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Old 08-19-2013   #1
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How dependent on the internet is your continued use of film?

On line shopping has really caught on in Oz it seems and I'm sure many other countries are the same. Retailers here have been bleating about it for several years now and have been lobbying the government to do something about the situation by lowering the current tax free threshold of one thousand dollars down to a much lower figure. The government incidentally has expressed little interest in this idea.

If I couldn't buy my film on line from overseas suppliers I probably wouldn't be using it frankly because retail prices here are stupidly high so Freestyle and B&H etc get most of my business.

I suspect that without online purchasing film would be in a lot more trouble than it is currently! I guess many industries rely on online sales these days but film in particular would almost be gone without this option IMO.
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Old 08-19-2013   #2
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I am from the UK, but now am in Australia. I buy 100% of film online, it's cheaper, easier, and better range. I buy pretty much everything online for the same reason. Books, whisky, batteries, computers, clothes, everything.

With a few exceptions, shopping retail is a pretty painful experience, so I don't bother.

Frankly, I'd still buy online if they paid more tax than retail, and charged higher prices, it's just a better service most of the time.
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At this phase in the game I have only three film cameras. The last time a bought a wad of film was when I was given a nice gift card for christmas and got myself about ten rolls. Used it up pronto and paid for the processing and was pleased with my progress. I bought a three pack from the store a while back and used it up in the RFs. I have been thinking about going down and buying some. You think people are in trouble. In the past two years I have watched several local sources of "drugstore" film and development dry up and go away. The internet is all we have left darn near then you have to buy it and pay freight too.
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Good question, Keith. It seems like the only films that I both like and can reliably buy locally are 35mm Kodak BW400CN and Tri-X. Anything else is hit or miss, so I usually order my film online. Come to think of it, this may be another reason I shoot more black and white these days... it's what I can get.
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Buy all of my film on internet business sites.

Very few bricks & mortar places carry film here in Minneapolis anymore and, if they do carry film, a very limited amount of choices.

Good topic to survey.
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One option I would have chosen: online exclusively.

The only reasonably priced film available locally is 35mm Fuji color film (Superia? or a cheaper version?) at most Wal-Marts. Everyone else charges nearly double what B&H or Freestyle charge.
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It's not, but I'd like to keep having the internet.
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Most of my film comes from Freestyle.. I haven't bought film from a camera shop in over a year now..
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Old 08-19-2013   #10
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I rarely if ever buy film online. Living near Houston has some advantages there. I buy some from Walmart, but also can go into town for a couple of camera shops. Lately though between some of the drug stores and local groceries closing out on the BW400CN I have gotten some real steals on that film.
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Old 08-19-2013   #11
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I buy (nearly) all my film at Tempe Camera, which is about 15 minutes away. Their prices rival the New York super stores, except that I have to pay tax. And I understand this will be changing soon.
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I voted "most of it" because there was no "all of it" option.

There is just no place around here to purchase B&W film. And precious little color negative film, but color is 1% of what I use.

So, all my film is bought either from Freestyle or B&H and shipped to my address.

There is a place that used to be a camera store just down the street but now all they do is video transfer. He did have a few rolls of 120 TX at $11 a roll, no thanks.
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Old 08-19-2013   #13
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All my film is online

Adorama sells TMAX 100/400 36x for 4.95 a roll...all day long!
If I want Tri-X, Freestyle labeled AP400 for under $3.00 a roll all day long
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I still buy film from the supermarket, but I have to send color rolls in for processing...It's a pain and sometimes the color comes out weird, but I don't have a darkroom, only a kit for B&W only.
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I'm fortunate that my shop is a half block from Central Camera, Chicago's oldest camera store. I have been going there for almost 30 years, and do my best to keep them in business.
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Old 08-19-2013   #16
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Well if I want Arista Premium then it's internet 'Freestyle'
But as of Late I'm hooked on Tmax 400 so its Adorama or B&H just a busride away

For the poll I Chose... Very little of it
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Old 08-19-2013   #17
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Well if I want Arista Premium then it's internet 'Freestyle'
But as of Late I'm hooked on Tmax 400 so its Adorama or B&H just a busride away

For the poll I Chose... Very little of it
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Old 08-19-2013   #18
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Luckily freestyle is a couple miles from home, their prices for their own labeled stuff (ie Arista Premium) are great...their prices for other stuff, not so great. So as long as they have it (they say 100000+ rolls), I'll buy Arista Premium, after that I'll buy trix from BH or Adorama.
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When offered, I buy the occasional batch from forum posters. A tiny bit of Fuji from Wally's. B&W from Freestyle. So, by far, internet purchases.
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I'd buy locally if it was an option because I find the whole internet thing a little tedious ... I have to drive twenty ks to our local post office to pick up anything I order for a start. If I could zip into the city every now then and buy a swag of film etc for up to twenty percent higher than what's available online I'd do it in preference.
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Old 08-19-2013   #21
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I'm with you Keith, NZ prices are ridiculous, so I am 100% online, mostly from B&H.
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Keith your not wrong, i voted most of it but i have to say it is all of it. If i want to buy in a shop here i will travel about 70km, (only a few shops selling film now) i will pay 3 times as much and not get what i want.
So internet shopping is the only way for me, really.
I get stuff from the US and Germany and have no problems at all.
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I buy in bulk online, and a few boxes here and there if I need to from local shops and the price is decent, I think I paid $9/roll for Agfa CT100. Can't really argue, but then you'll get me started on the now discontinued Provia 400X at $42/roll locally...there is no future in that!
Superia 3 pack are reasonable, around $20 for the lot. Anything else and it is online.
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Well if I want Arista Premium then it's internet 'Freestyle'
But as of Late I'm hooked on Tmax 400 so its Adorama or B&H just a busride away

