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Old 08-13-2013   #121
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just saying that there are varying degrees of moderation almost everywhere.

hall monitor...one of the 'good' kids that helped the teachers...
cheers, we call em prefects
 

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mods = security guards = police = Army ?
i wonder about that correlation- in relation to peterm 1.
what the heck is a 'hall moniter?..someone that moniters halls?
we don`t have em here - cultural difference i suppose, and cultural difference is the reason for many of the issues here.
I would bet there has never been an argument on a bag thread..maybe there is a solution in that somewhere

Hall moniter = prefect I think. No one liked prefects when I was at school in Wellington.
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Yes, always best to throw out a veiled/ambiguous threat when I said his shredding of photographic negatives was insane and "misguided." I was then further accused of calling him names, being rude, etc. That's exactly what we don't need: threats or feigned histrionics over things that really aren't worth it nor worthy of it.
As I already said in the other thread, you unquestionably were rude. Anyone can go and read it. It boggles the mind how you still don't realize it.

That being said, I did find the "I'll be watching you" on his side a bit problematic (albeit understandeable under the circumstances). It seems to me that there's a conflict of interest when mods use their power to sort out an argument they're personally involved in. In those cases I think another mod who's not involved should be consulted.
 

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Who should be banned?

Roger Hicks?
PKM-25?

Really? Why not Tom A? Raid?

Come to think of it, Stephen might be the best choice.
Interesting question(s)....but didn't this (these) question(s) arise because someone "left" of their own accord?

Maybe I'm missing the point of this thread... as it pertains to "the big picture" anyway.




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Hall moniter = prefect I think. No one liked prefects when I was at school in Wellington.
they still don`t..Wellington is my home town and all the prefects i knew of were the sons and daughters of crooked lawyers/accountants and marketing gurus...probably still are
 

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cheers, we call em prefects
We called them nerds and beat the sh**t out of them!
Just kidding of course!

Where I grew up there's actually no such thing as a hall monitor/prefect, etc. The very idea that there should be someone in the hallway monitoring people's behaviour is utterly foreign to me. What exactly is the point of that?
 

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I like Godfrey's approach to moderation...he posts something like "I'll be watching you" and lets it go at that until he has to do whatever he has to do...a very suave strategy when dealing with heated situations and people.
I have a lot of respect for Godfrey`s experience but I`m afraid that phrase does jar with me.

In todays world of ever present surveillance it has unfortunate Orwellian undertones.
I`m sure that isn`t the intention.

On the wider issues ,whilst its been informative to learn about the workings and machinations of moderating a forum ,I find myself yearning to get back to a lens and bag thread.

The forum would run much smoother if people didn`t introduce their personal politics and into the threads.

I would suggest that the moderators direct their attention to that more.
 

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We called them nerds and beat the sh**t out of them!
Just kidding of course!

Where I grew up there's actually no such thing as a hall monitor/prefect, etc. The very idea that there should be someone in the hallway monitoring people's behaviour is utterly foreign to me. What exactly is the point of that?
no you ain`t
and agreed..but once again - different cultures
 

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I have a lot of respect for Godfrey`s experience but I`m afraid that phrase does jar with me.

In todays world of ever present surveillance it has unfortunate Orwellian undertones.
I`m sure that isn`t the intention.

On the wider issues ,whilst its been informative to learn about the workings and machinations of moderating a forum ,I find myself yearning to get back to a lens and bag thread.

The forum would run much smoother if people didn`t introduce their personal politics and into the threads.

I would suggest that the moderators direct their attention to that more.
I agree.

One might look up the term "moderator" and study a bit before trying to be or appoint one.

Just my ever-so humble opinion, of course.

What was that famous Snagglepuss line?
" ... stage left... stage right, even ! "

Get over yourselves and let's get on with the show! (like I really needed to say that! )


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just saying that there are varying degrees of moderation almost everywhere.

hall monitor...one of the 'good' kids that helped the teachers...
My school doesn't have hall monitors, we have several police officers!
 

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if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all...
Charm and Humor can be ever so Seductive & Winning.
Mine didn't. Seriously, she is a horrid example of how to treat others.
 

