could get used to was my Olympus Pen F ... Out of 2 rolls 135-36 all 144 (all !!) were totally miss-focused, using two different lenses ...
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Wow that's interesting. You managed to pick some very well respected lenses... May I ask what made you disappointed in them?
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135mm lenses - who uses them, for what???
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I take it you don't like that FL? That seems to have been a standad in RF and SLR for a long time. My first two lenses in SLR were a kit containing a 28mm and a 135mm. It was a good compromise between 100mm and 200mm. It was also a nice enough portrait lens.

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I agree with Joe. TLRs make me dizzy. I had a Yashica 124G for a few months but I couldn't bring myself to use it.
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I agree with Joe. TLRs make me dizzy. I had a Yashica 124G for a few months but I couldn't bring myself to use it.
I loved mine when I had it. After I replaced it with a Mamiya Super Press 23, I couldn't find 6x6 so interesting. I later got a Rolleiflex and have hardly ever used it. It is probably one of my most disappointing cameras, fine as it is. But I don't think I really dislike any of my cameras that work as they were designed. Another that I have a lot of trouble liking to use is the Kiev. Not because it is a Kiev, but because I just can't fall in love with 35mm RF. I can use it, but prefer SLR.
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I found this camera in an abandoned part of Brooklyn close to where I lived and came close to almost stepping on it. I figured some lost tourist of hipster lost their camera because it was so small.

I found the camera had to many features that I tried constantly to defeat; autofocus killed my creativity; and the shutter delay destroyed the purpose of having a point and shoot.

I took the worst pictures I ever made with this camera, and the only thing I liked about it was its compact size. I did learn that I am old school; I love simple-simple manual focus cameras; and for hand held work in low light a heavy camera is my friend.

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Epson R-D1 - sold after one day out with it. Will not ever use anything crop sensor again. Nice-ish camera, just felt flimsy; crop sensor was forcing me to rethink FL of every lens I was attaching. And I didn't want to keep a camera that had a very uncertain future. But mostly it's becuase of crop sensor.

Fuji MF RFs - nothing wrong at all with image quality, but they're too HUGE! Not exactly what I'd call "street camera". But that's what I bought one for, without having seen/held one before. As soon as I opened the box I was like, OK, this "Fisher Price" looking thing is going back, no way am I going to shoot candid street.
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Epson R-D1 - sold after one day out with it. Will not ever use anything crop sensor again. Nice-ish camera, just felt flimsy; crop sensor was forcing me to rethink FL of every lens I was attaching. And I didn't want to keep a camera that had a very uncertain future. But mostly it's becuase of crop sensor.
I can relate to this - I really liked everything about the camera, but the crop sensor ruined it for me. Lasted a week before I sold it.
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135mm lenses - who uses them, for what???
Thanks for using a smiley, if not, those are fighting words

I *love* 135mm focal length:


Nikkor-Q 135/2.8


Pentax SMC 135/2.5


CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5


Contax Zeiss Sonnar 135/2.8


Olympus OM 135/2.8
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Epson R-D1 - sold after one day out with it. Will not ever use anything crop sensor again. Nice-ish camera, just felt flimsy; crop sensor was forcing me to rethink FL of every lens I was attaching. And I didn't want to keep a camera that had a very uncertain future. But mostly it's becuase of crop sensor.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course. But cropped or not, FOV=lens FL or not, is really an issue if you shoot 135 exclusively, is it not? For those who also use MF and/or LF etc its not much of an issue, as you either feel compelled to translate FL´s between the formats to a common base, in which case its second nature, or just don´t care and pick whatever does the job. I prefer the latter approach.
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Wow that's interesting. You managed to pick some very well respected lenses... May I ask what made you disappointed in them?
L lenses can vary. You can get a bad one. L lenses may represent Canon's top of the line optics, but they are not always the best.
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Canon 5D, 1Dmk3

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Canon 50/1.2L, 35L, 135L
That's the backbone of my digital kit ...
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For me it was a Canon QL17 GIII. I loved its' look, the weight and the way it felt. However, I just couldn't 'get on' with it.
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Was thinking the same thing. I just love my D700 - other than the fact that it is so freaking heavy and bulky.
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Summilux 35mm asph v1...dog of a lens on my 2 M8s. useless after f/1.4

nikon 35/2
nikon 45/2.8 pancake
nikon 28/1.4..overhyped.nothing special for me. still have it, shall sell it soon.

canon 70-300...the green ring one...what a waste of money.
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This is a great thread. Not only does it show great similarities in our opinion, it also shows how different we can all be. One persons ultimate is anothers dread! It shows that ultimately all the reviews and opinions of others are useless until we try stuff out for ourselves. Find out what works for us and use accordingly. There is no perfect camera or lens, there's always a compromise. For me it's the size of the D700 and lens however it does what I want it to do so for now I'll stick with it.
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My Olympus xa4 is going back to the shop. Again. It's great when it works, which is almost never.

Rollei 35-- broke on the trip I bought it for, on the first day. Ergonomics are awful. Did get some nice shots out of it once fixed, but have not missed it since I sold it.

On the other hand, have recently been enlarging stuff I shot with disposable "panoramic" cameras, including from the trip the Rollei was supposed to document, and am astonished at how good they look. Plastic rules!

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I'm amazed at how many people are complaining about gear. Does anyone wonder whether there is any user error based on these negative experiences with their 'poor performing' equipment? I'm seeing some wild accusations here against some pretty good kit. What's that saying about 'a man and blaming his tools?'

Dare I ask people to show examples of their results?
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I'm amazed at how many people are complaining about gear. Does anyone wonder whether there is any user error based on these negative experiences with their 'poor performing' equipment? I'm seeing some wild accusations here against some pretty good kit. What's that saying about 'a man and blaming his tools?'

Dare I ask people to show examples of their results?
Complaints? My gear is far better than I am. And I'm using the stuff that disappoints others!
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I'm amazed at how many people are complaining about gear. Does anyone wonder whether there is any user error based on these negative experiences with their 'poor performing' equipment? I'm seeing some wild accusations here against some pretty good kit. What's that saying about 'a man and blaming his tools?'

Dare I ask people to show examples of their results?
Your equipment list, straight from your signature at this date:
Leica M9 : Leica Noctilux 50/0.95 : Zeiss Planar 50/2 : Voigtlander Nokton 35/1.2 : Thumbs Up Grip : Leica 1.4x Magnifier

May I ask why don't you shoot with a Nikon D3x? or Canon 1Ds MarkIII? you certainly can afford those. Probably because you *prefer* M9, yes? Does that mean those are bad cameras? not at all.

That's all I read in this thread, people discussing tool preferences over the other. And it's fun to read the reasons (or the non-reasons).
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Was thinking the same thing. I just love my D700 - other than the fact that it is so freaking heavy and bulky.

Someone not liking a D700 ... shock horror I agree!

As for the bulk and weight ... I pick my 67ii Pentax up every few days whether I'm shooting it or not to remind me what bulk and weight actually is!
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For me it was a Canon QL17 GIII. I loved its' look, the weight and the way it felt. However, I just couldn't 'get on' with it.
ditto (as unpopular as such an opinion might be)
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