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Old 05-19-2013   #1
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Angry This camera I hate

Shot an event today and as usual I had to wedge my way thru the unpaid Photographers. Point and shoots, smartphones and an occasional DSLR, but I am really hating all the Ipad's being used as cameras. POX on them! They obstruct the view of others and just generally get in the way. Now that I think of it, I do not hate the iPad, I hate these iPad users. Just plain rude.
Counted 8 of them today. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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It's hard to fight the tide Akiva ... but I can understand the frustration!
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Shot an event today and as usual I had to wedge my way thru the unpaid Photographers. Point and shoots, smartphones and an occasional DSLR, but I am really hating all the Ipad's being used as cameras. POX on them! They obstruct the view of others and just generally get in the way. Now that I think of it, I do not hate the iPad, I hate these iPad users. Just plain rude.
Counted 8 of them today. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Maybe it is time to get the photo vest, the largest DSLR and Nikon lens you can find to hang on your shoulder and shoot ... Let 'em know whose boss.
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BTW, what event was this?
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Maybe it is time to get the photo vest, the largest DSLR and Nikon lens you can find to hang on your shoulder and shoot ... Let 'em know whose boss.
That is just plain funny. Hey it used to work back in my Nikon F and 200 mm lens days. That was a crusher!
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Yeah! I can understand your frustration. Only fools would take their iPads out. The smart ones will take their iPad minis ......
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BTW, what event was this?
It was an engagement party for some rich folks. They were really nice people. I shot with My M3 and Tri-X plus I had my Pentax Q in my pocket as a backup (but I did not use it). BTW Riccis Valladares, another RFF member, is a very successful BW film wedding photographer. He has given me the inspiration and courage to shoot BW film professionally.
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Yeah! I can understand your frustration. Only fools would take their iPad's out. The smart ones will take their iPad minis ......
Funny you mention that. I have an iPad mini, but even that would still look weird to me as a camera. But it does work great in Facetime and Skype.
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Yeah, the iPad mini presents a lot less of an obstruction than the standard iPad does. ;-)

Seriously, tho, not much you can do other than be polite as possible, and elbow your way to a position without obstructions if you are trying to get a job done. This has been a problem for years with crowded events. The paid photographers covering the event often have to fight with hobbyists getting in the way.

When I was doing event and editorial work for hire, I would often sight through the crowd surrounding the event early on and talk to the people who were in the prime positions, enlisting their aid to allow me to slip in to get my job done while giving them space and free rein when I was in another position and they wouldn't be in the way. Making them friends and giving them advice on settings and what to look for ensured a smoother attack on the jams.

It doesn't always work 100%, but making friends of the people who would otherwise be your problem/obstructions usually makes it a lot easier to get what you need done. :-)

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I find the ipads present a wonderful opportunity if you can incorporate them in your composition.
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At the last (& final I hope) wedding I shot I just found people in general down right rude. The bride & groom with the rest of the wedding party were posing on the church steps & some old hags just bolt right in with their cheap $89 cameras. Arms all streched out trying to get a view in the rear screen not giving a crap as long as they get their shot...not worth it too me.
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Next time give this a try...I know it happens with my current laptop and it might work on an ipad....
My laptop screen will go black if I trigger a flash directly at it and I have to reboot it to come back on...try this on someone's ipad and see if anything happens...
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They are the Atgets of today - Ipad has substituted the 8x10 view camera
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Next time give this a try...I know it happens with my current laptop and it might work on an ipad....
My laptop screen will go black if I trigger a flash directly at it and I have to reboot it to come back on...try this on someone's ipad and see if anything happens...
I had similar idea with potato masher flash...if ipad will not reboot, at least it will melt - just set flash on full power to be sure
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Maybe they are interpreting the biblical reference to moses waving his Tablet with the funny writing on it literally ?
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fight fire with fire....bring out your mamiya press camera or the polaroid 600SE...

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fight fire with fire....bring out your mamiya press camera or the polaroid 600SE...



Or a Pentax 67 ... ?
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like anyone gives a [email protected]#$*
Apple desires your ire here, they put that on by default, and most users are often not aware it is there or how to remove it usually..
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great stuff folks.
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I just experienced this at the youngest's dance recital last weekend. Two rows up -a couple no less! It was like 3D.
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One can think of them as modern day "view" cameras......

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Next time give this a try...I know it happens with my current laptop and it might work on an ipad....
My laptop screen will go black if I trigger a flash directly at it and I have to reboot it to come back on...try this on someone's ipad and see if anything happens...
That is so nasty and inconsiderate ... and I have added it to my things to remember should I ever shoot a wedding again. I like it.

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fight fire with fire....bring out your mamiya press camera or the polaroid 600SE...

Yep, a Super Press 23 and a Sunpak 544 flash. The size of the camera intimidates a lot of people. When the flash goes off, most reach for the SPF 800.
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Apple desires your ire here, they put that on by default, and most users are often not aware it is there or how to remove it usually..
I had the original iPhone...and on the 3Gs I use as an ipod it's still there in my email preferences. I just appended my name to it.