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don't have mods in real life?
security guards
police
army
hall monitors

i wonder about that...
I live in Australia mate. Over here its all sweetness and light. We don't have security guards, police, army or hall monitors. We only have 18 year old women in leather bikinis wielding whips and a smile. That's all it takes to keep us in line and happy. :^)
 

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I have a lot of respect for Godfrey`s experience but I`m afraid that phrase does jar with me..
I find Godfrey's posting style highly personal, aggressive and antagonistic towards others, so much so that (not having realised he is a moderator) I tried to click "ignore".

I rarely contribute posts to RFF, simply because I see so many apparently innocuous questions being railroaded off topic, or because of the aggression and rudeness on display. It frankly amazes me when I see posters commenting on what a civil and helpful forum it is. My "ignore list" while not very long, is longer here than at any other forum.

FWIW, I think the forum could be more heavily moderated to address rudeness and aggression. But I also think moderators should be aware of the need for humility in positions of power.
 

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I find Godfrey's posting style highly personal, aggressive and antagonistic towards others...
Seconded.





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A big improvement ...Keith.
Does this mean I`ve got to start supporting Australia in the Ashes..
 

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Yes,
You "Purelight" guys have really been attacking Godfrey (amongst others) at purelight-forum. Your "chat-box" makes interesting reading.
And what's with the avatar changes? Trying to confuse the enemy?
 

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photogs uploading pics of people staring at their cell phones in the street should be banned. at once. without warning. forever.
 

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A great asset to the forum offering very sage advice is my opinion.
I just don`t care for the phrase.
 

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You "Purelight" guys have really been attacking Godfrey (amongst others) at purelight-forum. Your "chat-box" makes interesting reading.
I'm not "attacking" Godfrey, I am expressing an opinion.

I've never been to "Purelight", and I have no idea what "my chat box" is.
 

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I'm not "attacking" Godfrey, I am expressing an opinion.

I've never been to "Purelight", and I have no idea what "my chat box" is.
Absolutely true. It's the members who seconded and thirded your remark that I was addressing, not you. (I deleted your name from the quote.)
 

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You "Purelight" guys have really been attacking Godfrey (amongst others) at purelight-forum. Your "chat-box" makes interesting reading.
And what's with the avatar changes? Trying to confuse the enemy?
... that's what comes of immoderation
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Absolutely true. It's the members who seconded and thirded your remark that I was addressing, not you. (I deleted your name from the quote.)
Thank you for clarifying that, I appreciate it.
 

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Absolutely true. It's the members who seconded and thirded your remark that I was addressing, not you. (I deleted your name from the quote.)
Hi George. I'm glad you find my opinion worth comment. You'd be more than welcome at Purelight, but you need to be aware that the site is self moderating so you may not like it.

I have to say you've become terribly involved in the forum for a new member with only five posts to his name. Do you have a past history here?
 

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I have to say you've become terribly involved in the forum for a new member with only five posts to his name. Do you have a past history here?
You're deflecting.
 

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You're deflecting.
And this isn't?
This is my first post in this discussion thread. So I would hope you wouldn not make the same remark to me. And I think Bob's comment was spot on. Do you have a past history here?
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Do you have a past history here?
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So what's the name and/or member name of the person you have a family connection to, and what's the connection? Because clearly you've spent enough time perusing the forum to have developed some opinions about some of the interactions between some of the members, and it would speak well of your good faith to be more forthcoming about this. While we're at it what's your name?
I apologise if I'm being fairly direct but I'm really not into playing games.
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Let's be honest here, as people we gravitate towards likeminded souls, we seak out people we broadly agree with or at least have some common ground with. You don't tend to make a b-line for people you judge you'll have the least in common with when you arrive at a party.
On a forum with the arbtrary comonality of a likeing of Range Finder cameras, you are going to end up in conversation with people you don't share any other tastes, views or outlooks on life with, which is actually one of it's pleasures, but it does mean you are going to get some frictions developing.
I actually think in light of that there should be a little more argument than is generally allowed. The best threads are those that challenge ones own assumptions and I've learned more from those threads than the well behaved stick to the gear talk threads. Disagreement initself is not a problem as long as your respectful of the person and their alternative view.
 