For the poll I Chose... Very little of it
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Old 08-19-2013   #25
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Almost exclusively on line. I buy the occasional short dated rolls from the local pharmacy that does colour processing.[ In fact they are still quite busy..and they sometimes give the stuff away].
The same whining from retailers has been happening here, though in the main it is from book sellers.Government has been approached to lower the GST threshold for online purchasers.
It is easier for them moan and whine rather than make change.Buy local..pa - they don`t deserve my money so I purchase as much as I can online....love those Hong Kong sellers.
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I am fortunate to live in a larger city, and one with a deep history of photographers. I have bought film online, but it's a rarity. I sometimes have to go to a few different stores to get what I want, but I'm lucky to have all of them so close by.
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I'm lucky to have a 3rd generation family camera shop in Eugene, Oregon. Ilford, Kodak, Fuji, 35, 120, 4x5, Fujiroid, refrigerated pro films. That's where I get FP2, Delta3200, SFX, Ektar, occasional Velvia....But I also buy from RFFers (Leo Christoffer's Fomapan, e.g) and Freestyle (Arista).
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Old 08-19-2013   #28
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I would likely never have known about, much less bought any, Arista Premium 400 or Efke KB 25 had it not been for the www.

Freestyle along with B&H feed my need.
I think this is an important point, without the internet, I never would have heard of companies like Fotoman, Horseman, or even Voigtlander.

The film and film camera market on a per-town basis is pretty small generally, viewed globally, it's still massive. The internet has meant that I'm wondering whether to buy a Razzledog or a Fotoman 45SPS, two cameras from different continents which I'd never have heard of without the web.

I think generally retailers would do well to embrace the web, not fight it. I own 4 cameras right now, all found via the net. My prized Rollieflex GX was found online, but bought in the bricks and mortar store. That store's website won them a sale, without the web I never would have known they had it in stock.
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Color Fuji 200 comes from the local Walgreens drug and is processed and scanned there. I believe that source will continue, but it's hard to say for how long.

B&W FOMAPAN 400 comes from Freestyle and is processed and scanned by NCPS, or it goes into the refr.

The refr stock is building steadily, so my strategy is Internet-dependent.
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I tend to order all more special film on the internet - but there are several local shops that still have the more common formats and types. And all places I order from seem to take orders by telephone and mail as well - so even if the Internet vanishes, I'll still be able to get my film.
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Living in Aus too makes buying film IRL an overpriced joke. I will do it when I have to but cringe every time at the smarmy sales clerk. Luckily the internet exists or I would not be able to support my filthy habbit.
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I can get most films locally but at 20% over prices from the bigbinternet suppliers. I do both, depending on need.

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Just came back from a visit to Vanbar to pick up a bulk roll of tri x.
Just $70 but guess what, expires in three months

There was a big yellow sign at the paper section which said there was a 10 percent price increase from 27 of august.

I will not pay these ridiculous prices so it's the internet for me.
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I'm fortunate that my shop is a half block from Central Camera, Chicago's oldest camera store. I have been going there for almost 30 years, and do my best to keep them in business.
I bought my first roll of Velvia from them many moons ago - nice little shop, and very friendly. Now I save a few dollars by purchasing online, though my film needs are by no means online-dependent. A number of local shops stock the regulars, and even some discontinued films, though at a markup; real estate doesn't come cheap in the city.
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Just to add a bit of balance to this thread, I buy almost exclusively from Mathers of Lancashire, in store - whose prices are very competitive. I'm lucky enough to live only a short car ride away (12 miles).
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Here's an example for you people who don't live on our fair shores! Photo Continental is probably the largest outlet for this type of thing in Brisbane. LINK
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Here's an example for you people who don't live on our fair shores! Photo Continental is probably the largest outlet for this type of thing in Brisbane. LINK
I can see why you ship from overseas

The mind reels at their prices for Provia 400...
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Being in Manchester (UK) there are still quite a few camera shops that still sell film. There is even an 'Impossible project' shop that sells instant. However I'm a medium format shooter and most sell only 35mm these days. Coupled with higher price and the fact that none of the shops are conveniently near enough for me to just pop-in I still buy my film (and chemicals) online.

It must be tough for some of you guys out there. I'm lucky I could probably drive from my house to the Ilford factory in less time than it takes some of you to reach the nearest town.
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Just came back from a visit to Vanbar to pick up a bulk roll of tri x.
Just $70 but guess what, expires in three months

There was a big yellow sign at the paper section which said there was a 10 percent price increase from 27 of august.

I will not pay these ridiculous prices so it's the internet for me.
Really, A$70 is ridiculous? A lot of people mention B&H, see the attached screen shot, US$100 inc shipping. Gimme a break. And if that came already expired what would you do? Send it back and wait a month with no guarantee? So a 10% increase puts it at $77, and you're still better off.

I normally buy bulk film from vanbar, TMax400 (~$75 I think), if it was expiring in less than 6 months I'd ask for a discount. I live close by though, its easier for me, and once shipping is taken into account, its about the same price unless I'm buying a lot of it. I like being able to get it on the spot, I can pick up a roll of Delta 3200 on my way into town if I'm doing some night street shooting for instance, rather than planning ahead. I also like to support the shops that seem to care about more than the latest wiz bang, if no-one does, they'll all be gone.

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Really, A$70 is ridiculous? A lot of people mention B&H, see the attached screen shot, US$100 inc shipping. Gimme a break. And if that came already expired what would you do? Send it back and wait a month with no guarantee? So a 10% increase puts it at $77, and you're still better off.
And an update, want to get it from Freestyle or Adorama? Still cheaper here. I'm getting pretty sick of this "its so much cheaper online" garbage. It sounds like you're just lazy or somehow feel like the camera salespeople are beneath you (not directed at anyone in particular btw)

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