The reason I keep it is so that if everything is misspelled, they know why
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I find this i.pad thing quite disturbing when I'm at an event or show as spectator because I cannot see what I'm supposed to see !
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Wow a pretty intense rant. YES!!
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One can think of them as modern day "view" cameras......

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Sorry, I think of them as modern day idiots.
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I just out-rude them... if the iPad is in my way, I just go in front of them to get my photo. People are usually afraid to get close, so there is always space in front of them. I was photographing someone in central park up close and this girl got mad at me for getting in her photo... I turned around to see where she was and she was like 30 feet away with her iPad. I just told her to stop bitching, get closer, and she'll get a better photo.
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One can think of them as modern day "view" cameras......
Huge screen, but tiny sensor... such a backwards camera.
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One can think of them as modern day "view" cameras......
I thought modern day "view" cameras were called Large Format cameras and took fantastic pics?

I have to agree with the general consensus here. I doubt any tablet's camera is notably better than the average smartphone camera, which is far more discrete. Using tablets to take snapshots seems far more distracting to me than even someone using a big DSLR (maybe not as a press camera... but a press camera certainly says serious photographer in a way no tablet ever will).

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it's awful even if you're just spectating. worst is at concerts where people periscope the ipads to see over the crowd and block the view of folks in back of them. karen o of the yeah yeah yeahs has told her audiences not to do this.
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Part of this is due to digital camera makers. With the onslaught of very functional touchscreen systems, for the most part, camera makers put their heads in the sand.

Imagine if most digital camera came with built-in Wi-Fi or Bluetooth and an accompanying app to grab the photos as they are taken for eventual larger screen viewing, editing, and re-transmitting.

The iPad or tablet could then remain in the back or sling bag or wherever and a much higher quality optical system could be used to take the snap with decent enough 3" viewing.

But noooooo......

The Japanese camera makers, mostly trapped out of the smartphone and tablet markets are in a parochial hole of their own making. They put themselves into closed little self-congratulang ecosystems with no concept of how people actually use or innovate with the technology at hand. So instead of people buying dedicated cameras and using them appropriately with an open communications infrastructure, we get tablets used as cameras.
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Part of this is due to digital camera makers. With the onslaught of very functional touchscreen systems, for the most part, camera makers put their heads in the sand.

Imagine if most digital camera came with built-in Wi-Fi or Bluetooth and an accompanying app to grab the photos as they are taken for eventual larger screen viewing, editing, and re-transmitting.

The iPad or tablet could then remain in the back or sling bag or wherever and a much higher quality optical system could be used to take the snap with decent enough 3" viewing.

But noooooo......

The Japanese camera makers, mostly trapped out of the smartphone and tablet markets are in a parochial hole of their own making. They put themselves into closed little self-congratulang ecosystems with no concept of how people actually use or innovate with the technology at hand. So instead of people buying dedicated cameras and using them appropriately with an open communications infrastructure, we get tablets used as cameras.
This argument strikes me as... odd. Essentially what you are saying is that by camera manufacturers sticking to making cameras as opposed to converged devices they are getting replaced by... converged devices. This isn't really a question of the camera makers putting their head in the sand, but the fact that the masses will always choose products that increase the ease of doing things even if it comes at the cost of quality.

The odd thing is not that lower end cameras are in trouble, its that some people seem to be choosing to use tablets for picture taking over phones despite the latter being much easier to handle.

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I still say, rude rude rude.
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This argument strikes me as... odd. Essentially what you are saying is that by camera manufacturers sticking to making cameras as opposed to converged devices they are getting replaced by... converged devices. This isn't really a question of the camera makers putting their head in the sand, but the fact that the masses will always choose products that increase the ease of doing things even if it comes at the cost of quality.

The odd thing is not that lower end cameras are in trouble, its that some people seem to be choosing to use tablets for picture taking over phones despite the latter being much easier to handle.

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Camera sales have stalled especially at the low end. Olympus just dropped their low-end digicams. Tablets and phones have taken their place.

For many users, they don't have a cameraphone, just a tablet. So if that has a camera, that's what they use.

Today's cameras do not "play nice". They almost all depend on a PC to act as the software darkroom, yet more and more people do not have a home PC (sales stalled there as well). A few connect to the internet, but it is often a laboured process.

If they "played nice" they'd be more functional instead of stuck in their discrete little world, dependent on a PC which the user may or may not have. That dependency is giving sales of cameras over to tablet and smartphone makers to the point where Apple just launched a $70 million ad campaign trumping the iPhone's dominance as a camera! And for its convenience. So if it is convenience people want, dedicated cameras have to go there as well. I doubt very much that many of these tablet photographers really enjoy photography this way, but they do because their convenience trumps all else.
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I just experienced this at the youngest's dance recital last weekend. Two rows up -a couple no less! It was like 3D.
I would have tried to take a shot of their stereo iPad shot w/ the recital in the background.

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Lately I have been seeing this more and more.. The good and the bad of it is that w/ instant upload to their favorite site (Flickr, tweeter, Facebook, etc), it seems to be about being able to show all your friends about what u are up to then worrying about rudeness for some of them..

I think for others, it is really the only device they carry that can take pictures. For them, this is good enough.

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