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Perhaps all members should have an enforced sabbatical of a couple of weeks every year I usually take myself off for a while when RFF starts to get a bit twitchy. I've tried other forums but they're either too quiet, too bitchy or just too restrictive in terms of discussions and content so I keep coming back here where, on the whole, it's a great place. A breaks as good as a rest as they say.
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... it would speak well of your good faith to be more forthcoming about this....
My good faith? I reported some members misconduct, check the link I gave.

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While we're at it what's your name?
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I apologise if I'm being fairly direct but I'm really not into playing games.
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Someone said something earlier about deflecting. Who was that again?
I'm not playing games George. I asked you a couple of questions about as straight up as I possibly could. I don't mind if you don't wish to answer them, I'll simply draw my own conclusions about that just as others will.
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Some of you folks should get a hobby. Using chatrooms to gather a posse for a session of internet bullying is not cool. You say on your info panels that you are adults. At least one of you claims to work/have worked in education. Stop acting like dicks.
 

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I'm not playing games George. I asked you a couple of questions about as straight up as I possibly could. I don't mind if you don't wish to answer them, I'll simply draw my own conclusions about that just as others will.
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This is not a game. Joe (the OP) asked "who should be banned?" and I reported bad behavior.

Here's some more:
 

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This is not a game. Joe (the OP) asked "who should be banned?" and I reported bad behavior.

Here's some more:
Dear George,
I don't have any connection to any of that and until you posted the link to Purelight and I clicked on it, I'd never heard of it. I'm not buying into any of that although others might.

But I did ask you a couple of questions and you've just deflected those. I don't know why, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it tonight, but, my own conclusion is you have got something to hide yourself, because otherwise there would be no need for the subterfuge. So I'm putting you on my ignore list, because I'd rather engage with people who I have at least some idea of who they are and their history at this forum, (unlike yourself, who clearly has a history you do not wish to disclose).
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Dear George,
I don't have any connection to any of that and until you posted the link to Purelight and I clicked on it, I'd never heard of it. I'm not buying into any of that although others might.

But I did ask you a couple of questions and you've just deflected those. I don't know why, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it tonight, but, my own conclusion is you have got something to hide yourself, because otherwise there would be no need for the subterfuge. So I'm putting you on my ignore list, because I'd rather engage with people who I have at least some idea of who they are and their history at this forum, (unlike yourself, who clearly has a history you do not wish to disclose).
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I find Godfrey's posting style highly personal, aggressive and antagonistic towards others, so much so that (not having realised he is a moderator) I tried to click "ignore".

I rarely contribute posts to RFF, simply because I see so many apparently innocuous questions being railroaded off topic, or because of the aggression and rudeness on display. It frankly amazes me when I see posters commenting on what a civil and helpful forum it is. My "ignore list" while not very long, is longer here than at any other forum.

FWIW, I think the forum could be more heavily moderated to address rudeness and aggression. But I also think moderators should be aware of the need for humility in positions of power.
I've never added anybody to my ignore list on this forum. Indeed I would say the forum is normally very civil - the only angst I've really seen is from people nitpicking whether so and so is polite enough, and in the past some heavy handed moderation that seemed to be influenced by personal opinion more than a need to keep discussion on track.

I do think though that a common problem with moderators (and especially new ones) is some feel the need to prove their worth by looking for something to moderate, even if it's not necessary. Which is another reason I believe the moderators should try to do as little as possible. If one gets in the mindset of trying to micromanage threads, slapping everybody who uses an impolite word, or thinking they're not being annoying by constantly threatening to close a thread if it goes off topic - that can wear out your welcome as a mod real quick. In fact more often than not it only upsets people and causes them to push back, ruining the thread by way of a sort of self fulfilling prophecy.

I think you want to be as hands off as possible. You're only there to save the day when you have to. Like a driving instructor, just because your side of the car has a steering wheel - doesn't mean you drive your student around the whole time - it's only there so you can swerve to miss the tree!
 

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george = godfrey?

this running snipe firefight is so strange. seems to be expanding to an intercontinental war.

what a shame ...
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