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Old 08-30-2014   #1
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i'm strolling through the outdoor farmers market this morning and i pass a tent with photos for sale…i hobble over to take a closer look…the framing was interesting, prints bonded to metal with bent edges to add some distance form wall to frame when hung.
the prints themselves were nice…well executed, printed etc…

i looked at the photographer's written material, a short who am i and why do i do this statement…this is where it got very interesting for me.
one of the things he said about himself was his ability to convey something different/unique in his work…
not really! bike against a wall, old trucks…nothing unique here…nice images but not very different from what many folks shoot.

what was different was that he was offering these for sale and seemed that he was full of confidence about his endevour!

to be honest, my stuff is at least on par with his but mine isn't displayed for sale at the market.
so what is the difference between the 2 of us?
i'm sure many members here are in the same situation…creators of good images but not offering them up for sale, not seeing them as unique or different…

is this guy just arrogant or maybe a good judge of what people will buy?
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Reminds me of some fleeting past comment by Jesse James, of motorcycle fabrication fame. He said something like: "people just love to pay"
It was not so much what he said, but how he said it. There was that immediate *click* that he was absolutely correct and knew it and, of course, was confident enough in his product to say it.
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If he's selling, then he's a good judge

I don't see what I do as being different from other photographers (because it's not), but as an extension of certain photographic cultures. That is, I am making contributions to a tradition which also happens to have personal value.
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Most likely you are both, just like the rest of us, victims of overconfidence.
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no problem…

i was struck at how he sees his stuff as unique...
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Don't worry, I'm sure someone thinks the same about you.
the difference is i am not advertising myself as unique...
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Old 08-30-2014   #8
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Extremely extremely few 2D still photos are unique. IMO everything in this arena has been done, done well, done very well a thousand times over.
This guy's opinion of his (?) own work is his opinion and that's all it is. My guess is that it expresses his personal vision well, so he believes that makes his work "unique". Okay, let him call it whatever he desires. It is what it is.

When you see something truly unique, unless you have a very open mind and give it the time it deserves to sink in, you probably won't like it.
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The only judgement will be how many pictures this "farmer" do actually sell.

We have gallery tour every year around Milton, very gifted artist shows their paintings, sculpture and crafts.
Last time I bumped into couple of photogs showing their prints at small community center, together with traditional artist. Photos were very amateurish, comparing to what I have.
But they made it to be accepted and displayed, while I was just visiting...
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Old 08-30-2014   #10
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We all see things differently
…very true.

sometimes i look at my stuff and i think i'm pretty good.
other times i look and see just plain crap.
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Old 08-30-2014   #11
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Talent is nice, but brass will take you further. I don't know how many folks I've come across with great talent but no idea of how to promote themselves. The hype your photographer put out will probably sell a couple of pix just because some know nothing buys in.
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..with great talent but no idea of how to promote themselves…

that would be me…
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Talent is nice, but brass will take you further. I don't know how many folks I've come across with great talent but no idea of how to promote themselves. The hype your photographer put out will probably sell a couple of pix just because some know nothing buys in.
oh yeah, this guy was taking names and email addresses so he could invite those interested to his next 'show'...
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...... i'm sure many members here are in the same situation…creators of good images but not offering them up for sale, not seeing them as unique or different… ......
Could it be that some of us simply refuse to evaluate the merits of our photography with what people are willing to pay for it? I know that if I were to photograph to please other people instead of what I feel needs to be done, there would be absolutely no relationship between that work and what I currently do.

Using sales as the metric, Thomas Kincade "painter of light" was the greatest artist of all time.
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The difference is he went out and did it.

An old joke about photography is that the way to make a small fortune as a photographer is to start out with a large fortune.
Photographers who make money from their work consistently spend a lot of time on marketing and business...and surprisingly little on actually photographing.
I've heard almost every sucessful photographer who talks of this subject say the same thing.



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i'm strolling through the outdoor farmers market this morning and i pass a tent with photos for sale…i hobble over to take a closer look…the framing was interesting, prints bonded to metal with bent edges to add some distance form wall to frame when hung.
the prints themselves were nice…well executed, printed etc…

i looked at the photographer's written material, a short who am i and why do i do this statement…this is where it got very interesting for me.
one of the things he said about himself was his ability to convey something different/unique in his work…
not really! bike against a wall, old trucks…nothing unique here…nice images but not very different from what many folks shoot.

what was different was that he was offering these for sale and seemed that he was full of confidence about his endevour!

to be honest, my stuff is at least on par with his but mine isn't displayed for sale at the market.
so what is the difference between the 2 of us?
i'm sure many members here are in the same situation…creators of good images but not offering them up for sale, not seeing them as unique or different…

is this guy just arrogant or maybe a good judge of what people will buy?
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If my photography were unique, I'd only have one photograph...

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Ever noticed the way McDonalds tell us how fantastic their food tastes ... but in reality it's just soggy, greasy tasteless crap ...

... that people queue up to buy none the less!
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Old 08-30-2014   #19
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Having them for sale doesn't mean he sells many. I always think photographic prints from unknowns are a difficult sell.
I'm 52 and I've been in a great many peoples homes, and prints that are not personal to the owners are a rare beast, I've come across photographs, but it's surprising how often they are name photographers, partly because they're great images, but I guess having a value would also be a consideration. Photographs seem to need more of a provenance than paintings for example.
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Ever noticed the way McDonalds tell us how fantastic their food tastes ... but in reality it's just soggy, greasy tasteless crap ...

... that people queue up to buy none the less!
I love a McDonalds, in moderation what's not to like?
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I think he just see´s his glass as half full.......
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Really? is right!

It sounds like you are just another photographer thinking/saying "I can do that just as well." This toxic culture of looking down at others' work is really sad. You might be right! But that doesn't really matter does it? Make photographs, do what you will with them (display them, sell them, or don't, whatever), and let others do the same.

Of course there is a time and place for critique and such. Don't get me wrong. I just don't get this attitude. Reminds me of something a friend of mine posted yesterday:
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no problem…

i was struck at how he sees his stuff as unique...
He exudes confidence which people love, I think it will definitely help him with the sale. He certainly knows how to run a "business". As far as whose photos are better/unique - only a viewer can decide. Have him post his photos here, I am sure some fine RFF folks will love to take a crack at it.
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the difference is i am not advertising myself as unique...
In advertising art though, you can't really advertise your stuff as being generic and much the same as everybody elses' (although inside, we can admit it to ourselves).

Buy a few frames, get a few prints done, worst thing that can happen is you don't sell them.
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This guy is unique because he has the balls to get out there and hang his flag. If you want to sell your stuff or yourself you have to be confident in both yourself and your product. The term "unique" in this situation is just marketing fluff and is taken as such by any educated consumer.
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Success in any area in life has a lot to do with confidence and a belief in your own ability, right or wrong. Worrying about this sort of thing will only cause you unneccessary frustration Joe.
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Really? is right!

It sounds like you are just another photographer thinking/saying "I can do that just as well." This toxic culture of looking down at others' work is really sad. You might be right! But that doesn't really matter does it? Make photographs, do what you will with them (display them, sell them, or don't, whatever), and let others do the same.

Of course there is a time and place for critique and such. Don't get me wrong. I just don't get this attitude. Reminds me of something a friend of mine posted yesterday:
you accuse me of being judgemental...as you judge me w/o a clue as to what's in my heart.
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Success in any area in life has a lot to do with confidence and a belief in your own ability, right or wrong. Worrying about this sort of thing will only cause you unneccessary frustration Joe.
i'm not worrying about any of this...it's a curiosity to me.
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you accuse me of being judgemental...as you judge me w/o a clue as to what's in my heart.
I disagree...I did not judge you. I made a generalized statement about photographers looking down at others, especially in the realm of selling their work. Take that as you will.
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I disagree...I did not judge you. I made a generalized statement about photographers looking down at others, especially in the realm of selling their work. Take that as you will.

It sounds like you are just another photographer thinking/saying "I can do that just as well." This toxic culture of looking down at others' work is really sad. You might be right! But that doesn't really matter does it? Make photographs, do what you will with them (display them, sell them, or don't, whatever), and let others do the same.

oh really?!
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2. used to refer to any person in general.

Sorry, I meant the generalized "you" after the first, as in "another photographer."
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'some' people should have the balls to just accept responsibility for their words and deeds…not speaking of anyone in particular…
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How much were these prints selling for?
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unframed, not mounted 8x10 were $25.
larger prints, mounted on metal were $165/ various...
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$165?? At least he isn't running the craft down.
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no problem…

i was struck at how he sees his stuff as unique...
You can hardly expect him to put up a sign saying "You can buy this stuff anywhere, and probably for less."

Though that might be a good hook for a Saturday market kind of thing.
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You get what you pay for including a little generic artist hype. Ideally there would be several photographers selling work in the same marketplace which may or may not improve the quality of what is being offered regardless of the hype.
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You can hardly expect him to put up a sign saying "You can buy this stuff anywhere, and probably for less."

Though that might be a good hook for a Saturday market kind of thing.
... now that would get one noticed Joe!

I'm with Keith though ... it's mostly about not noticing the emperors new cloths, and aquiring a taste for big macs
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Only the buyers can answer your question
and as for him possibly being arrogant - well you need to get to know him to find out..
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